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Re: U20 JWC Squad
Posted: Fri May 31, 2019 8:39 am
by Banquo
Mellsblue wrote:Dingwall named as capt.
Excellent, his dad will likely fly out there now! He wasn't sure if he'd even be playing given the injury.
Re: U20 JWC Squad
Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2019 12:30 pm
by Mellsblue
Re: U20 JWC Squad
Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2019 12:52 pm
by Puja
Mellsblue wrote:
That is a good side. Hopeful about this tournament.
Since when can the U20s have 13 subs?
Puja
Re: U20 JWC Squad
Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2019 1:29 pm
by Raggs
Apparently it's 8 subs from the full squad.
Re: U20 JWC Squad
Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2019 1:30 pm
by Tigersman
Very good team.
1 concern is i'm not sold on Manu Vunipola.
Re: U20 JWC Squad
Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2019 3:12 pm
by Scrumhead
Me too. Looks to be one of the weaker links in an otherwise strong side.
Re: U20 JWC Squad
Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2019 4:28 pm
by Puja
What's the next option at 10? Is it a choice between Redpath or De Glanville?
Puja
Re: U20 JWC Squad
Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2019 5:05 pm
by twitchy
Does smith re join the squad now?
Re: U20 JWC Squad
Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2019 5:09 pm
by Puja
twitchy wrote:Does smith re join the squad now?
No - he withdrew to play in the Barbarians game. In terms of impressing Eddie, it looks to have been the right choice, and could see him in the frame if there was an injury or two.
Puja
Re: U20 JWC Squad
Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2019 5:59 pm
by Timbo
I take it that young Sale flyhalf is injured then? Manu vunipola seems highly rated at Sarries, which is enough for me to think he must be very handy.
For some reason I can see this years team flopping. No particular reason, and it’s clearly another talented squad, just feels like they’re in a tough group....and we’ve got to have a poor year at some point.
Re: U20 JWC Squad
Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2019 6:16 pm
by Scrumhead
I assume you mean Kieran Wilkinson? I think he might be too old now?
Obviously Smith would have made this squad a lot stronger, but as Puja said, his performance yesterday justifies him prioritising the Barbarians game over the JWC.
I don’t see the team ‘flopping’. The back row is excellent for this level, which will make a big difference, the centres are a top quality pairing too who have a rapid, skilful back three outside them. We should do well.
Re: U20 JWC Squad
Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2019 6:54 pm
by fivepointer
Surprised Hardwick wasnt called up. He must be injured.
Vunipola looks OK to me. He's not in the same class as Smith but at U20 level he should be just fine.
Really good looking pack even without Marcus Street.
Incredibly tough opening game. Italy are no mugs and Australia are good this year. We'll do very well to top the pool.
Re: U20 JWC Squad
Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2019 7:23 pm
by Scrumhead
True. Ireland are missing a few key players though.
Italy have definitely improved at this level in recent years and I’d actually be pleased to seem bit of life in Australian rugby.
Re: U20 JWC Squad
Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2019 9:11 pm
by Timbo
Scrumhead wrote:I assume you mean Kieran Wilkinson? I think he might be too old now?
Obviously Smith would have made this squad a lot stronger, but as Puja said, his performance yesterday justifies him prioritising the Barbarians game over the JWC.
I don’t see the team ‘flopping’. The back row is excellent for this level, which will make a big difference, the centres are a top quality pairing too who have a rapid, skilful back three outside them. We should do well.
I’m sure Wilkinson played in the u20 6N’s?
Yeah, I’m not suggesting there’s any logic to it, just a feeling. The squad is easily talented enough to go all the way to the final again, and I really like Sleighthome and Seabrook on the wings, both powerful and elusive.
Re: U20 JWC Squad
Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:26 am
by twitchy
Surely smith could have rejoined the squad after this fixture? He would make an enormous difference. We already have 3 top class FH's for the WC. I think we could really miss him.
Re: U20 JWC Squad
Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:06 pm
by Adam_P
Barbeary has copped a very stupid red card. Totally unnecessary
Re: U20 JWC Squad
Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:11 pm
by Tigersman
would be surprised if Barbeary plays again in the comp.
Re: U20 JWC Squad
Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:24 pm
by Timbo
Hmm...fair to say this U20 crop have been a massive disappointment.
Re: U20 JWC Squad
Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:30 pm
by fivepointer
I'm hopping mad with that.
2 ridiculously soft yellows, Barbeary's idiocy, brainless play close to our line, lost line outs and witless kicking.
The ref didnt help us, but Barbeary's was a straight red all day, while we contrived to put ourselves into trouble at regular intervals.
Whats really frustrating is that when we did manage to put the ball through hands we looked very good, scoring 3 neat tries.
Oh well, we can forget getting to the semi's unless something very unusual happens.
Re: U20 JWC Squad
Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:32 pm
by Scrumhead
Timbo wrote:Hmm...fair to say this U20 crop have been a massive disappointment.
After one game? That’s a little unfair.
Even excluding Barbeary’s ridiculous red card (him not the decision) our discipline was poor and cost us the game. We played nearly half the game with 14 men so it was always going to be tough. Otherwise, we looked far better than Ireland with ball in hand IMO scoring some nice tries and looked like we’d taken control of the game before Vunipola’s yellow.
Two of Ireland’s tries could easily have been disallowed too. The first for the grounding and another for a boot in touch.
We lost but we’re not a crap team.
Re: U20 JWC Squad
Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:43 pm
by Timbo
Scrumhead wrote:Timbo wrote:Hmm...fair to say this U20 crop have been a massive disappointment.
After one game? That’s a little unfair.
Even excluding Barbeary’s ridiculous red card (him not the decision) our discipline was poor and cost us the game. We played nearly half the game with 14 men so it was always going to be tough. Otherwise, we looked far better than Ireland with ball in hand IMO scoring some nice tries and looked like we’d taken control of the game before Vunipola’s yellow.
Two of Ireland’s tries could easily have been disallowed too. The first for the grounding and another for a boot in touch.
We lost but we’re not a crap team.
I was including the 6N’s in my assessment too, tbh. This is the 3rd game they’ve lost from 6 played. Set piece and discipline have been a problem throughout, and despite possessing obvious power they seem unable to bring it to bear in the tight.
There’s huge talent in this squad. Possibly unfair, but the spectre of useless Dean Ryan hangs over this group of players, the first he’s really had a chance to bring through.
Ref was terrible today too, tbf.
Re: U20 JWC Squad
Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2019 11:45 pm
by Galfon
Agreed Eng tries were well taken and Sleightholme,Seabrook & Redpath showed good skill & pace.Leads twice thrown away by poor concentration & ill discipline..but the dive at the ruck & whiffy grounding tries appeared hastily given, and the full-back falling onto Vunipola's shoulder to gain a high-tackle yellow seemed harsh.Barbeary's lunacy capped it all - Eng. still in it at that point.Ire's pack seemed hungrier.
Re: U20 JWC Squad
Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2019 7:17 am
by fivepointer
Timbo wrote:Scrumhead wrote:Timbo wrote:Hmm...fair to say this U20 crop have been a massive disappointment.
After one game? That’s a little unfair.
Even excluding Barbeary’s ridiculous red card (him not the decision) our discipline was poor and cost us the game. We played nearly half the game with 14 men so it was always going to be tough. Otherwise, we looked far better than Ireland with ball in hand IMO scoring some nice tries and looked like we’d taken control of the game before Vunipola’s yellow.
Two of Ireland’s tries could easily have been disallowed too. The first for the grounding and another for a boot in touch.
We lost but we’re not a crap team.
I was including the 6N’s in my assessment too, tbh. This is the 3rd game they’ve lost from 6 played. Set piece and discipline have been a problem throughout, and despite possessing obvious power they seem unable to bring it to bear in the tight.
There’s huge talent in this squad. Possibly unfair, but the spectre of useless Dean Ryan hangs over this group of players, the first he’s really had a chance to bring through.
Ref was terrible today too, tbf.
Its right to include the 6N's when we lost 2 games we could have won, and didnt play a convincing 80 minutes in the other games either. The veering between high quality excellence to error ridden naivety has been present throughout. Last night was a good illustration of what this team can produce, both the good and the bad.
There is talent in this group. Loads of it but putting together a totally convincing performance over 80 minutes has so far eluded them. They've got 4 games to do it.
Re: U20 JWC Squad
Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2019 7:26 am
by Doorzetbornandbred
Timbo wrote:Scrumhead wrote:Timbo wrote:Hmm...fair to say this U20 crop have been a massive disappointment.
After one game? That’s a little unfair.
Even excluding Barbeary’s ridiculous red card (him not the decision) our discipline was poor and cost us the game. We played nearly half the game with 14 men so it was always going to be tough. Otherwise, we looked far better than Ireland with ball in hand IMO scoring some nice tries and looked like we’d taken control of the game before Vunipola’s yellow.
Two of Ireland’s tries could easily have been disallowed too. The first for the grounding and another for a boot in touch.
We lost but we’re not a crap team.
I was including the 6N’s in my assessment too, tbh. This is the 3rd game they’ve lost from 6 played. Set piece and discipline have been a problem throughout, and despite possessing obvious power they seem unable to bring it to bear in the tight.
There’s huge talent in this squad.
Possibly unfair, but the spectre of useless Dean Ryan hangs over this group of players, the first he’s really had a chance to bring through.[glow]
Ref was terrible today too, tbf.
Good job the RFU sacked him(ok he jumped before he was pushed to retain some integrity) ironic it was a year to the day that he made his single biggest mistake sacking Fletch and Walts in a manner up there with the worst of all time.
Re: U20 JWC Squad
Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2019 7:30 am
by twitchy
Get smith on the plane.