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Re: France v All Blacks

Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2023 6:30 am
by cashead
Lizard wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2023 12:32 am
cashead wrote: Sun Sep 10, 2023 7:05 pm Quarterfinalists, first team to lose to the Irish at that stage. Another record for Foster and his All Blacks In Name Only!
I think we’ve got First Loss To Italy before that.
Pretty sure we'll also get the ABINO conceding 50 at some stage while we're at it.

Re: France v All Blacks

Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2023 3:13 pm
by canta_brian
cashead wrote: Sat Sep 09, 2023 11:26 pm Fucking Ian Foster, absolutely useless cunt. Should never have been appointed, and fired at least three times over now.
This isn’t a secret in NZ right? How come the suits have stuck with him so long?

Re: France v All Blacks

Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2023 7:37 pm
by cashead
canta_brian wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2023 3:13 pm
cashead wrote: Sat Sep 09, 2023 11:26 pm Fucking Ian Foster, absolutely useless cunt. Should never have been appointed, and fired at least three times over now.
This isn’t a secret in NZ right? How come the suits have stuck with him so long?
A combination of old boys network and cOnTiNuItY.

The appointment process was an absolute farce - a formality designed to appoint Ian Foster into the Ian Foster-shaped hole left by Steve Hansen. Other, better, and more qualified candidates were overlooked or basically told the NZRU to eat shit because of it.

The NZRU preached continuity when they appointed Foster. When you look at other test-level teams, the coaches' ideas start to get worked out and they start eating shit in the results after 5 or 6 years. Case in point Eddie O'Sullivan, who had the Irish Golden Generation of O'Gara, O'Driscoll, O'Connell, O'Kelly, etc., and couldn't do a single fucking thing with them in the 2007 RWC, because his team had been worked out, and were clearly jaded big-time. Hell, Gordon Tietjens was at the top of the NZ 7s programme for 12 years, and his ideas and tactics had been worked out by 2015/2016, leading to a calamitous Olympics campaign in 2016. Laidlaw, after steadying the ship, had the good sense to fuck off after 5 years and try his hand at the full game with the Hurricanes. Basically, coaches and their ideas, unless they're able to keep reinventing themselves, will inevitably get worked out and struggle with results after 5 years or so, 6 tops.

Fundamentally, there hasn't been a significant change in ideology at the top for 20 years with the All Blacks In Name Only.

That plus the fact that Mark Robinson doesn't know what the fuck he's doing, and has all the ability to read the room that a literal potato has.

Re: France v All Blacks

Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2023 7:39 pm
by Puja
cashead wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2023 7:37 pm
canta_brian wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2023 3:13 pm
cashead wrote: Sat Sep 09, 2023 11:26 pm Fucking Ian Foster, absolutely useless cunt. Should never have been appointed, and fired at least three times over now.
This isn’t a secret in NZ right? How come the suits have stuck with him so long?
A combination of old boys network and cOnTiNuItY.

The appointment process was an absolute farce - a formality designed to appoint Ian Foster into the Ian Foster-shaped hole left by Steve Hansen. Other, better, and more qualified candidates were overlooked or basically told the NZRU to eat shit because of it.

That plus the fact that Mark Robinson doesn't know what the fuck he's doing, and has all the ability to read the room that a literal potato has.
Could’ve been worse. You could've hired Gatland.

Puja

Re: France v All Blacks

Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2023 9:48 pm
by canta_brian
Puja wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2023 7:39 pm
cashead wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2023 7:37 pm
canta_brian wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2023 3:13 pm

This isn’t a secret in NZ right? How come the suits have stuck with him so long?
A combination of old boys network and cOnTiNuItY.

The appointment process was an absolute farce - a formality designed to appoint Ian Foster into the Ian Foster-shaped hole left by Steve Hansen. Other, better, and more qualified candidates were overlooked or basically told the NZRU to eat shit because of it.

That plus the fact that Mark Robinson doesn't know what the fuck he's doing, and has all the ability to read the room that a literal potato has.
Could’ve been worse. You could've hired Gatland.

Puja
Gats got the job done against Fiji the other night. Superb display and Fiji never in it

Re: France v All Blacks

Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2023 9:49 pm
by canta_brian
cashead wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2023 7:37 pm
canta_brian wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2023 3:13 pm
cashead wrote: Sat Sep 09, 2023 11:26 pm Fucking Ian Foster, absolutely useless cunt. Should never have been appointed, and fired at least three times over now.
This isn’t a secret in NZ right? How come the suits have stuck with him so long?
A combination of old boys network and cOnTiNuItY.

The appointment process was an absolute farce - a formality designed to appoint Ian Foster into the Ian Foster-shaped hole left by Steve Hansen. Other, better, and more qualified candidates were overlooked or basically told the NZRU to eat shit because of it.

The NZRU preached continuity when they appointed Foster. When you look at other test-level teams, the coaches' ideas start to get worked out and they start eating shit in the results after 5 or 6 years. Case in point Eddie O'Sullivan, who had the Irish Golden Generation of O'Gara, O'Driscoll, O'Connell, O'Kelly, etc., and couldn't do a single fucking thing with them in the 2007 RWC, because his team had been worked out, and were clearly jaded big-time. Hell, Gordon Tietjens was at the top of the NZ 7s programme for 12 years, and his ideas and tactics had been worked out by 2015/2016, leading to a calamitous Olympics campaign in 2016. Laidlaw, after steadying the ship, had the good sense to fuck off after 5 years and try his hand at the full game with the Hurricanes. Basically, coaches and their ideas, unless they're able to keep reinventing themselves, will inevitably get worked out and struggle with results after 5 years or so, 6 tops.

Fundamentally, there hasn't been a significant change in ideology at the top for 20 years with the All Blacks In Name Only.

That plus the fact that Mark Robinson doesn't know what the fuck he's doing, and has all the ability to read the room that a literal potato has.
That sounds about right, and a recipe for disappointment

Re: France v All Blacks

Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2023 10:10 pm
by Lizard
The early appointment of Robertson to replace Foster has even robbed us of the chance to call for Fozzie’s head. It’s already rolling down the aisle.

It breaks my heart to see Foster fail. He was the 10 for the Waikato team of my youth that knocked the invincible late ‘80s/early ‘90s Auckland off their perch. Took the Shield, won the championship. Captained by John Mitchell. Loe, Gatland, Purvis up front. Monkley on the side of the scrum. Matthew Cooper at FB. Fucking great team.

Re: France v All Blacks

Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2023 8:56 am
by Puja
canta_brian wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2023 9:48 pm
Puja wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2023 7:39 pm
cashead wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2023 7:37 pm

A combination of old boys network and cOnTiNuItY.

The appointment process was an absolute farce - a formality designed to appoint Ian Foster into the Ian Foster-shaped hole left by Steve Hansen. Other, better, and more qualified candidates were overlooked or basically told the NZRU to eat shit because of it.

That plus the fact that Mark Robinson doesn't know what the fuck he's doing, and has all the ability to read the room that a literal potato has.
Could’ve been worse. You could've hired Gatland.

Puja
Gats got the job done against Fiji the other night. Superb display and Fiji never in it
That is a generous interpretation...

Puja

Re: France v All Blacks

Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2023 2:19 pm
by Banquo
Lizard wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2023 10:10 pm The early appointment of Robertson to replace Foster has even robbed us of the chance to call for Fozzie’s head. It’s already rolling down the aisle.

It breaks my heart to see Foster fail. He was the 10 for the Waikato team of my youth that knocked the invincible late ‘80s/early ‘90s Auckland off their perch. Took the Shield, won the championship. Captained by John Mitchell. Loe, Gatland, Purvis up front. Monkley on the side of the scrum. Matthew Cooper at FB. Fucking great team.
Dan Carter also pays a load of big tributes to Fozzie bear in his self help tome.

Re: France v All Blacks

Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2023 7:57 pm
by canta_brian
Puja wrote: Tue Sep 12, 2023 8:56 am
canta_brian wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2023 9:48 pm
Puja wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2023 7:39 pm

Could’ve been worse. You could've hired Gatland.

Puja
Gats got the job done against Fiji the other night. Superb display and Fiji never in it
That is a generous interpretation...

Puja
You think? :)

Re: France v All Blacks

Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2023 10:34 pm
by Lizard
Banquo wrote: Tue Sep 12, 2023 2:19 pm
Lizard wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2023 10:10 pm The early appointment of Robertson to replace Foster has even robbed us of the chance to call for Fozzie’s head. It’s already rolling down the aisle.

It breaks my heart to see Foster fail. He was the 10 for the Waikato team of my youth that knocked the invincible late ‘80s/early ‘90s Auckland off their perch. Took the Shield, won the championship. Captained by John Mitchell. Loe, Gatland, Purvis up front. Monkley on the side of the scrum. Matthew Cooper at FB. Fucking great team.
Dan Carter also pays a load of big tributes to Fozzie bear in his self help tome.
I've got no complaints about his tenure as assistant...

Re: France v All Blacks

Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2023 12:26 am
by morepork
Ken Doll Carter...if not for rugby he would be a reality TV presence in the regions, at best.

Re: France v All Blacks

Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2023 12:57 am
by Lizard
I haven’t read his self-help book and have no plans to. His “auto”-biography was one of the dullest things I have read. At least Corey Jane had the sense to have his ghost writer put some entertaining bullshit into his one.

Re: France v All Blacks

Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2023 12:40 pm
by Banquo
Poor Dan. Seems a decent guy and a great player.

Re: France v All Blacks

Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2023 8:21 pm
by Lizard
Banquo wrote: Wed Sep 13, 2023 12:40 pm Poor Dan. Seems a decent guy and a great player.
Absolutely. Not every sports star needs to be a “personality”.

Re: France v All Blacks

Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2023 8:45 am
by Which Tyler
Still learning from St Jonny, I see

Re: France v All Blacks

Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2023 9:51 am
by Son of Mathonwy
Puja wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2023 7:39 pm
cashead wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2023 7:37 pm
canta_brian wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2023 3:13 pm

This isn’t a secret in NZ right? How come the suits have stuck with him so long?
A combination of old boys network and cOnTiNuItY.

The appointment process was an absolute farce - a formality designed to appoint Ian Foster into the Ian Foster-shaped hole left by Steve Hansen. Other, better, and more qualified candidates were overlooked or basically told the NZRU to eat shit because of it.

That plus the fact that Mark Robinson doesn't know what the fuck he's doing, and has all the ability to read the room that a literal potato has.
Could’ve been worse. You could've hired Gatland.

Puja
How dare you! Warren 'Quicksilver' Gatland is always reinventing himself.