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Re: Scotland v Ireland (Men's)

Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2020 11:35 am
by General Zod
Bradbury thigh strain, before anyone says he should be in the 23.

New scrum coach having his say?

Re: Scotland v Ireland (Men's)

Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2020 11:51 am
by Mikey Brown
Fair enough. I'll scrap my petition to have Toonie executed.

It seems mad we'll have managed to play all of Bradbury, Thomson, Strauss, Wilson, Fagerson, Haining and Du Preez at 8 in the space of about a year.

It's also odd we're starting the 6 nations with a player signed expressly to cover international windows but I do quite like Haining's style. Will be interesting to see how he handles the pace of it.

Good to have a bit of heft at 1, but I'm not totally sure what Sutherland is like in the scrum?

Re: Scotland v Ireland (Men's)

Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2020 12:01 pm
by whatisthejava
I’ve said that if we picked the right back 5 of the pack we could match the Irish.

That is not the best back 5.

Cummings will add a lot but Bradbury is a better player than Haining

Re: Scotland v Ireland (Men's)

Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2020 12:02 pm
by whatisthejava
Backs are much a muchness

Re: Scotland v Ireland (Men's)

Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2020 12:14 pm
by Croft_No.5
whatisthejava wrote:I’ve said that if we picked the right back 5 of the pack we could match the Irish.

That is not the best back 5.

Cummings will add a lot but Bradbury is a better player than Haining

Bradbury has a thigh strain

Re: Scotland v Ireland (Men's)

Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2020 12:21 pm
by General Zod
I like the idea of Toolis on the bench, as he’ll hopefully offer something for them to think about when Toner comes on, and is better about the park than him.

Re: Scotland v Ireland (Men's)

Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2020 12:21 pm
by paddy no 11
Seems a reasonable selection to me not too manic not too conservative
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Re: Scotland v Ireland (Men's)

Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2020 12:22 pm
by whatisthejava
Croft_No.5 wrote:
whatisthejava wrote:I’ve said that if we picked the right back 5 of the pack we could match the Irish.

That is not the best back 5.

Cummings will add a lot but Bradbury is a better player than Haining

Bradbury has a thigh strain
just saw that

Re: Scotland v Ireland (Men's)

Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2020 12:34 pm
by whatisthejava
So some fuckwit on bbc has said not one scottish player would oust the irish in a combined 15

Sutherland v Healy - Ireland
Brown v Herring - Scotland
Fagerson v Tadgh - Ireland
Cummings v Henderson - Ireland
Gray v Ryan - Ireland
Richie v Stander - Scotland (form)
Watson v De Flier - Scotland - just
Haining V Doris - Ireland


Backs
Price v Murray - Ireland - Neither team picking the best SH available
Hastings v Sexton - Ireland - Although i think Farrel should have made a strong statement and let Byrne have a crack
Kinghorn v Stockdale - Ireland Stockdale is out of form and Kinghorn only passes when playing on the Ps4
Alk v Jonnson - Scotland
Jones v Ringrose - Sene both get the better of the other but expect to see Ringose do better- Ireland
Maitland v Conway - Conway is a big lump , strong and effective but i dont think he would push Maitland out the sarries squad (Scotland)
Hogg v Lamour - Its Hogg senior playing Hogg from 5 years ago - For me whatever team wins will get the plaudits as both players will be marked in open space (Scotland)

Right i make that 6 scots but you could argue it down at 4 or up at 6

I also say mentally its Ireland 15 as they will expect a contest for 20, then scotland to make a couple of silly mistakes and then fall away

And they are right

Re: Scotland v Ireland (Men's)

Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2020 1:02 pm
by hugh_woatmeigh
Java's blue goggles always make me chuckle but Ritchie over Stander is a whole new level of insanity.

Seek help.

Not a sleight on Jamie at all - superb, superb player. Still not in the class of Stander though.

Re: Scotland v Ireland (Men's)

Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2020 1:03 pm
by Mikey Brown
I'd say comparing them as blindsides is the issue there. Totally different players.

Re: Scotland v Ireland (Men's)

Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2020 1:23 pm
by SerjeantWildgoose
Conway a big lump? Sorry witj but that is beyond bollocks! You clearly haven’t seen much of him and as for Maitland? Frankly he wouldn’t push the bloke who plays wing out of Holywood 3s. It is a matter of complete bewilderment that he has so many international caps - a true triumph of mediocrity driven, presumably, by the myopic desperation of the selection panel.

Re: Scotland v Ireland (Men's)

Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2020 1:47 pm
by hugh_woatmeigh
SerjeantWildgoose wrote:Conway a big lump? Sorry witj but that is beyond bollocks! You clearly haven’t seen much of him and as for Maitland? Frankly he wouldn’t push the bloke who plays wing out of Holywood 3s. It is a matter of complete bewilderment that he has so many international caps - a true triumph of mediocrity driven, presumably, by the myopic desperation of the selection panel.
Java talks shite. That's all there is to it!

In terms familiar to you - almost as much as the delusional Irish posters up in arms on that Paddy Jackson/Start Olding thread a wee while back!

Re: Scotland v Ireland (Men's)

Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2020 1:50 pm
by morepork
Are Ireland expected to persist with anti-rugby, endless box kicking and the good old loop around razzle dazzle from 10 every 4th phase?

Re: Scotland v Ireland (Men's)

Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2020 2:04 pm
by Croft_No.5
It worked last time out against us

Re: Scotland v Ireland (Men's)

Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2020 2:54 pm
by Big D
We are down to what 4th and 5th choice 8s if you don't count Wilson? It is what it is.

Seems about the best we could pick from the wider squad selected. I don't think Brown is captaincy material. Been around a long time and shown little leadership qualities.

Ireland by 18.

Re: Scotland v Ireland (Men's)

Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2020 3:22 pm
by sharvey44
morepork wrote:Are Ireland expected to persist with anti-rugby, endless box kicking and the good old loop around razzle dazzle from 10 every 4th phase?
As predictable as it is, Scotland seem to fall for it every time.

Re: Scotland v Ireland (Men's)

Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2020 3:29 pm
by AL.
whatisthejava wrote:So some fuckwit on bbc has said not one scottish player would oust the irish in a combined 15

Sutherland v Healy - Ireland
Brown v Herring - Scotland
Fagerson v Tadgh - Ireland
Cummings v Henderson - Ireland
Gray v Ryan - Ireland
Richie v Stander - Scotland (form)
Watson v De Flier - Scotland - just
Haining V Doris - Ireland


Backs
Price v Murray - Ireland - Neither team picking the best SH available
Hastings v Sexton - Ireland - Although i think Farrel should have made a strong statement and let Byrne have a crack
Kinghorn v Stockdale - Ireland Stockdale is out of form and Kinghorn only passes when playing on the Ps4
Alk v Jonnson - Scotland
Jones v Ringrose - Sene both get the better of the other but expect to see Ringose do better- Ireland
Maitland v Conway - Conway is a big lump , strong and effective but i dont think he would push Maitland out the sarries squad (Scotland)
Hogg v Lamour - Its Hogg senior playing Hogg from 5 years ago - For me whatever team wins will get the plaudits as both players will be marked in open space (Scotland)

Right i make that 6 scots but you could argue it down at 4 or up at 6

I also say mentally its Ireland 15 as they will expect a contest for 20, then scotland to make a couple of silly mistakes and then fall away

And they are right
I think you will find that the majority of people on the BBC HYS are beyond fuckwitery and are in fact just a set of cunts. The way the game goes they may be right about though......sadly.

Re: Scotland v Ireland (Men's)

Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2020 3:47 pm
by Still septic
Big D wrote: Been around a long time and shown little leadership qualities.

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That will be why he has been in every leadership group for club and country for the last 3 or 4 years at keast

Re: Scotland v Ireland (Men's)

Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2020 3:50 pm
by Still septic
Mikey Brown wrote:I'd say comparing them as blindsides is the issue there. Totally different players.
Correct. Stander is a one trick pony. On his day its a very good trick. Hasn't had many good days for a season and more.
Only an idiot wouldn't;rate Richie as more all done player.

Re: Scotland v Ireland (Men's)

Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2020 4:07 pm
by Big D
Still septic wrote:
Big D wrote: Been around a long time and shown little leadership qualities.

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That will be why he has been in every leadership group for club and country for the last 3 or 4 years at keast
Yes because the leadership group for Scotland bar Laidlaw and Barclay have been fantastic and we are blessed with strong leaders.

Being in a leadership group doesn't automatically make you a good leader and captain as we have seen with McInally and Gray to an extent.

Re: Scotland v Ireland (Men's)

Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2020 4:17 pm
by switchskier
Dreading this game. Suspect it will be awful to watch and that Irish front five will monopolise possession and wear us down. Thank that if we were combining 15's then I'd only have two Scottish players (Brown and Hogg), though that may change by the end of the championship if Ritchie steps up again (I would have taken Russell and Graham given their opposite numbers form).

Not as annoyed as expected about Haining given injuries. At least the need for some carrying has been recognised. But how long is it since he played?

Re: Scotland v Ireland (Men's)

Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2020 4:44 pm
by SerjeantWildgoose
hugh_woatmeigh wrote:

In terms familiar to you - almost as much as the delusional Irish posters up in arms on that Paddy Jackson/Start Olding thread a wee while back!
Jeez! Has that sour piss seeped under the door into another season? Let it go, man.

Re: Scotland v Ireland (Men's)

Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2020 4:47 pm
by SerjeantWildgoose
morepork wrote:Are Ireland expected to persist with anti-rugby, endless box kicking and the good old loop around razzle dazzle from 10 every 4th phase?
Yes. Let's be honest, does Andy Farrell look like an imaginative R*gby innovator?

Image

Mind you, if he can find a fraction of the invention shown by his son's accountant we might be on to something.

Re: Scotland v Ireland (Men's)

Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2020 5:09 pm
by morepork
He looks like he is tripping balls.