Quins vs Bath - Saturday

[16th man]

Every Quins back on the pitch should resign immediately after that.

15 metres out, uncontested scrum vs 12 men and actually lose the ball having not even made it over the gain line. Possibly the least competent thing I've ever seen on a rugby pitch.

[Which Tyler]

Ref imagines a few offences, decides that Bath are cheating all over the place, gives 2 yellows, one for the ref being wrong, and one for constant infringement because the ref has been wrong a few times.
Both cards given to hookers, so we go to uncontested scrums with 3 men off the pitch!

Thank F*** we were far enough ahead to take all of that out of the end results

[Which Tyler]

Every Quins back on the pitch should resign immediately after that.

15 metres out, uncontested scrum vs 12 men and actually lose the ball having not even made it over the gain line. Possibly the least competent thing I've ever seen on a rugby pitch.

I may have laughed

[Digby]

I did laugh at the ref giving a yellow card for something he flat out imagined

[Which Tyler]

I did laugh at the ref giving a yellow card for something he flat out imagined

I was quite sanguine at that point, it was a bad error, but late in the game and what goes around comes around.

From that point though, he just decided that it was impossible for Bath to do anything legal, invented or was overly harsh for another couple of Bath penalties, resulting in a team penalty for wearing horrible shirts (fair, but still less bad than most of the dayglo options from a few years ago) and finishing with 12 men.
I was less sanguine

[fivepointer]

Bit ridiculous at the end. The Walker card was simply wrong. Dunn i sort of got given the repeat infringements. Quins failure to do anything against 12 from the uncontested scrum was an embarrassment.
Overall, Bath good value for the win. They looked well oiled and had the game well under control until the last 5 minutes.

[Epaminondas Pules]

I really do like Redpath. You can tell his brain works that bit faster, which gives him that ability to seem to have ‘time on the ball’. So pleased he joined Bath. I’d have him in with England. I’m not saying starting, as there is lots to iron out, but to take his approach to the game up a level.

[Epaminondas Pules]

And can someone explain Dombrandt to me. He’s basically Teimana Harrison with half the workrate. I just don’t get it.

[fivepointer]

Redpath is looking very good. The way he set up McConnachie for his 2nd try was high class. He has a good chance of playing for England this year.
Thats harsh on Dombrandt. He is a high impact player who can make a big difference. For example, his pass out to Ashton for his try last week was something Harrison, nor many other, back row forwards could manage. He's a little quiet right now but he's got a lot to offer.

[Epaminondas Pules]

Redpath is looking very good. The way he set up McConnachie for his 2nd try was high class. He has a good chance of playing for England this year.
Thats harsh on Dombrandt. He is a high impact player who can make a big difference. For example, his pass out to Ashton for his try last week was something Harrison, nor many other, back row forwards could manage. He's a little quiet right now but he's got a lot to offer.

He made a decent pass off the left hand. That doesn’t make up for being lazy.

[Epaminondas Pules]

Bit ridiculous at the end. The Walker card was simply wrong. Dunn i sort of got given the repeat infringements. Quins failure to do anything against 12 from the uncontested scrum was an embarrassment.
Overall, Bath good value for the win. They looked well oiled and had the game well under control until the last 5 minutes.

Yep, should’ve been Redpath who was the one who actually flicked the ball back.

[Mikey Brown]

I really can’t tell anymore what people are judging Dombrandt on regarding his laziness. If the pundits would shut the fuck up for one minute about his “uni rig” that might help.

And there is no sanction harsh enough to absolve the horror of looking at that Bath kit for 80 minutes. Quins have had some real shockers in the last few years but that is just grim.

[Timbo]

Missed it, what's wrong with Ant?

Nothing, just managing his minutes.

[Epaminondas Pules]

Probably the fact that he’s lazy. You watch him and he’s lazy. He stands near rucks. If he had the work ethic of Harrison he’d be so much better. Harrison for all his faults just grafts and grafts and grafts.

You look at Chisholm, as an example in other games, who is constantly involved in the game, doing shitty workmanlike aspects as much as anything else, but still carrying and tackling like a machine, or Robshaw, and then there is Dombrandt. His work rate is hugely below where it should be as an aspiring international. I wouldn’t have him and Simmonds or Mercer even close to the same page.

[Timbo]

I really do like Redpath. You can tell his brain works that bit faster, which gives him that ability to seem to have ‘time on the ball’. So pleased he joined Bath. I’d have him in with England. I’m not saying starting, as there is lots to iron out, but to take his approach to the game up a level.

Agreed. Get him in this England set up and I can see him stepping up a level again.

De Glanville is another fantastic looking prospect. Surprised at his athleticism.

I’m not as down on Dombrandt as you, but he does look some way off an international to me. I think Eddie is spot on in repurposing one of our many all action flankers (Tom Curry, Wilson etc) into the 8 role when Billy is unavailable. Maybe even when Billy is available. Or having another look at Sam Simmonds.

[Epaminondas Pules]

If I’m honest I’d much rather he fast tracked Clement as an apprentice and looked at Mercer or Simmonds as backup to Billy, even though Wilson covered well.

[Banquo]

I really do like Redpath. You can tell his brain works that bit faster, which gives him that ability to seem to have ‘time on the ball’. So pleased he joined Bath. I’d have him in with England. I’m not saying starting, as there is lots to iron out, but to take his approach to the game up a level.

I thought he looked talented but (unsurprisingly) immature, so I actually agree that he needs some high quality coaching to improve what he does with his time on the ball.

[Which Tyler]

I really do like Redpath. You can tell his brain works that bit faster, which gives him that ability to seem to have ‘time on the ball’. So pleased he joined Bath. I’d have him in with England. I’m not saying starting, as there is lots to iron out, but to take his approach to the game up a level.

I thought he looked talented but (unsurprisingly) immature, so I actually agree that he needs some high quality coaching to improve what he does with his time on the ball.

TBF, Farrell's done his best to get Cam (or ANOther 12) called up

[Scrumhead]

Probably the fact that he’s lazy. You watch him and he’s lazy. He stands near rucks. If he had the work ethic of Harrison he’d be so much better. Harrison for all his faults just grafts and grafts and grafts.

You look at Chisholm, as an example in other games, who is constantly involved in the game, doing shitty workmanlike aspects as much as anything else, but still carrying and tackling like a machine, or Robshaw, and then there is Dombrandt. His work rate is hugely below where it should be as an aspiring international. I wouldn’t have him and Simmonds or Mercer even close to the same page.

He’s not lazy. There is something else going on IMO.

He is in a tricky situation at the moment where he’s struggling to adapt from playing a natural game to playing a much more structured role. I’m not sure whether it’s Quins or England, but it’s pretty clear to me that he’s playing a very different game now to when he first broke through.

He’s a natural rugby player who picks great lines and typically makes good decisions, but he’s now being asked to truck it up in traffic and hit a lot more rucks. Not unreasonable- but not playing to his strengths. If you compare his stats to other 8s like Dan du Preez or Nathan Hughes, they’re actually pretty similar.

Also season we protected him a bit and set-up with two high work-rate flankers (Robshaw and Clifford or Robshaw and Chisholm) to allow him to focus on making big breaks. That isn’t really happening now.

I feel like it’s a bit of second season syndrome coupled with a difficult tactical adaptation for a guy that has not come through the structure and discipline of an academy system. Whereas he was playing on instinct before, I suspect he’s now thinking too much ...

[Epaminondas Pules]

He’s being asked to play rugby and adapt to people and teams having done done homework on him? Wow!

[Banquo]

I really do like Redpath. You can tell his brain works that bit faster, which gives him that ability to seem to have ‘time on the ball’. So pleased he joined Bath. I’d have him in with England. I’m not saying starting, as there is lots to iron out, but to take his approach to the game up a level.

I thought he looked talented but (unsurprisingly) immature, so I actually agree that he needs some high quality coaching to improve what he does with his time on the ball.

TBF, Farrell's done his best to get Cam (or ANOther 12) called up

Lol.

[Which Tyler]

He’s being asked to play rugby and adapt to people and teams having done done homework on him? Wow!

Yup, pretty much the definition nofnsecond season syndrome.

It's one thing to look good when no-one knows how you play, and you're playing your "natural" game. It's an entirely different thing to look good when the opponent's have done their homework, and you're asked to fitni to a tean plan.

It why I never champion anyone for international honours until they've gone through this. Some players don't suffer S³, some suffer and work their way out of it, most suffer and join the crowd in never looking as good as they did in their breakout season.
A breakthrough season is not enough to claim a new messiah.

[Digby]

I really do like Redpath. You can tell his brain works that bit faster, which gives him that ability to seem to have ‘time on the ball’. So pleased he joined Bath. I’d have him in with England. I’m not saying starting, as there is lots to iron out, but to take his approach to the game up a level.

A talent, but quite a few errors yesterday too

[Epaminondas Pules]

I really do like Redpath. You can tell his brain works that bit faster, which gives him that ability to seem to have ‘time on the ball’. So pleased he joined Bath. I’d have him in with England. I’m not saying starting, as there is lots to iron out, but to take his approach to the game up a level.

A talent, but quite a few errors yesterday too

Absolutely. Good coaching and more exposure at this level will help on that front. He’s definitely got the base talent to go far.

[Digby]

I really do like Redpath. You can tell his brain works that bit faster, which gives him that ability to seem to have ‘time on the ball’. So pleased he joined Bath. I’d have him in with England. I’m not saying starting, as there is lots to iron out, but to take his approach to the game up a level.

A talent, but quite a few errors yesterday too

Absolutely. Good coaching and more exposure at this level will help on that front. He’s definitely got the base talent to go far.

Given other options I'd be happy to have a look but that error rate tends to take pressure of a selector to include you, although it's Eddie so who know what he'll be looking for at a given time