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I wonder if the shift to FB in the summer has led to him losing confidence? He doesnt want to play there and hasnt done so for club, while his England performances have been unconvincing. Sometimes messing with a player can have a very negative effect.
Situation at Wasps clearly isnt helping of course and he was below par again today.

Yeah, that says about stag do… Launchbury was at the wedding (I assume with the others)

Renniks wrote:Yeah, that says about stag do… Launchbury was at the wedding (I assume with the others)

I did originally say ‘wedding OR stag-do’ as I couldn’t remember precisely which.

Well. Cov is a shit hole and who the f**k would want to train at Brodstreet?

richy678 wrote:Well. Cov is a shit hole and who the f**k would want to train at Brodstreet?

These lads are supposed to be hard-nosed rugby players, not whinging, powder puff, prima donna footballer ponces.

When I were a lad we played in t'pitch dark, near t'slag heap, beside t'whippet track, on a pitch of cinders/broken glass/barbed wire and dog shiit; and wi-out boots or jockstraps. Then we cracked t'ice at t' municipal sewage treatment plant for a good refreshing wash wi a copper mesh pot scrubber, spat out our broken teeth, sewed opp our cuts wi baler twine and three inch nails, and walked 20 miles home, uphill, in a blizzard, only to get a good thrashing from our dad and locked out if we'd lost.
And plenty among us as regarded all that as pure blooody luxury.

Spiffy wrote:

richy678 wrote:Well. Cov is a shit hole and who the f**k would want to train at Brodstreet?

These lads are supposed to be hard-nosed rugby players, not whinging, powder puff, prima donna footballer ponces.

When I were a lad we played in t'pitch dark, near t'slag heap, beside t'whippet track, on a pitch of cinders/broken glass/barbed wire and dog shiit; and wi-out boots or jockstraps. Then we cracked t'ice at t' municipal sewage treatment plant for a good refreshing wash wi a copper mesh pot scrubber, spat out our broken teeth, sewed opp our cuts wi baler twine and three inch nails, and walked 20 miles home, uphill, in a blizzard, only to get a good thrashing from our dad and locked out if we'd lost.
And plenty among us as regarded all that as pure blooody luxury.

It truly is grim up north.

Puja

Puja wrote:

Spiffy wrote:

richy678 wrote:Well. Cov is a shit hole and who the f**k would want to train at Brodstreet?

These lads are supposed to be hard-nosed rugby players, not whinging, powder puff, prima donna footballer ponces.

When I were a lad we played in t'pitch dark, near t'slag heap, beside t'whippet track, on a pitch of cinders/broken glass/barbed wire and dog shiit; and wi-out boots or jockstraps. Then we cracked t'ice at t' municipal sewage treatment plant for a good refreshing wash wi a copper mesh pot scrubber, spat out our broken teeth, sewed opp our cuts wi baler twine and three inch nails, and walked 20 miles home, uphill, in a blizzard, only to get a good thrashing from our dad and locked out if we'd lost.
And plenty among us as regarded all that as pure blooody luxury.

It truly is grim up north.

Puja

Eeeee bah gooom, ekky thoomp, ye daft ha'porth, nay lad. This were in Surrey.

Puja wrote:

Peej wrote:I think most Wasps fans seem resigned to Daly leaving. He's been dreadful for us most of the season, trying too hard to force it and letting his frustrations boil over. He's a quality player, but in all honesty he needs to pull his finger out and start showing it or he'll lose his England spot given Brown's recall and Nowell's good form.

It's a bit of a weird signing for Sarries though. He's not a better winger than Williams or Maitland (or maybe even Lewington), not a better full back than Goode.

I'd say he's easily a better winger than Maitland or Lewington and probably better than Williams. If you think about how he was playing before he was put to full-back, he was in the World XVs of several sensible people.

He's not a good international 15, but provides cover there and centre as well. He'd be an asset to just about any side in the Premiership, as long as they were signing him as a winger and not a full-back.

Puja

He provides more than cover at centre, it's there where he made his name and excelled for many, many years for Wasps. Totally agree, he has only played to a world class level on the wing for England, but on the basis of his Wasps career, I suspect he would do at OC, which fundamentally has been his role for most of his career.

TheDasher wrote:

Puja wrote:

Peej wrote:I think most Wasps fans seem resigned to Daly leaving. He's been dreadful for us most of the season, trying too hard to force it and letting his frustrations boil over. He's a quality player, but in all honesty he needs to pull his finger out and start showing it or he'll lose his England spot given Brown's recall and Nowell's good form.

It's a bit of a weird signing for Sarries though. He's not a better winger than Williams or Maitland (or maybe even Lewington), not a better full back than Goode.

I'd say he's easily a better winger than Maitland or Lewington and probably better than Williams. If you think about how he was playing before he was put to full-back, he was in the World XVs of several sensible people.

He's not a good international 15, but provides cover there and centre as well. He'd be an asset to just about any side in the Premiership, as long as they were signing him as a winger and not a full-back.

Puja

He provides more than cover at centre, it's there where he made his name and excelled for many, many years for Wasps. Totally agree, he has only played to a world class level on the wing for England, but on the basis of his Wasps career, I suspect he would do at OC, which fundamentally has been his role for most of his career.

I've never been a massive fan of Daly at centre (although I was also dubious he'd make it on the wing, so look what I know) and I'm not sure Sarries would accept his defence there. Maybe they'll improve him though?

Puja

Any chance Lozowski is going to be up for grabs? I just can’t see how they need all those outside backs. They don’t seem to view Lozowski as a fly-half at all, or at least is less of a fly-half than Alex Goode. I suppose he is next in line when Barritt is out, but appears to now be behind Tompkins, Lewington, Maitland, Williams and Goode for a starting spot. Daly surely can’t help that. I think someone said Bosch and Strettle are off/retiring, but that’s still a lot of competition.

Puja wrote:

TheDasher wrote:

Puja wrote:
I'd say he's easily a better winger than Maitland or Lewington and probably better than Williams. If you think about how he was playing before he was put to full-back, he was in the World XVs of several sensible people.

He's not a good international 15, but provides cover there and centre as well. He'd be an asset to just about any side in the Premiership, as long as they were signing him as a winger and not a full-back.

Puja

He provides more than cover at centre, it's there where he made his name and excelled for many, many years for Wasps. Totally agree, he has only played to a world class level on the wing for England, but on the basis of his Wasps career, I suspect he would do at OC, which fundamentally has been his role for most of his career.

I've never been a massive fan of Daly at centre (although I was also dubious he'd make it on the wing, so look what I know) and I'm not sure Sarries would accept his defence there. Maybe they'll improve him though?

Puja

I think his defence generally has improved with age. He's a big unit now than he was, and certainly more physical. That pace also means nobody runs round him at centre. Like you, I've got him wrong before as I thought he'd immediately excel at FB, which he hasn't.

Much as I'd like to have younger, more progressive options, I suspect Mike Brown is the best English full back. I hope Eddie picks him there for the 6ns and he does well right through to the end of the world cup and we worry about the next guy after that point. Daly is certainly a good enough reserve FB should Brown get crocked.

When he was first seriously moved to FB for Wasps he really did run some wonderfully cutting lines, slicing straight through the defence. As amazing a player he can be physically, it does feel like there are small bits of polish that his game never got.

He's never been much of a distributor, he's functional but he's not a WLR type.

TheDasher wrote:

Puja wrote:

TheDasher wrote:
He provides more than cover at centre, it's there where he made his name and excelled for many, many years for Wasps. Totally agree, he has only played to a world class level on the wing for England, but on the basis of his Wasps career, I suspect he would do at OC, which fundamentally has been his role for most of his career.

I've never been a massive fan of Daly at centre (although I was also dubious he'd make it on the wing, so look what I know) and I'm not sure Sarries would accept his defence there. Maybe they'll improve him though?

Puja

I think his defence generally has improved with age. He's a big unit now than he was, and certainly more physical. That pace also means nobody runs round him at centre. Like you, I've got him wrong before as I thought he'd immediately excel at FB, which he hasn't.

Much as I'd like to have younger, more progressive options, I suspect Mike Brown is the best English full back. I hope Eddie picks him there for the 6ns and he does well right through to the end of the world cup and we worry about the next guy after that point. Daly is certainly a good enough reserve FB should Brown get crocked.

It's not so much his physicality that bugs me in defence, as it is his attention span and ability to pick the right runner. I've seen him leave a good few holes or have his tackle broken because he's committed to it too late. He's less exposed on the wing.

Puja

Daly isn't helped when people look at his defence by being compared with JJ, not when JJ can make defending between Farrell and May look easy

The more interesting comparison in defence, if JJ isn't available, would be with Te'o and Manu where Daly compares much more favourably

Puja wrote:

TheDasher wrote:

Puja wrote:
I've never been a massive fan of Daly at centre (although I was also dubious he'd make it on the wing, so look what I know) and I'm not sure Sarries would accept his defence there. Maybe they'll improve him though?

Puja

I think his defence generally has improved with age. He's a big unit now than he was, and certainly more physical. That pace also means nobody runs round him at centre. Like you, I've got him wrong before as I thought he'd immediately excel at FB, which he hasn't.

Much as I'd like to have younger, more progressive options, I suspect Mike Brown is the best English full back. I hope Eddie picks him there for the 6ns and he does well right through to the end of the world cup and we worry about the next guy after that point. Daly is certainly a good enough reserve FB should Brown get crocked.

It's not so much his physicality that bugs me in defence, as it is his attention span and ability to pick the right runner. I've seen him leave a good few holes or have his tackle broken because he's committed to it too late. He's less exposed on the wing.

Puja

I’ve said this a bunch of times but he just seems to innately ‘get’ the defensive positioning when out on the wing, even if he has relatively little top level experience of it. Almost the opposite of Anthony Watson. Some players just click in a certain position, and I agree he’s looked positionally ropey at centre.

Digby wrote:Daly isn't helped when people look at his defence by being compared with JJ, not when JJ can make defending between Farrell and May look easy

The more interesting comparison in defence, if JJ isn't available, would be with Te'o and Manu where Daly compares much more favourably

Good point - Manu's hardly a defensive rock with his positioning and decision-making of late, although how much of that is due to Leicester, I don't know.

Puja

Puja wrote:

TheDasher wrote:

Puja wrote:
I've never been a massive fan of Daly at centre (although I was also dubious he'd make it on the wing, so look what I know) and I'm not sure Sarries would accept his defence there. Maybe they'll improve him though?

Puja

I think his defence generally has improved with age. He's a big unit now than he was, and certainly more physical. That pace also means nobody runs round him at centre. Like you, I've got him wrong before as I thought he'd immediately excel at FB, which he hasn't.

Much as I'd like to have younger, more progressive options, I suspect Mike Brown is the best English full back. I hope Eddie picks him there for the 6ns and he does well right through to the end of the world cup and we worry about the next guy after that point. Daly is certainly a good enough reserve FB should Brown get crocked.

It's not so much his physicality that bugs me in defence, as it is his attention span and ability to pick the right runner. I've seen him leave a good few holes or have his tackle broken because he's committed to it too late. He's less exposed on the wing.

Puja

Agreed, he just seems to doubt himself a touch at 13, means he can often get beaten by a late step or change in running line. I recall Marchant, who is obviously not the biggest guy, giving him all sorts of issues a few times.

Whereas at wing he he seems much more assured which allows him to bring his good athleticism and physicality to bare.

Spiffy wrote:

richy678 wrote:Well. Cov is a shit hole and who the f**k would want to train at Brodstreet?

These lads are supposed to be hard-nosed rugby players, not whinging, powder puff, prima donna footballer ponces.

When I were a lad we played in t'pitch dark, near t'slag heap, beside t'whippet track, on a pitch of cinders/broken glass/barbed wire and dog shiit; and wi-out boots or jockstraps. Then we cracked t'ice at t' municipal sewage treatment plant for a good refreshing wash wi a copper mesh pot scrubber, spat out our broken teeth, sewed opp our cuts wi baler twine and three inch nails, and walked 20 miles home, uphill, in a blizzard, only to get a good thrashing from our dad and locked out if we'd lost.
And plenty among us as regarded all that as pure blooody luxury.

Nought more hard-nosed than telling your club that if they try to walk over you, you'll just walk off