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Re: England v Wales - Team Announcement
Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2022 12:53 pm
by Mikey Brown
Oakboy wrote:Daly for Tuilagi if he breaks. What if Nowell breaks as well? Ford at IC?
Yeah any backline with the 2 of them has me slightly worried. I'd genuinely rather see Simmonds out in the backs than Smith/Ford playing centre.
Re: England v Wales - Team Announcement
Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2022 12:54 pm
by Dan. Dan. Dan.
Slade was first receiver for A LOT of the first two, so I think the 10, 12 and 13 will be swapping round constantly on Saturday. Could be a really good tactic if done well...
Re: England v Wales - Team Announcement
Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2022 1:11 pm
by 32nd Man
It's definitely a return to some of our darker mid 00s teams in terms of flat out pace.
Can't see any of that backline putting away a finish like Daly's from a couple of years ago.
It also makes the kick through much easier for them too as there's no one there who's winning a chase back on the turn with anything to spare.
Eweks and the ongoing gripe of Lawes at 6 aside, that's a good pack, especially if they kick infield and give Steward ball with Tuilagi and Dombrant broken field to exploit.
Re: England v Wales - Team Announcement
Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2022 1:32 pm
by p/d
Ewels aside, bloody marvellous.
Right on the money starting Randall and more than happy with the back 3.
Time for Jones’ boys to put in a shift and take our play to another level
Re: England v Wales - Team Announcement
Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2022 1:34 pm
by Banquo
Dan. Dan. Dan. wrote:Slade was first receiver for A LOT of the first two, so I think the 10, 12 and 13 will be swapping round constantly on Saturday. Could be a really good tactic if done well...
Yep, he gave Smith a lot of time on the ball to pick a pass, it looked promising if they can do it closer to the tackle line, which will also make Tuilagi even more of a threat.
Re: England v Wales - Team Announcement
Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2022 2:02 pm
by Dan. Dan. Dan.
Tuilagi running threatening lines + Slade giving Smith the chance to ship it wide could be glorious... could...
Re: England v Wales - Team Announcement
Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2022 2:04 pm
by Banquo
Dan. Dan. Dan. wrote:Tuilagi running threatening lines + Slade giving Smith the chance to ship it wide could be glorious... could...
Yep, and a nice mix up using Tuilagi as a straightforward tackle line breaker as an option keeps them honest.
Re: England v Wales - Team Announcement
Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2022 2:06 pm
by Mikey Brown
32nd Man wrote:It's definitely a return to some of our darker mid 00s teams in terms of flat out pace.
Can't see any of that backline putting away a finish like Daly's from a couple of years ago.
It also makes the kick through much easier for them too as there's no one there who's winning a chase back on the turn with anything to spare.
Eweks and the ongoing gripe of Lawes at 6 aside, that's a good pack, especially if they kick infield and give Steward ball with Tuilagi and Dombrant broken field to exploit.
Not sure it’s
that slow but at least they don’t have LRZ. I’d have started Daly on the wing I think, but Malins generally seems quite quick and alert to me.
Really keen to see how well we use Tuilagi and Dombrandt, as you mention.
Re: England v Wales - Team Announcement
Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2022 3:12 pm
by Numbers
I'm assuming Anthony Watson is injured, is Malins any good in the air?
Re: England v Wales - Team Announcement
Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2022 3:34 pm
by Banquo
Numbers wrote:I'm assuming Anthony Watson is injured, is Malins any good in the air?
Yes, been out for months. Yes, he is ok, more so on the wing than 15 I'd say, ditto Daly.
Re: England v Wales - Team Announcement
Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2022 3:52 pm
by Numbers
Banquo wrote:Numbers wrote:I'm assuming Anthony Watson is injured, is Malins any good in the air?
Yes, been out for months. Yes, he is ok, more so on the wing than 15 I'd say, ditto Daly.
I think we could see a fair few bombs gong onto Malins' wing, he's not the tallest and Adams is good in the air.
Re: England v Wales - Team Announcement
Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2022 3:57 pm
by FKAS
Numbers wrote:I'm assuming Anthony Watson is injured, is Malins any good in the air?
Watson is indeed injured. Malins is better in the air than Watson but not as quick and doesn't have the same finishing ability.
Re: England v Wales - Team Announcement
Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2022 4:01 pm
by Banquo
Numbers wrote:Banquo wrote:Numbers wrote:I'm assuming Anthony Watson is injured, is Malins any good in the air?
Yes, been out for months. Yes, he is ok, more so on the wing than 15 I'd say, ditto Daly.
I think we could see a fair few bombs gong onto Malins' wing, he's not the tallest and Adams is good in the air.
I don't that would be much of a surprise, its been pretty prevalent in welsh (and most other sides) play for a while.
Re: England v Wales - Team Announcement
Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2022 7:30 pm
by jngf
Mikey Brown wrote:Puja wrote:Good side. I mean, gods help us if Curry takes an early knock, but overall that's a very decent side. I am startled at Randall's inclusion; I didn't think he made a good enough showing against the Italians (mind, neither did Youngs), but Eddie's obviously decided it's time to invest in a new 9.
Puja
Why? Simmonds is fast, squat and under 6’2”. He’s the perfect openside.
To be fair I thought he had a good stab there against Italy after Curry went off
Re: England v Wales - Team Announcement
Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2022 7:35 pm
by FKAS
Banquo wrote:Numbers wrote:Banquo wrote:
Yes, been out for months. Yes, he is ok, more so on the wing than 15 I'd say, ditto Daly.
I think we could see a fair few bombs gong onto Malins' wing, he's not the tallest and Adams is good in the air.
I don't that would be much of a surprise, its been pretty prevalent in welsh (and most other sides) play for a while.
I'm expecting them to tee up a few man and ball hits early doors. Look for either a turnover penalty to kick into the corner or to ensure its slow enough so that Randall has to box kick and then look to pressure that.
I really hope Eddie has a change in game plan, I have no faith on Randall being able to play Eddie percentage rugby. England are going to need to play at a high tempo to see the best of Little Harry.
Re: England v Wales - Team Announcement
Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2022 7:51 pm
by chris1850
Manu broken again
Re: England v Wales - Team Announcement
Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2022 7:55 pm
by Spiffy
FKAS wrote:Banquo wrote:Numbers wrote:
I think we could see a fair few bombs gong onto Malins' wing, he's not the tallest and Adams is good in the air.
I don't that would be much of a surprise, its been pretty prevalent in welsh (and most other sides) play for a while.
I'm expecting them to tee up a few man and ball hits early doors. Look for either a turnover penalty to kick into the corner or to ensure its slow enough so that Randall has to box kick and then look to pressure that.
I really hope Eddie has a change in game plan, I have no faith on Randall being able to play Eddie percentage rugby. England are going to need to play at a high tempo to see the best of Little Harry.
Bit of a circular argument. Little Harry is there to set the high tempo (that Youngs does not set) and get the best out of England.
Re: England v Wales - Team Announcement
Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2022 8:00 pm
by chris1850
FKAS wrote:Banquo wrote:Numbers wrote:
I think we could see a fair few bombs gong onto Malins' wing, he's not the tallest and Adams is good in the air.
I don't that would be much of a surprise, its been pretty prevalent in welsh (and most other sides) play for a while.
I'm expecting them to tee up a few man and ball hits early doors. Look for either a turnover penalty to kick into the corner or to ensure its slow enough so that
Randall has to box kick and then look to pressure that.
I really hope Eddie has a change in game plan, I have no faith on Randall being able to play Eddie percentage rugby. England are going to need to play at a high tempo to see the best of Little Harry.
If we are relying on Randall's box kicking then we really are playing with one hand behind our backs. If we are starting him, then use his strengths - speed to the ruck and speed at the ruck with his passing ability. All of which Quirke gives you, plus a very decent box kick
Re: England v Wales - Team Announcement
Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2022 8:00 pm
by Puja
chris1850 wrote:Manu broken again
Ugh. Why can't we have nice things?!
Puja
Re: England v Wales - Team Announcement
Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2022 8:04 pm
by Mikey Brown
Hang on why have we got 2 England v Wales threads?
Re: England v Wales - Team Announcement
Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2022 8:14 pm
by SDHoneymonster
ANOTHER hamstring tear as well. I'm amazed he's got any left at this point they've ripped so often.
Re: England v Wales - Team Announcement
Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2022 8:23 pm
by Mellsblue
Lol.
Re: England v Wales - Team Announcement
Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2022 8:33 pm
by Danno
I am shocked, shocked I tell you
Re: England v Wales - Team Announcement
Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2022 8:34 pm
by Timbo
SDHoneymonster wrote:ANOTHER hamstring tear as well. I'm amazed he's got any left at this point they've ripped so often.
If it’s low grade then it’s likely just a strain rather than a tear. May well have not even showed up on the scan he went for, but if Manu is feeling it and given what happened in the Autumn I guess they’re not risking it.
Re: England v Wales - Team Announcement
Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2022 8:44 pm
by FKAS
Spiffy wrote:FKAS wrote:Banquo wrote:
I don't that would be much of a surprise, its been pretty prevalent in welsh (and most other sides) play for a while.
I'm expecting them to tee up a few man and ball hits early doors. Look for either a turnover penalty to kick into the corner or to ensure its slow enough so that Randall has to box kick and then look to pressure that.
I really hope Eddie has a change in game plan, I have no faith on Randall being able to play Eddie percentage rugby. England are going to need to play at a high tempo to see the best of Little Harry.
Bit of a circular argument. Little Harry is there to set the high tempo (that Youngs does not set) and get the best out of England.
My last sentence pretty much says that though that isn't how we've played previously under Eddie we have the players to play high tempo. When we previously tried to play super high tempo rucks with Amor as attack coach it was a disaster though that could have been as much backline selection as the actual game plan (Farrell/Slade and then May/Watson/Daly, combinations didn't work).