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Re: Quins vs Bath

Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2018 4:25 pm
by Scrumhead
Good lord, our defence is just woeful today

Re: Quins vs Bath

Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2018 4:27 pm
by twitchy
Brilliant footwork.

Re: Quins vs Bath

Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2018 4:45 pm
by Which Tyler
Surely it's only not allowed if Brew initiates contact with Earle. He's allowed to run. Wherever he likes.

Which I don't see happening btw - though I do see the opposite as a nothingness

Re: Quins vs Bath

Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2018 4:46 pm
by Mikey Brown
Wow. The ref is considering making a call in our favour? Not that it matters remotely anymore. Brew is quite clearly blocking.

Re: Quins vs Bath

Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2018 4:47 pm
by Which Tyler
Mikey Brown wrote:Wow. The ref is considering making a call in our favour? Not that it matters remotely anymore. Brew is quite clearly blocking.
Course he is, but he's allowed to - though Carley disagrees. I think he's outright wrong

Re: Quins vs Bath

Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2018 4:48 pm
by Mikey Brown
This is painful. What a disappointing second half.

Re: Quins vs Bath

Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2018 4:48 pm
by Renniks
Sorry, that's ridiculous…

Re: Quins vs Bath

Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2018 4:51 pm
by Mikey Brown
I can see why it’s a bit of a grey area. But if you’re obviously not making any kind of attempt to support your team I don’t see how you can argue it’s anything other than obstruction?

If you were the dummy runner on a screen pass behind and you were fannying around like that blocking defenders nobody would question penalising it.

Re: Quins vs Bath

Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2018 4:52 pm
by Scrumhead
Mikey Brown wrote:This is painful. What a disappointing second half.
That try doesn’t gloss over the fact that we’ve been absolutely awful in the second half.

Re: Quins vs Bath

Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2018 4:53 pm
by Renniks
If you're behind the ball, you're behind the ball though…
You're viable for a pass and can run however you want…

Re: Quins vs Bath

Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2018 4:53 pm
by Which Tyler
No-one is arguing that it's anything other than obstruction. I argue that it's legal obstruction.

Re: Quins vs Bath

Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2018 4:54 pm
by Mikey Brown
No. I’m not sure why the crowd are so excited to be honest. It’s been dreadful. If somehow we get a bonus point then fair enough.

Re: Quins vs Bath

Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2018 4:54 pm
by Mikey Brown
Renniks wrote:If you're behind the ball, you're behind the ball though…
You're viable for a pass and can run however you want…
Even if there isn’t any pretence you’re even trying to get in a position to get the ball? ie. looking the wrong way and swerving all over the place?

Re: Quins vs Bath

Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2018 4:56 pm
by Which Tyler
Mikey Brown wrote:
Renniks wrote:If you're behind the ball, you're behind the ball though…
You're viable for a pass and can run however you want…
Even if there isn’t any pretence you’re even trying to get in a position to get the ball? ie. looking the wrong way and swerving all over the place?
I fail to see why it matters.
Which law do we need to look up?



ETA: OK, looks like I'm wrong
https://laws.worldrugby.org/?law=9&language=EN
9.3 A player must not intentionally prevent an opponent from tackling or attempting to tackle the ball-carrier.

Re: Quins vs Bath

Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2018 5:00 pm
by Renniks
Law 9: Foul play

9.2 An offside player must not intentionally obstruct an opponent or interfere with play.
9.3 A player must not intentionally prevent an opponent from tackling or attempting to tackle the ball-carrier.



9.2 isn't an issue, he was onside
9.3 is down to some interpretation, but for me, he wasn't preventing an opponent tackling / attempting to tackle - he was preventing him reaching the player from an onside position

Re: Quins vs Bath

Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2018 5:03 pm
by Mikey Brown
Which Tyler wrote:
Mikey Brown wrote:
Renniks wrote:If you're behind the ball, you're behind the ball though…
You're viable for a pass and can run however you want…
Even if there isn’t any pretence you’re even trying to get in a position to get the ball? ie. looking the wrong way and swerving all over the place?
I fail to see why it matters.
Which law do we need to look up?



ETA: OK, looks like I'm wrong
https://laws.worldrugby.org/?law=9&language=EN
9.3 A player must not intentionally prevent an opponent from tackling or attempting to tackle the ball-carrier.
Yeah. Seems clear enough to me. Otherwise there would be literally no action Earle can take to attempt a tackle.

What a ridiculous ending this is.

Re: Quins vs Bath

Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2018 5:04 pm
by Which Tyler
Still feels like it was just clever play, but by the laws, it looks like he should have positioned himself to take the pass and score the try

Re: Quins vs Bath

Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2018 5:05 pm
by Mikey Brown
Deserved win. Cokanisiga stands up to Bothma at full tilt right at the end there.

For what it’s worth I think Brewery would have had a case if he’d actually kept running.

Re: Quins vs Bath

Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2018 5:07 pm
by Scrumhead
Really disappointed by that performance ... OK start, better ending inexcusably crap for the entire middle period of the game. 2 points is actually a decent return all things considered.

Codling has got lots of work to do on our lineout. It’s not his fault none of hookers can throw very well, but we don’t seem to be very clued up when it comes to defending.

Re: Quins vs Bath

Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2018 5:53 pm
by Timbo
I R Geech wrote:
fivepointer wrote:This week Bath are going to click and dish out a real hammering.....or maybe not.

The Earle -Cokansiga match up should be one to watch.
This has the makings of a cripple fight.
Early stats have it at around 30 carries for 300 metres between the pair of them. Athletic cripples.

Re: Quins vs Bath

Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2018 6:46 pm
by Mellsblue
Didn’t have chance to watch. Who were you all salivating over? Mercer?

Re: Quins vs Bath

Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2018 6:49 pm
by twitchy
Loads of good bath performances all over the pitch.

Re: Quins vs Bath

Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2018 6:55 pm
by Beasties
Mercer went well, the game nosedived after he went off. Cockamasiga's a bit like Ben Cohen, a bit numb but strangely effective.

Re: Quins vs Bath

Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2018 7:03 pm
by twitchy
If he can get that off loading game going and he can keep finishing like that he will great. He just needs more experience and coaching to improve his decision making. I wouldn't rush him for england.

Re: Quins vs Bath

Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2018 7:07 pm
by Mellsblue
Much as it pains me to ask.....has he bulked up over the summer?