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Puja wrote: ↑Wed Nov 08, 2023 4:12 pm

Which Tyler wrote: ↑Wed Nov 08, 2023 11:59 am

Stom wrote: ↑Wed Nov 08, 2023 11:31 amWhat the hell dirt does he have? He really is the player who suits the government who overlaps his career best though. I can't think of a better representation of WTF are you doing there? How are you qualified for that job??? than the lukewarm boy himself.

Steve Borthwick?
Martin Johnson?
2011 version of Stuart Lancaster?
Rob Andrews?

Dean Ryan seems more egregious than Andrew.

Puja

Banquo wrote: ↑Wed Nov 08, 2023 5:55 pm

Puja wrote: ↑Wed Nov 08, 2023 4:12 pm

Which Tyler wrote: ↑Wed Nov 08, 2023 11:59 am

Steve Borthwick?
Martin Johnson?
2011 version of Stuart Lancaster?
Rob Andrews?

Dean Ryan seems more egregious than Andrew.

Puja

we need an egregiosity scale here

16th man wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 11:13 am Trying to respect some demarcation between this thread and the A team one:

I see there are a lot of people who put George on their time to move on list. I'm not following the logic. Yes he could probably do with a summer off, and we need to get some experience into possible replacements, but he's still our best option, the nearest contender has been out injured fir some time, and we do really need to blood some new options in other tight 5 slots. Chucking George out just strikes me as a bit (bloke who still looks like an oversized) baby with the bath water.

16th man wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 11:13 am Trying to respect some demarcation between this thread and the A team one:

I see there are a lot of people who put George on their time to move on list. I'm not following the logic. Yes he could probably do with a summer off, and we need to get some experience into possible replacements, but he's still our best option, the nearest contender has been out injured fir some time, and we do really need to blood some new options in other tight 5 slots. Chucking George out just strikes me as a bit (bloke who still looks like an oversized) baby with the bath water.

16th man wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 11:13 am Trying to respect some demarcation between this thread and the A team one:

I see there are a lot of people who put George on their time to move on list. I'm not following the logic. Yes he could probably do with a summer off, and we need to get some experience into possible replacements, but he's still our best option, the nearest contender has been out injured fir some time, and we do really need to blood some new options in other tight 5 slots. Chucking George out just strikes me as a bit (bloke who still looks like an oversized) baby with the bath water.

Banquo wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 12:47 pm

16th man wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 11:13 am Trying to respect some demarcation between this thread and the A team one:

I see there are a lot of people who put George on their time to move on list. I'm not following the logic. Yes he could probably do with a summer off, and we need to get some experience into possible replacements, but he's still our best option, the nearest contender has been out injured fir some time, and we do really need to blood some new options in other tight 5 slots. Chucking George out just strikes me as a bit (bloke who still looks like an oversized) baby with the bath water.

yep, Creevy still going at about 76 so years in George yet

Mellsblue wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 1:17 pm

Banquo wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 12:47 pm

16th man wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 11:13 am Trying to respect some demarcation between this thread and the A team one:

I see there are a lot of people who put George on their time to move on list. I'm not following the logic. Yes he could probably do with a summer off, and we need to get some experience into possible replacements, but he's still our best option, the nearest contender has been out injured fir some time, and we do really need to blood some new options in other tight 5 slots. Chucking George out just strikes me as a bit (bloke who still looks like an oversized) baby with the bath water.

yep, Creevy still going at about 76 so years in George yet

Strange way for you to announce your playing comeback

Stom wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 12:10 pm

16th man wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 11:13 am Trying to respect some demarcation between this thread and the A team one:

I see there are a lot of people who put George on their time to move on list. I'm not following the logic. Yes he could probably do with a summer off, and we need to get some experience into possible replacements, but he's still our best option, the nearest contender has been out injured fir some time, and we do really need to blood some new options in other tight 5 slots. Chucking George out just strikes me as a bit (bloke who still looks like an oversized) baby with the bath water.

We're not going to throw out Genge, we probably won't throw out Sinckler. I think we can afford to experiment at hooker for the next year. Though I don't really mind, it's the least of our problems.

Puja wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 1:58 pm

Stom wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 12:10 pm

16th man wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 11:13 am Trying to respect some demarcation between this thread and the A team one:

I see there are a lot of people who put George on their time to move on list. I'm not following the logic. Yes he could probably do with a summer off, and we need to get some experience into possible replacements, but he's still our best option, the nearest contender has been out injured fir some time, and we do really need to blood some new options in other tight 5 slots. Chucking George out just strikes me as a bit (bloke who still looks like an oversized) baby with the bath water.

We're not going to throw out Genge, we probably won't throw out Sinckler. I think we can afford to experiment at hooker for the next year. Though I don't really mind, it's the least of our problems.

While I definitely don't want to see him playing 78-80 minute games again, I think I'd prefer to keep George for the time being. Evolution is a lot easier with a strong base to work from and it'll make it hard to see how good our other experiments are if we've deliberately weakened our set-piece. In addition to that, we're not exactly overflowing with alternatives who are demanding selection - Dan is definitively behind George in either colour shirt and I am a believer in making a young player earn a starting place by improving, rather than gifting it to them on the basis that they're young.

Puja

Banquo wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 12:47 pm

16th man wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 11:13 am Trying to respect some demarcation between this thread and the A team one:

I see there are a lot of people who put George on their time to move on list. I'm not following the logic. Yes he could probably do with a summer off, and we need to get some experience into possible replacements, but he's still our best option, the nearest contender has been out injured fir some time, and we do really need to blood some new options in other tight 5 slots. Chucking George out just strikes me as a bit (bloke who still looks like an oversized) baby with the bath water.

yep, Creevy still going at about 76 so years in George yet

fivepointer wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 4:31 pm If we had a couple of guys ready to step up i'd drop George in a heartbeat. We dont. So keeping him around over the next 12-18 months makes sense.
The hope must be that Dan overtakes him at club and international level and someone else comes into contention.
Great chance for Sam Riley if he can lift his game up a level.

fivepointer wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2023 4:31 pm If we had a couple of guys ready to step up i'd drop George in a heartbeat. We dont. So keeping him around over the next 12-18 months makes sense.
The hope must be that Dan overtakes him at club and international level and someone else comes into contention.
Great chance for Sam Riley if he can lift his game up a level.

Spiffy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 4:31 pm

Epaminondas Pules wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 9:29 am Of note in the game was both wingers came of their wings a lot, as you'd expect in a normal team, as opposed to the rigidity of England.

Yes. Henry has obviously been given a roving commission and did look very dangerous running through the midfield. What a dream start to his career in France with three tries - all of high quality. He's actually too good for England

TheNomad wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 6:08 pm I'd argue it's just the wrong game plan. As others have said, let's not judge too quickly on the world cup, as ultimately it was (if you're being kind) focused on the prosaic.

There's time now to build something interesting. Needs a fresh start, including introducing (in my opinion) a more expansive game that actually looks to score tries

francoisfou wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 6:43 pm

TheNomad wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 6:08 pm I'd argue it's just the wrong game plan. As others have said, let's not judge too quickly on the world cup, as ultimately it was (if you're being kind) focused on the prosaic.

There's time now to build something interesting. Needs a fresh start, including introducing (in my opinion) a more expansive game that actually looks to score tries

Sounds good, but does Slack Bladder have the inclination to adopt a more expansive game? Introduce players like Quirke at 9, Smith F or Shillcock at fly half and Atkinson at centre, for example, and we could see the beginnings of something special.

Puja wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 7:56 pm

francoisfou wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 6:43 pm

TheNomad wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 6:08 pm I'd argue it's just the wrong game plan. As others have said, let's not judge too quickly on the world cup, as ultimately it was (if you're being kind) focused on the prosaic.

There's time now to build something interesting. Needs a fresh start, including introducing (in my opinion) a more expansive game that actually looks to score tries

Sounds good, but does Slack Bladder have the inclination to adopt a more expansive game? Introduce players like Quirke at 9, Smith F or Shillcock at fly half and Atkinson at centre, for example, and we could see the beginnings of something special.

That is... an interesting recipe for what's needed for an expansive game. Shillcock? I mean, I love him as a player, but he's not England quality, nor as exciting a player as MSmith or Ford.

Puja

francoisfou wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 8:09 pm

Puja wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 7:56 pm

francoisfou wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 6:43 pm

Sounds good, but does Slack Bladder have the inclination to adopt a more expansive game? Introduce players like Quirke at 9, Smith F or Shillcock at fly half and Atkinson at centre, for example, and we could see the beginnings of something special.

That is... an interesting recipe for what's needed for an expansive game. Shillcock? I mean, I love him as a player, but he's not England quality, nor as exciting a player as MSmith or Ford.

Puja

I’ve not seen much of Shillcock, but what I have seems very promising, so I’d not dismiss his chances just yet. He and Smith F may well be on opposing sides sometime on Saturday.

FKAS wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 7:04 am

francoisfou wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 8:09 pm

Puja wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 7:56 pm

That is... an interesting recipe for what's needed for an expansive game. Shillcock? I mean, I love him as a player, but he's not England quality, nor as exciting a player as MSmith or Ford.

Puja

I’ve not seen much of Shillcock, but what I have seems very promising, so I’d not dismiss his chances just yet. He and Smith F may well be on opposing sides sometime on Saturday.

Shillcock is a good club option but he's 26 and not a first choice player at either 10 or 15. Happy to have him at Tigers mind.

Oakboy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 8:48 am If Smith x 2 need time to develop, learning their trade with Ford/Farrell should May/Daly be retained to help Arundell? Or, is that so much bollix and we should back fresh, new potential wherever it is available?