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Ah come on lads, getting knocked out by the weather.... it’s like God has asked himself “what’s the most Scottish thing ever?”

Just think of the torn faced greeting we can spend a full FOUR YEARS indulging ourselves in. Frikin YES!!! I for one am looking forward to it. We’d only be getting humped in the quarters anyway.

Donny osmond wrote:Ah come on lads, getting knocked out by the weather.... it’s like God has asked himself “what’s the most Scottish thing ever?”

Just think of the torn faced greeting we can spend a full FOUR YEARS indulging ourselves in. Frikin YES!!! I for one am looking forward to it. We’d only be getting humped in the quarters anyway.

You really are the personification of the Scottish cringe, aren’t you.

It's basically a Divine Wind situation.

Must say, I think its outrageous. I think the world cup loses credibility and validity. It's a huge shame but I think I'd rather they cancel the tournament

Yeah, was dreading the kamikaze haggis headlines.

On a more serious note, the head coaches of NZ, Italy and England all have a point when they say everyone knew this could happen and it's up to the teams to prepare for it in the best way possible...

Rugby World Cup: 'Scotland will be to blame if knocked out by typhoon' - Eddie Jones
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/50008474

Stones of granite wrote:

Donny osmond wrote:Ah come on lads, getting knocked out by the weather.... it’s like God has asked himself “what’s the most Scottish thing ever?”

Just think of the torn faced greeting we can spend a full FOUR YEARS indulging ourselves in. Frikin YES!!! I for one am looking forward to it. We’d only be getting humped in the quarters anyway.

You really are the personification of the Scottish cringe, aren’t you.

apparently I am to the "scottish cringe" what you are to a humour-less old roaster

Interesting. Click on post and it should take you to a thread.

Donny osmond wrote:On a more serious note, the head coaches of NZ, Italy and England all have a point when they say everyone knew this could happen and it's up to the teams to prepare for it in the best way possible...

Rugby World Cup: 'Scotland will be to blame if knocked out by typhoon' - Eddie Jones
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/50008474

What preparation does he mean? Win all your matches? We should have thought of that one.

Pity we had our hardest game first up rather than last.

Brian Moore sums it up perfectly - world rugby have taken the view that no solution is ideal so they would pick the easiest one from their point of view. Townsend is right that even if the matches were played on a training pitch somewhere and not even televised that is better than cancelling. If WR think otherwise they have their priorities massively wrong

Genuine question on weather forecasts. Do they not take into account extreme events? The worst I can find for Tokyo and Yokohama in the normal forecasts for the next three days are "moderate breezes"

So get this, for the QFs and SFs, there is a 2 day window to reschedule matches due to weather. If this can't be done, then the first tie-break criteria is...."The Team with the most Match points from the pool phase."

Seems a bit unfair to those teams that had a deemed draw in the Pool Phase. As matters stand, this would see definitely England, probably Wales, and maybe Japan prevail over the All Blacks should they be slated to meet in the play-offs but be typhooned off. (This rule doesn't apply to the Final, it seems - that goes to over-all tournament PD (again, a potential disadvantage to those that only played 3 pool matches).

World Rugby has said, "We looked at a whole range of prepared contingencies for the weekend's matches. However, as outlined yesterday, it was impossible to provide a consistent and fair approach to all teams across the tournament that could guarantee safety, venue integrity or transport networks owing to the sheer scale of a super typhoon with a diameter of 1,400km."

I reckon they would do themselves a favour if they published the details of those contingencies and explain why they were rejected. The general view seems to be that WR were not prepared with any contingency plans at all.

Donny osmond wrote:

Stones of granite wrote:

Donny osmond wrote:Ah come on lads, getting knocked out by the weather.... it’s like God has asked himself “what’s the most Scottish thing ever?”

Just think of the torn faced greeting we can spend a full FOUR YEARS indulging ourselves in. Frikin YES!!! I for one am looking forward to it. We’d only be getting humped in the quarters anyway.

You really are the personification of the Scottish cringe, aren’t you.

apparently I am to the "scottish cringe" what you are to a humour-less old roaster

I bet you’re a fucking hoot at parties, with your massive sense of humour.

Donny osmond wrote:On a more serious note, the head coaches of NZ, Italy and England all have a point when they say everyone knew this could happen and it's up to the teams to prepare for it in the best way possible...

Rugby World Cup: 'Scotland will be to blame if knocked out by typhoon' - Eddie Jones
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/50008474

What else is Eddie Jones going to say? He is very much a Japanophile, and the situation is a great one for England, even if the fans get shafted.

Cameo wrote:Brian Moore sums it up perfectly - world rugby have taken the view that no solution is ideal so they would pick the easiest one from their point of view. Townsend is right that even if the matches were played on a training pitch somewhere and not even televised that is better than cancelling. If WR think otherwise they have their priorities massively wrong

Lizard wrote:I reckon they would do themselves a favour if they published the details of those contingencies and explain why they were rejected. The general view seems to be that WR were not prepared with any contingency plans at all.

Cameo wrote:

Donny osmond wrote:On a more serious note, the head coaches of NZ, Italy and England all have a point when they say everyone knew this could happen and it's up to the teams to prepare for it in the best way possible...

Rugby World Cup: 'Scotland will be to blame if knocked out by typhoon' - Eddie Jones
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/50008474

What preparation does he mean? Win all your matches? We should have thought of that one.

Pity we had our hardest game first up rather than last.

Brian Moore sums it up perfectly - world rugby have taken the view that no solution is ideal so they would pick the easiest one from their point of view. Townsend is right that even if the matches were played on a training pitch somewhere and not even televised that is better than cancelling. If WR think otherwise they have their priorities massively wrong

I guess he means that, if the game is cancelled and Japan and Ireland are the ones to go thru, based on the evidence we have seen so far it’s hard to say that anyone else in the group would deserve it more.

Btw I agree completely with BM, an you, it ridiculous that plans don’t include moving or rescheduling games. But those are the plans that we signed up to, and our players knew that when they refused point blank to show up for the game against Ireland.

Stones of granite wrote:

Donny osmond wrote:

Stones of granite wrote: You really are the personification of the Scottish cringe, aren’t you.

apparently I am to the "scottish cringe" what you are to a humour-less old roaster

I bet you’re a fucking hoot at parties, with your massive sense of humour.

I wouldn’t go that far, but then the people at most parties I’ve been to don’t have their panties quite so bunched up as the SMB seems to right now. Over something that hasn’t actually happened yet.

Stones of granite wrote:

Donny osmond wrote:On a more serious note, the head coaches of NZ, Italy and England all have a point when they say everyone knew this could happen and it's up to the teams to prepare for it in the best way possible...

Rugby World Cup: 'Scotland will be to blame if knocked out by typhoon' - Eddie Jones
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/50008474

What else is Eddie Jones going to say? He is very much a Japanophile, and the situation is a great one for England, even if the fans get shafted.

What’s the excuse for Conor O’Shea saying it too?

I have changed my mind. I was defending the IRB, on the assumption that they were trying their best to play as many matches as possible, but the more information that comes out, the more it becomes clear that they have actually ranked tournament rules over trying to get the games played at any cost.

While I'm not at the stage of writing the whole tournament off like some, I was wrong about this being anything but unmitigated disaster.

Puja

I know it might appear as first (tier) world problems, but the cancellation of Japan vs Scotland also has an impact on Ireland’s World Cup. A nil-nil draw gives Japan the group regardless of whatever we manage to do to Samoa tomorrow. The cancellation of NZ vs Italy has already given Group B to the ABs and who gives anyone a chance against an AB side that will have had 10 days to rest and prepare?

The 1st essence of risk management is assessing the likelihood of a risk manifesting and the scale of its impact if it does. In terms of the likelihood of a typhoon hitting japan during the typhoon season, I’d say that’s pretty well on the top end of whatever scale you use. In terms of impact on stadia and transport infrastructure, the wise risk manager must also put this at the highest end of the scale.

The next stage is to consider mitigating measures to remove or manage the risk. Now short of building typhoon proof stadia and infrastructure across the whole country the only mitigating measures that would have had any impact would have been to play the competition outside of Typhoon season or PLAY THE FECKING THING SOMEWHERE THAT DOESN'T HAVE A FECKING TYPHOON SEASON!!!!!!

SerjeantWildgoose wrote:The cancellation of NZ vs Italy has already given Group B to the ABs and who gives anyone a chance against an AB side that will have had 10 days to rest and prepare?

Although a potential silver lining for your lot is that the ABs can sometimes be caught cold and underprepared and they've had little more than opposed training with rotated teams for over a month. The Italy game was likely going to be their warm-up for their 1st XV to get ready for the quarters, so it could affect them worse than you.

Puja

Thanks for the straw. I have one hand grasping it and the other on my rosary hoping the the Jocks get to play and give Japan a good pumping.

SerjeantWildgoose wrote:I know it might appear as first (tier) world problems, but the cancellation of Japan vs Scotland also has an impact on Ireland’s World Cup. A nil-nil draw gives Japan the group regardless of whatever we manage to do to Samoa tomorrow. The cancellation of NZ vs Italy has already given Group B to the ABs and who gives anyone a chance against an AB side that will have had 10 days to rest and prepare?

The 1st essence of risk management is assessing the likelihood of a risk manifesting and the scale of its impact if it does. In terms of the likelihood of a typhoon hitting japan during the typhoon season, I’d say that’s pretty well on the top end of whatever scale you use. In terms of impact on stadia and transport infrastructure, the wise risk manager must also put this at the highest end of the scale.

The next stage is to consider mitigating measures to remove or manage the risk. Now short of building typhoon proof stadia and infrastructure across the whole country the only mitigating measures that would have had any impact would have been to play the competition outside of Typhoon season or PLAY THE FECKING THING SOMEWHERE ELSE!!!!!!

You're bang on. Other teams now have an advantage they may not have otherwise earned - finishing top rather than second and an easier QF or more rest as you point out. I'll enjoy the rugby nonetheless but this tournament is now a huge failure as a showpiece spectacle.

Eng v Fra has card factory/injuries writ all over it for me, given the way they have been dishing them out so far anything could have happened.....same goes for the AB/Italy too.

Even if I dont think we would win against Japan I'd sooner go down swinging.....

Just popped in here to say sympathies re the cancellation of your game v Japan. It's sounding like NZ have swung things their way from what's been posted on other threads. As a neutral I'm totally gutted that I'm not going to see Japan get their revenge for the last WC when they'd had like 5 mins turnaround time from their previous game before playing Scot. Not that I want Scot to go out but I do want to see a proper outcome.