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Re: England v NZ - ratings

Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2018 2:02 pm
by Timbo
Peat wrote:
Mellsblue wrote:
Peat wrote:
I thought that's been our game plan since Jones got here tbh. Easier to disguise it when the pack is being good enough I guess - that and the backs are being genuinely clinical.

I'm not hugely fond of it but I'm not sure what we've got that makes a different plan better. At least this has "be clinical when sheer weight of pressure creates gaps out wide" instead of "wear them down up front until the fatties rumble over".
With a Ford - Farrell combo there was at least a nod to getting it wide and there was intent shown to back that, not too often admittedly. There hasn’t even been a hint of getting Slade on the ball in space out wide from what I can remember.
I think Jones always wanted a more expansive game than what we’ve seen in the past couple of games. It now seems he’s given up on that completely.
Can't argue with that. And you've hit it with the first few words. Ford has been the key to that nod at getting it wide, to that clinical attack and occasional bits of expansive play. Remove Ford and, well, behold.

So yeah. Maybe this means the plan has got even narrower. I don't like wishing injury on players, but my gods we'd be lucky to get that one particular one...
Since Ford got dropped we’ve played 2 games in the freezing cold pissing rain, and the other we got smashed up front by SA for 40 minutes and had zero decent ball (in the 2nd half we got parity and played some decent stuff).

Re: England v NZ - ratings

Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2018 2:52 pm
by Peat
Timbo wrote:
Peat wrote:
Mellsblue wrote: With a Ford - Farrell combo there was at least a nod to getting it wide and there was intent shown to back that, not too often admittedly. There hasn’t even been a hint of getting Slade on the ball in space out wide from what I can remember.
I think Jones always wanted a more expansive game than what we’ve seen in the past couple of games. It now seems he’s given up on that completely.
Can't argue with that. And you've hit it with the first few words. Ford has been the key to that nod at getting it wide, to that clinical attack and occasional bits of expansive play. Remove Ford and, well, behold.

So yeah. Maybe this means the plan has got even narrower. I don't like wishing injury on players, but my gods we'd be lucky to get that one particular one...
Since Ford got dropped we’ve played 2 games in the freezing cold pissing rain, and the other we got smashed up front by SA for 40 minutes and had zero decent ball (in the 2nd half we got parity and played some decent stuff).
The stark difference between our point scoring potential with Ford and Farrell at 10 pre-dates these last two games.