Re: Minute-by-minute - England vs Italy
Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2019 12:27 am
Minute 60:
We don't ruck particularly well (although a pedant/Lee Dickson would complain to the ref that at least one of the two Italians that we need to clear their hands off can't be first man in) and the ball is slower coming back. Italy are miles offside every time though and the ref eventually gives one against them. Lucky too, as Youngs has just thrown a very iffy ball to Kvesic's feet.
We kick for touch.
Minute 61:
Solid lineout and we form a maul. Thankfully, LCD plays the ball away from the back quite quickly, as there are about three Italian players rolling round onto our side, having none of them changed their bind, despite two of them binding onto the third rather than an England player. It's like a human chain or a whip in roller derby. I hate that law with fire, although that's possibly because we as a team seem completely incapable of combatting it.
We play away and decide that, if we're going to pick a 19st winger, we may as well run him at fly-halves for the lols. Italy do quite well on the tackle, but England are now on the 5m line and with quick ball. That is until both LCD and Genge decide to do footwork rather than run straight and we end up with two messy rucks and slower possession. This leads to the trifecta of young talents being too cocky as Cokanasiga carries high and tries to offload over the top, only to get dump tackled by the Italian 14 and lose it forward.
Heinz is on for Youngs and I now feel qualified to answer Digger's question of
Minute 62:
Italy play away from the base - interesting to note that Wilson is at 8 and Kvesic is playing 7. I know those are natural positions for them and Wilson getting time at 8 pre RWC is useful, but there was speculation that Kevs was seen as a potential 8 option by Eddie, which isn't the case here. Anyway, I noted this because our Kev misses the tackle from the 8 pick - not the behaviour of the messiah. Farrell gets dragged back for a few metres until Wilson can come across to save him. Italy kick to touch.
Nice lineout ball off the top is spun out to Farrell running a hard line - he really is showing a good line in being a running threat himself from 12, rather than just a distributor. I mean, he's not Tuilagi, but he makes 3-4m past the tackle and draws in three players.
Minute 63:
England attack again, alternating runs off 9 and off 10 and we make ground up to the 22m line. Ford and Farrell are working very well together and Faz seems a lot more comfortable with the extra few seconds and the extra bit of space that standing at 12 gives him. Twice in quick succession we make good ground from Farrell showing a wide pass, looking like he's going himself and then popping a shoulder ball to Watson joining the line from full-back. And yet more ground from a lovely offload before the tackle by Lawes, whose hands are underrated. Unfortunately Ford makes his second mistake of the night to kill the momentum - he aims to pass to Sinckler, realised Italy are rushing up, changes his mind halfway through the pass, and ends up throwing it to the tiny invisible man running behind Sinckler. The ball bobbles up and ends up in Marchant's hands, who does a nice dance through traffic to get us up to the 5m line.
Minute 64:
Heinz has been good since coming on with some nice crisp passing, but this one's a stinker as it's fired directly at Ford's ear, forcing him to stop to catch it, and ruining the timing of Cokanasiga's outside running line. May and Curry continue the attack down the right and then the ball comes back left with another iffy pass from Heinz, this time at Sinckler's face. Sinckler goes again from a standing start, but it ends up with a slower ruck as we've not knocked Italy onto the back foot. We regenerate through LCD and then the ball goes wide.
I want to take this moment to illustrate the difference between Ford and Farrell at 10. Earlier in the game, this was Farrell making a right-to-left pass at the gainline:

And here's Ford doing the same:

Quite apart from Ford being at least 2 metres closer to the defensive line before starting to pass, look at the position of their feet. Farrell is always passing to Lawes. He's committed to it and it's glaringly obvious - if I had the energy to make gifs, then you could see Italy just press up on him with no thought required. If I had to guess with the Ford picture, I'd say it's going to Wilson, but it could just as easily be that he runs himself or that he passes behind Wilson to Farrell (who is out of frame). The defence are scared cause they don't know where the threat is coming from and that's what's keeping them backing off. We aren't half the team without Ford at 10.
As it happens, Ford does go behind Wilson to find Farrell, who tries to run to the outside to draw the last defender, but is felled by an excellent tackle round his ankles and his offload for May to cross is well forwards. In retrospect, if he passes immediately, then Marchant is scoring from a short line, but it would need to have been an instant pass for it not to have been forward and Fazlet's plan would've worked too if it wasn't such an excellent tackle by the Italian winger.
We don't ruck particularly well (although a pedant/Lee Dickson would complain to the ref that at least one of the two Italians that we need to clear their hands off can't be first man in) and the ball is slower coming back. Italy are miles offside every time though and the ref eventually gives one against them. Lucky too, as Youngs has just thrown a very iffy ball to Kvesic's feet.
We kick for touch.
Minute 61:
Solid lineout and we form a maul. Thankfully, LCD plays the ball away from the back quite quickly, as there are about three Italian players rolling round onto our side, having none of them changed their bind, despite two of them binding onto the third rather than an England player. It's like a human chain or a whip in roller derby. I hate that law with fire, although that's possibly because we as a team seem completely incapable of combatting it.
We play away and decide that, if we're going to pick a 19st winger, we may as well run him at fly-halves for the lols. Italy do quite well on the tackle, but England are now on the 5m line and with quick ball. That is until both LCD and Genge decide to do footwork rather than run straight and we end up with two messy rucks and slower possession. This leads to the trifecta of young talents being too cocky as Cokanasiga carries high and tries to offload over the top, only to get dump tackled by the Italian 14 and lose it forward.
Heinz is on for Youngs and I now feel qualified to answer Digger's question of
He was generally good, only one error, and provided good service for the forwards running off 9 game that we've got going at the moment. Nice to see him tapping and going, although only one was actively a good decision. Needed to run harder to get to some breakdowns and was maybe a bit tired from tough training earlier in the week. Overall good, but not MotM, no matter what Barnes said. From memory, I'd've given it to May and so far in this rewatch I haven't seen anything to change my mind.Digby wrote:Was Ben Youngs actually pretty decent, bar Italy put precious little pressure on him?
Minute 62:
Italy play away from the base - interesting to note that Wilson is at 8 and Kvesic is playing 7. I know those are natural positions for them and Wilson getting time at 8 pre RWC is useful, but there was speculation that Kevs was seen as a potential 8 option by Eddie, which isn't the case here. Anyway, I noted this because our Kev misses the tackle from the 8 pick - not the behaviour of the messiah. Farrell gets dragged back for a few metres until Wilson can come across to save him. Italy kick to touch.
Nice lineout ball off the top is spun out to Farrell running a hard line - he really is showing a good line in being a running threat himself from 12, rather than just a distributor. I mean, he's not Tuilagi, but he makes 3-4m past the tackle and draws in three players.
Minute 63:
England attack again, alternating runs off 9 and off 10 and we make ground up to the 22m line. Ford and Farrell are working very well together and Faz seems a lot more comfortable with the extra few seconds and the extra bit of space that standing at 12 gives him. Twice in quick succession we make good ground from Farrell showing a wide pass, looking like he's going himself and then popping a shoulder ball to Watson joining the line from full-back. And yet more ground from a lovely offload before the tackle by Lawes, whose hands are underrated. Unfortunately Ford makes his second mistake of the night to kill the momentum - he aims to pass to Sinckler, realised Italy are rushing up, changes his mind halfway through the pass, and ends up throwing it to the tiny invisible man running behind Sinckler. The ball bobbles up and ends up in Marchant's hands, who does a nice dance through traffic to get us up to the 5m line.
Minute 64:
Heinz has been good since coming on with some nice crisp passing, but this one's a stinker as it's fired directly at Ford's ear, forcing him to stop to catch it, and ruining the timing of Cokanasiga's outside running line. May and Curry continue the attack down the right and then the ball comes back left with another iffy pass from Heinz, this time at Sinckler's face. Sinckler goes again from a standing start, but it ends up with a slower ruck as we've not knocked Italy onto the back foot. We regenerate through LCD and then the ball goes wide.
I want to take this moment to illustrate the difference between Ford and Farrell at 10. Earlier in the game, this was Farrell making a right-to-left pass at the gainline:

And here's Ford doing the same:

Quite apart from Ford being at least 2 metres closer to the defensive line before starting to pass, look at the position of their feet. Farrell is always passing to Lawes. He's committed to it and it's glaringly obvious - if I had the energy to make gifs, then you could see Italy just press up on him with no thought required. If I had to guess with the Ford picture, I'd say it's going to Wilson, but it could just as easily be that he runs himself or that he passes behind Wilson to Farrell (who is out of frame). The defence are scared cause they don't know where the threat is coming from and that's what's keeping them backing off. We aren't half the team without Ford at 10.
As it happens, Ford does go behind Wilson to find Farrell, who tries to run to the outside to draw the last defender, but is felled by an excellent tackle round his ankles and his offload for May to cross is well forwards. In retrospect, if he passes immediately, then Marchant is scoring from a short line, but it would need to have been an instant pass for it not to have been forward and Fazlet's plan would've worked too if it wasn't such an excellent tackle by the Italian winger.