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No specific details are known, but someone has leaked to Gregor Paul at the Herald that he "should resign if performances and results don't measure up."

Foster, allegedly has refused to resign because of course. If he had any respect for the All Blacks and the job he's got, he'd have announced his resignation in the wake of the series loss to Ireland.


Also, Razor's stated he won't accept any job other than "head coach," so keep that in mind.

cashead wrote:No specific details are known, but someone has leaked to Gregor Paul at the Herald that he "should resign if performances and results don't measure up."

Foster, allegedly has refused to resign because of course. If he had any respect for the All Blacks and the job he's got, he'd have announced his resignation in the wake of the series loss to Ireland.


Also, Razor's stated he won't accept any job other than "head coach," so keep that in mind.

The RFU are apparently looking for Jones's successor to shadow him so that he's in place before 2023 and there'll be continuity (presumably copying the success your lot have had recently with internal promotion), so the rumour is Robertson in to handle the attack with the guarantee that he'll be heir to the throne.

Puja

Didn’t you spank Ireland in the first test? How bad can the two losses afterwards have actually been?

It’s weird seeing NZ fans feeling as entitled to be one of the best teams in the world as England fans often seem to be. Are the players just not quite as good anymore, or has the coaching really not been up to it for a while?

Foster had minimal involvement in the build-up to the first test. He was isolating due to COVID, so Joe Schmidt did the heavy lifting that week. Foster comes back, and welp.

Fair enough, doesn’t sound so great from that angle.

my dodgy stream has failed me, anyone have a link

What an arse fucking. Bullied out of it. Again. Brainless penalties and a backline strategy consisting of "chuck it to Beauden then stand around and watch him". Cane was captain, right, because Ardie seemed like the leader out there? They completely dominated us from kick off. The ginger stepchild looks the business at halfback but. How many limp efforts in a row is that now?

Yep,that was poor. What has happened to our backline.

Christie and Mo'Unga have to start IMO, Beaudy moves to 15. But even then....

Ah, yes, the back line that Foster was focusing on.

By the way, who cut Jordie Barrett's hair? Helen Keller?

Jordan, possibly the world's best wing, had the ball in his hands about twice. One, he kicked dead, the other he knocked on. Caleb Clarke looked a bit short of gas in failing to score against Willemse, and was also well-contained by his small wing opponent Arendse all game.

Worth a look maybe.

South Africa actually bothered to use some of their backs and played really well, which was a nice change. Am's ball off the floor was great. Him and De Allende are some partnership.

As for NZ, I don't think they are terrible, they just seem a bit undercoached to me and to rely on individuals having moments. I think it is time for Foster to go but I don't really see why he has to resign. NZRU should sack him if they don't think he's up to it, he clearly thinks he is at the moment. Until that changes why resign? It'd be different if he had done something unethical or had lost the support of the players but there is no real suggestion of that.

On the red-which was clear as day. South Africa dominated in the air throughout but they, and most other teams, take the approach that when chasing a kick you should 'own the space' (i.e. jump past the ball and catch it almost behind you or knock it back). It works and makes it incredible had for the defender to get a clean catch, but it is dangerous. I don't think it should be outlawed as it's stupid to say how people need to catch the ball, but I think it needs to be a penalty every single time if they go too far beyond the ball and bump the opponent before they have been allowed to get to the ball. It shouldn't be an excuse that your eyes were on the ball if you are deliberately erring on the side of going beyond it so as to make it hard for the opponent. You see it all the time but both Jordie Barrett and Will Jordan get taken out today in that way. It is the same move (just executed even worse) that led to the red (which was properly dangerous).

Cameo wrote:As for NZ, I don't think they are terrible, they just seem a bit undercoached to me and to rely on individuals having moments. I think it is time for Foster to go but I don't really see why he has to resign. NZRU should sack him if they don't think he's up to it, he clearly thinks he is at the moment. Until that changes why resign? It'd be different if he had done something unethical or had lost the support of the players but there is no real suggestion of that.

Because he's shit and not up to the task, and the longer he clings on to dear life, the more it tarnishes the team. If he had any integrity and respect for the team he's coaching, he'd have fucked off at the end of the series against Ireland.

cashead wrote:

Cameo wrote:As for NZ, I don't think they are terrible, they just seem a bit undercoached to me and to rely on individuals having moments. I think it is time for Foster to go but I don't really see why he has to resign. NZRU should sack him if they don't think he's up to it, he clearly thinks he is at the moment. Until that changes why resign? It'd be different if he had done something unethical or had lost the support of the players but there is no real suggestion of that.

Because he's shit and not up to the task, and the longer he clings on to dear life, the more it tarnishes the team. If he had any integrity and respect for the team he's coaching, he'd have fucked off at the end of the series against Ireland.

That's where I think it gets weirdly personal. He may well be deluded in thinking he is still the best man for the job, but I've not seen anything suggested any lack of integrity - exactly the opposite really. He didn't decide to appoint himself and he's not well placed to realise it's time to go.

Anyway, I think we are agreed. It is time for them to replace him. I think there is plenty potential in this squad (albeit the competition is too strong for them to become dominant again any time soon) and Robertson will be licking his lips.

Lomax broke the land speed record for fastest scrum collapse (seemed OK after that)

Posted that before seeing Barrett incident hope he's OK

Cameo wrote:

cashead wrote:

Cameo wrote:As for NZ, I don't think they are terrible, they just seem a bit undercoached to me and to rely on individuals having moments. I think it is time for Foster to go but I don't really see why he has to resign. NZRU should sack him if they don't think he's up to it, he clearly thinks he is at the moment. Until that changes why resign? It'd be different if he had done something unethical or had lost the support of the players but there is no real suggestion of that.

Because he's shit and not up to the task, and the longer he clings on to dear life, the more it tarnishes the team. If he had any integrity and respect for the team he's coaching, he'd have fucked off at the end of the series against Ireland.

That's where I think it gets weirdly personal. He may well be deluded in thinking he is still the best man for the job, but I've not seen anything suggested any lack of integrity - exactly the opposite really. He didn't decide to appoint himself and he's not well placed to realise it's time to go.

Anyway, I think we are agreed. It is time for them to replace him. I think there is plenty potential in this squad (albeit the competition is too strong for them to become dominant again any time soon) and Robertson will be licking his lips.

He said that the team suffering a record defeat in South Africa was both "their best performance this year," and "their most improved performance." I'll let that speak for itself.

paddy no 11 wrote:Lomax broke the land speed record for fastest scrum collapse (seemed OK after that)

How Lomax keeps getting selected is one of the great mysteries. He brings fuck-all to the game.

cashead wrote:

Cameo wrote:

cashead wrote:
Because he's shit and not up to the task, and the longer he clings on to dear life, the more it tarnishes the team. If he had any integrity and respect for the team he's coaching, he'd have fucked off at the end of the series against Ireland.

That's where I think it gets weirdly personal. He may well be deluded in thinking he is still the best man for the job, but I've not seen anything suggested any lack of integrity - exactly the opposite really. He didn't decide to appoint himself and he's not well placed to realise it's time to go.

Anyway, I think we are agreed. It is time for them to replace him. I think there is plenty potential in this squad (albeit the competition is too strong for them to become dominant again any time soon) and Robertson will be licking his lips.

He said that the team suffering a record defeat in South Africa was both "their best performance this year," and "their most improved performance." I'll let that speak for itself.

paddy no 11 wrote:Lomax broke the land speed record for fastest scrum collapse (seemed OK after that)

How Lomax keeps getting selected is one of the great mysteries. He brings fuck-all to the game.

Most improved? Yeah, I'd agree - the Oreland series was all downhill.

Best? Maybe. Not a high bar as the first Ireland test was a bit of an odd one.

Cameo wrote:

cashead wrote:

Cameo wrote:As for NZ, I don't think they are terrible, they just seem a bit undercoached to me and to rely on individuals having moments. I think it is time for Foster to go but I don't really see why he has to resign. NZRU should sack him if they don't think he's up to it, he clearly thinks he is at the moment. Until that changes why resign? It'd be different if he had done something unethical or had lost the support of the players but there is no real suggestion of that.

Because he's shit and not up to the task, and the longer he clings on to dear life, the more it tarnishes the team. If he had any integrity and respect for the team he's coaching, he'd have fucked off at the end of the series against Ireland.

That's where I think it gets weirdly personal. He may well be deluded in thinking he is still the best man for the job, but I've not seen anything suggested any lack of integrity - exactly the opposite really. He didn't decide to appoint himself and he's not well placed to realise it's time to go.

Anyway, I think we are agreed. It is time for them to replace him. I think there is plenty potential in this squad (albeit the competition is too strong for them to become dominant again any time soon) and Robertson will be licking his lips.

What are the odds on Pivac replacing Foster if he goes ?

Wallpaperman wrote:

Cameo wrote:

cashead wrote:
Because he's shit and not up to the task, and the longer he clings on to dear life, the more it tarnishes the team. If he had any integrity and respect for the team he's coaching, he'd have fucked off at the end of the series against Ireland.

That's where I think it gets weirdly personal. He may well be deluded in thinking he is still the best man for the job, but I've not seen anything suggested any lack of integrity - exactly the opposite really. He didn't decide to appoint himself and he's not well placed to realise it's time to go.

Anyway, I think we are agreed. It is time for them to replace him. I think there is plenty potential in this squad (albeit the competition is too strong for them to become dominant again any time soon) and Robertson will be licking his lips.

What are the odds on Pivac replacing Foster if he goes ?

I think there would be an uproar if it is anyone other than Scott Robertson. He may well already have been lined up for when they get back from South Africa.

Pivac's experience in Wales will stand him in good stead in future (especially if they get more consistent) but not heard him talked about as a candidate.

Wallpaperman wrote:

Cameo wrote:

cashead wrote:
Because he's shit and not up to the task, and the longer he clings on to dear life, the more it tarnishes the team. If he had any integrity and respect for the team he's coaching, he'd have fucked off at the end of the series against Ireland.

That's where I think it gets weirdly personal. He may well be deluded in thinking he is still the best man for the job, but I've not seen anything suggested any lack of integrity - exactly the opposite really. He didn't decide to appoint himself and he's not well placed to realise it's time to go.

Anyway, I think we are agreed. It is time for them to replace him. I think there is plenty potential in this squad (albeit the competition is too strong for them to become dominant again any time soon) and Robertson will be licking his lips.

What are the odds on Pivac replacing Foster if he goes ?

Slim to none. I'd imagine people would remember his tenure with North Harbour, where they immediately crashed and burned in his first season and took years to recover.


The priority target for the NZRU would probably be Razor Robertson, who would have some specific conditions, like having a say in whom his assistants would be - and quite frankly, he'd have them over a barrel. When he applied for the job back in 2019, he had listed Leon MacDonald, Jason Holland and Jason Ryan as his assistants - all or most of whom were deemed "not good enough" by the NZRU, against an assistant team of Brad Mooar, John Plumtree, Greg Feek and Scott McLeod. The main issue would be how happy the Blues and Hurricanes admin would be about potentially losing their head coaches - although there is precedent of a Super Rugby head coach being allowed to continue in that role while also being involved with the All Blacks (Robbie Deans).

If Razor is appointed, I expect he'll retain ol' Jason Ryan, and it'll be an issue to see if he can get Rangi and Holland in - although Holland's stock may have taken a bit of a hit in Super Rugby.

Cameo wrote:That's where I think it gets weirdly personal. He may well be deluded in thinking he is still the best man for the job, but I've not seen anything suggested any lack of integrity - exactly the opposite really. He didn't decide to appoint himself and he's not well placed to realise it's time to go.

Describing SR-Tarzan-test-rugby-Jane/big man Frizzell's assault on two people followed up with aggressive + threatening messages as "interruptions" and "distractions" while recalling him to the national team eliminated any claims of being a good cunt for mine.

New Zealand: 15 Jordie Barrett, 14 Will Jordan, 13 Rieko Ioane, 12 David Havili, 11 Caleb Clarke, 10 Richie Mo’unga, 9 Aaron Smith, 8 Ardie Savea, 7 Sam Cane (c), 6 Shannon Frizell, 5 Scott Barrett, 4 Sam Whitelock, 3 Tyrel Lomax, 2 Samisoni Taukei’aho, 1 Ethan de Groot
Replacements: 16 Codie Taylor, 17 George Bower, 18 Fletcher Newell, 19 Tupou Vaa’i, 20 Akira Ioane, 21 Finlay Christie, 22 Beauden Barrett, 23 Quinn Tupaea

Sam Cane. Again.