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Re: Italy v England, Saturday 3 Feb 2024, 2.15pm (ITV)

Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2024 6:40 pm
by FKAS
francoisfou wrote: Fri Feb 02, 2024 6:30 pm A shame, but Ange Capuozzo has withdrawn from the side due to a stomach bug (a dodgy pizza con fungi?) and is replaced by Lorenzo Pani (Zebre 5 caps)
Big blow for the Azzurri, he's a game changer.

Re: Italy v England, Saturday 3 Feb 2024, 2.15pm (ITV)

Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2024 6:40 pm
by Mr Mwenda
What a shame, that lad has talent! Makes England's job easier.

Re: Italy v England, Saturday 3 Feb 2024, 2.15pm (ITV)

Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2024 8:54 am
by Skalyba
Oakboy wrote: Fri Feb 02, 2024 8:25 am In the DT this morning it is reported that Fin Smith WAS lined up for bench duty had Marcus been fit to start. With Ford's fitness a bit suspect as well, might NOT starting Fin against Italy be a mistake? It risks him having to make his first start against Ireland or France should both other FHs be unavailable.

As a principle, I do not like a player being declared 2nd choice only to then be relegated to 3rd choice without having had a chance to play.

If Ford was 'rested' originally how can he be fit (or in form) to start? He should be on the bench at best, IMO.
I think we saw in the WC that Borthwick doesn't necessarily see the bench (o squad) as 2nd cab off the rank when it comes. I think he has a clear picture of 'if this player goes down, this is who I replace him with', whether they are in the squad or not. Our greatest strength is our breadth of players, I like that he uses that and has a purpose in mind for each player

Re: Italy v England, Saturday 3 Feb 2024, 2.15pm (ITV)

Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2024 11:06 am
by Oakboy
Skalyba wrote: Sat Feb 03, 2024 8:54 am
Oakboy wrote: Fri Feb 02, 2024 8:25 am In the DT this morning it is reported that Fin Smith WAS lined up for bench duty had Marcus been fit to start. With Ford's fitness a bit suspect as well, might NOT starting Fin against Italy be a mistake? It risks him having to make his first start against Ireland or France should both other FHs be unavailable.

As a principle, I do not like a player being declared 2nd choice only to then be relegated to 3rd choice without having had a chance to play.

If Ford was 'rested' originally how can he be fit (or in form) to start? He should be on the bench at best, IMO.
I think we saw in the WC that Borthwick doesn't necessarily see the bench (o squad) as 2nd cab off the rank when it comes. I think he has a clear picture of 'if this player goes down, this is who I replace him with', whether they are in the squad or not. Our greatest strength is our breadth of players, I like that he uses that and has a purpose in mind for each player
IF Ford is fully fit and has somehow found form in the training camp, I accept that the viewpoint makes sense. Otherwise, protecting him for this game seems more sensible to me. Maybe, SB is simply satisfied that he has only been off his best because he has not been fully fit in club games and now he is 100%. We will see.

Re: Italy v England, Saturday 3 Feb 2024, 2.15pm (ITV)

Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2024 1:11 pm
by FKAS
Skalyba wrote: Sat Feb 03, 2024 8:54 am
Oakboy wrote: Fri Feb 02, 2024 8:25 am In the DT this morning it is reported that Fin Smith WAS lined up for bench duty had Marcus been fit to start. With Ford's fitness a bit suspect as well, might NOT starting Fin against Italy be a mistake? It risks him having to make his first start against Ireland or France should both other FHs be unavailable.

As a principle, I do not like a player being declared 2nd choice only to then be relegated to 3rd choice without having had a chance to play.

If Ford was 'rested' originally how can he be fit (or in form) to start? He should be on the bench at best, IMO.
I think we saw in the WC that Borthwick doesn't necessarily see the bench (o squad) as 2nd cab off the rank when it comes. I think he has a clear picture of 'if this player goes down, this is who I replace him with', whether they are in the squad or not. Our greatest strength is our breadth of players, I like that he uses that and has a purpose in mind for each player
Borthwick did used to talk about the best make up of the team over 80 mins when he was at Tigers. As you say didn't necessarily mean the best players started or the second best would be on the bench. They'd be stuff like loading the bench so we'd endure the first half and then unload the bench to target the tiring opposition or start with the second choice props and bring first choice on at half time and target the scrums.

Borthwick likes his tactics and doesn't tend to keep them the same game to game albeit there are obviously go to elements (like everyone's favourite kicking).

Re: Italy v England, Saturday 3 Feb 2024, 2.15pm (ITV)

Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2024 1:24 pm
by Danno
Genge out, Obano on the bench! (Sucks for Genge obvs)

Re: Italy v England, Saturday 3 Feb 2024, 2.15pm (ITV)

Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2024 1:43 pm
by Mikey Brown
Great to see Obano though, not like Genge will suffer much for missing this.

Smiling, positive Steve really freaks me out. It’s like when Mark Zuckerberg does it.

Re: Italy v England, Saturday 3 Feb 2024, 2.15pm (ITV)

Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2024 2:21 pm
by Banquo
backrow awol

Re: Italy v England, Saturday 3 Feb 2024, 2.15pm (ITV)

Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2024 2:25 pm
by Danno
What a mess

Re: Italy v England, Saturday 3 Feb 2024, 2.15pm (ITV)

Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2024 2:25 pm
by Banquo
pens ...

Re: Italy v England, Saturday 3 Feb 2024, 2.15pm (ITV)

Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2024 2:30 pm
by Banquo
backrow awol.

Re: Italy v England, Saturday 3 Feb 2024, 2.15pm (ITV)

Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2024 2:30 pm
by Danno
Can't fault that, lovely score

Re: Italy v England, Saturday 3 Feb 2024, 2.15pm (ITV)

Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2024 2:30 pm
by Banquo
Danno wrote: Sat Feb 03, 2024 2:30 pm Can't fault that, lovely score
poor d imo

Re: Italy v England, Saturday 3 Feb 2024, 2.15pm (ITV)

Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2024 2:35 pm
by FKAS
Banquo wrote: Sat Feb 03, 2024 2:30 pm
Danno wrote: Sat Feb 03, 2024 2:30 pm Can't fault that, lovely score
poor d imo
Definitely. Chessum shoots out the line and then Marler walks towards the contact making a soft tackle it's easy to offload from. Steward makes a good covering tackle but whomever is there with him seems to fall over as opposed to either stopping the offload or lining up a tackle on the support player. I suspect that one will be pulled apart at the debrief with some harsh words.

Re: Italy v England, Saturday 3 Feb 2024, 2.15pm (ITV)

Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2024 2:36 pm
by FKAS
Banquo wrote: Sat Feb 03, 2024 2:30 pmbackrow awol.
Pack is AWOL so far.

Re: Italy v England, Saturday 3 Feb 2024, 2.15pm (ITV)

Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2024 2:40 pm
by Banquo
thats good, and fair play rooots

Re: Italy v England, Saturday 3 Feb 2024, 2.15pm (ITV)

Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2024 2:40 pm
by FKAS
Tommy Freeman doing Tommy Freeman things.

Re: Italy v England, Saturday 3 Feb 2024, 2.15pm (ITV)

Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2024 2:40 pm
by Banquo
mitchell kicking good

Re: Italy v England, Saturday 3 Feb 2024, 2.15pm (ITV)

Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2024 2:42 pm
by Banquo
daft kick

Re: Italy v England, Saturday 3 Feb 2024, 2.15pm (ITV)

Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2024 2:43 pm
by Banquo
roots carrying well fair play, then silly

Re: Italy v England, Saturday 3 Feb 2024, 2.15pm (ITV)

Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2024 2:43 pm
by Banquo
FKAS wrote: Sat Feb 03, 2024 2:40 pm Tommy Freeman doing Tommy Freeman things.
good inne

Re: Italy v England, Saturday 3 Feb 2024, 2.15pm (ITV)

Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2024 2:44 pm
by FKAS
Banquo wrote: Sat Feb 03, 2024 2:43 pm roots carrying well fair play, then silly
As the ref said, he was close. He wins that penalty and then we've got an easy kick to the corner.

Re: Italy v England, Saturday 3 Feb 2024, 2.15pm (ITV)

Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2024 2:46 pm
by Banquo
what the fuck were they doing in defence???

Re: Italy v England, Saturday 3 Feb 2024, 2.15pm (ITV)

Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2024 2:47 pm
by Captainhaircut
No idea why we keep going back to Slade like he is going to produce something different. Get Freeman to 13.

Re: Italy v England, Saturday 3 Feb 2024, 2.15pm (ITV)

Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2024 2:48 pm
by Oakboy
Italy flowing. We are box-kicking. When will the penny drop?