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Mark Francois has just criticised May by saying, "Perseverance is a virtue, but sheer obstinacy is not."

The sheer lack of self-awareness is just astounding.

Puja

Puja wrote:Mark Francois has just criticised May by saying, "Perseverance is a virtue, but sheer obstinacy is not."

The sheer lack of self-awareness is just astounding.

Puja

He's a turd

Banquo wrote:

Puja wrote:Mark Francois has just criticised May by saying, "Perseverance is a virtue, but sheer obstinacy is not."

The sheer lack of self-awareness is just astounding.

Puja

He's a turd

Yep.

Brexit Party officially launched today. Rees-Mogg’s sister is/will be a candidate for the EU elections. Just had a chat with someone close to things and they think Mark Francois will defect at the first opportunity. Fingers crossed.

Mellsblue wrote:Brexit Party officially launched today. Rees-Mogg’s sister is/will be a candidate for the EU elections. Just had a chat with someone close to things and they think Mark Francois will defect at the first opportunity. Fingers crossed.

Francois will certainly defecate on them even if not intentionally

The Brexit party?

Jesus christ.....

morepork wrote:The Brexit party?

Jesus christ.....

Life of Brian springs to mind, splitters!

Digby wrote:

Mellsblue wrote:Brexit Party officially launched today. Rees-Mogg’s sister is/will be a candidate for the EU elections. Just had a chat with someone close to things and they think Mark Francois will defect at the first opportunity. Fingers crossed.

Francois will certainly defecate on them even if not intentionally

The more that idiot is on TV the greater the chance of no Brexit. There’s a damn good reason why the leave campaign kept the likes of him hidden.

Sandydragon wrote:

morepork wrote:The Brexit party?

Jesus christ.....

Life of Brian springs to mind, splitters!

Their policies including stoning anyone from Judea who wishes to move to the UK

Puja wrote:Read this today and thought it a well-written article from a Leave-voter's perspective: https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/opende ... ink-again/

Very sensible.

But most of this - other than the Good Friday Agreement issues - was highly predicable at the time of the referendum. Why wasn't it to Oborne?

A further delay now until 31 October, earlier if a WA has been ratified by MPs.
UK will need to take part in the Euro elections on 23 May, but if not would have to leave the EU on 1 June with No deal.
Can't see either of these early exit scenarios being allowed to happen by MP's - the Can has been kicked along so many times now it looks more like a Can't.

That flowchart is missing a branch. It assumes (following the “yes” - “pass” path, that the EU will agree a renegotiated deal.

Mellsblue wrote:

ffs.

Oddly, that's 71% favouring parties whose policy is leaving the EU.

Banquo wrote:

Mellsblue wrote:

ffs.

Oddly, that's 71% favouring parties whose policy is leaving the EU.

Although I suspect a reasonable portion of the 37% going for Labour or Conservatives is identity politics, rather than anything to do with their policies.

Puja

Puja wrote:

Banquo wrote:

Mellsblue wrote:

ffs.

Oddly, that's 71% favouring parties whose policy is leaving the EU.

Although I suspect a reasonable portion of the 37% going for Labour or Conservatives is identity politics, rather than anything to do with their policies.

Puja

That's confused this old boy- identity politics is not the same as party politics, shewerly. Isn't that the shift we are seeing?

and yes, but nonetheless, as its EU elections, it does send a message; certainly Labour voters seem to be a bit more able to hold their nose and ignore the Leave policy at the top of the party.

Banquo wrote:

Puja wrote:

Banquo wrote: ffs.

Oddly, that's 71% favouring parties whose policy is leaving the EU.

Although I suspect a reasonable portion of the 37% going for Labour or Conservatives is identity politics, rather than anything to do with their policies.

Puja

That's confused this old boy- identity politics is not the same as party politics, shewerly. Isn't that the shift we are seeing?

and yes, but nonetheless, as its EU elections, it does send a message; certainly Labour voters seem to be a bit more able to hold their nose and ignore the Leave policy at the top of the party.

Identity politics is where people of a particular religion, class, race, social grouping, etc vote for a party because that's part of their identity as a member of that group. The actual policies are largely irrelevant. So even if someone is virulently remain, they might vote Labour or Conservative because that's what they've always done and what people like them do, usually justified with some cognitive dissonance about the economy.

Puja

Puja wrote:

Banquo wrote:

Puja wrote:
Although I suspect a reasonable portion of the 37% going for Labour or Conservatives is identity politics, rather than anything to do with their policies.

Puja

That's confused this old boy- identity politics is not the same as party politics, shewerly. Isn't that the shift we are seeing?

and yes, but nonetheless, as its EU elections, it does send a message; certainly Labour voters seem to be a bit more able to hold their nose and ignore the Leave policy at the top of the party.

Identity politics is where people of a particular religion, class, race, social grouping, etc vote for a party because that's part of their identity as a member of that group. The actual policies are largely irrelevant. So even if someone is virulently remain, they might vote Labour or Conservative because that's what they've always done and what people like them do, usually justified with some cognitive dissonance about the economy.

Puja

IMO That's standard party politics. Identity politics as I read it is different- as per this definition 'a tendency for people of a particular religion, race, social background, etc., to form exclusive political alliances, moving away from traditional broad-based party politics'. Probably splitting hairs, but I associate the phrase identity politics with a different movement and trend. Happy to be eddicated

the latter part of my post refers to that cognitive dissonance. My main point is the paucity of support for anti brexit parties. Maybe this indicates how little people other than extreme brexiteers actually care about Brexit!!

I'm stuck imagining Roy Castle sing eddication is what one needs

Puja wrote:

Banquo wrote:

Puja wrote:
Although I suspect a reasonable portion of the 37% going for Labour or Conservatives is identity politics, rather than anything to do with their policies.

Puja

That's confused this old boy- identity politics is not the same as party politics, shewerly. Isn't that the shift we are seeing?

and yes, but nonetheless, as its EU elections, it does send a message; certainly Labour voters seem to be a bit more able to hold their nose and ignore the Leave policy at the top of the party.

Identity politics is where people of a particular religion, class, race, social grouping, etc vote for a party because that's part of their identity as a member of that group. The actual policies are largely irrelevant. So even if someone is virulently remain, they might vote Labour or Conservative because that's what they've always done and what people like them do, usually justified with some cognitive dissonance about the economy.

Puja

Or put another way, identity politics refers to those people who politicians don’t care about given their votes are in the bag.


Normally.

Bojo will be taking on his sister in the European elections which presents him an interesting challenge on how to present himself

Farage says as with Brexit his group will not be getting into any discussion on policy details until after the election, though as we've just seen in the Ukraine that doesn't always matter, and being frank we saw it in the brexit referendum too so we're no better

May says her deal is the best way forward, so good if she gets it she'll give up

Corbyn hopes nobody pays attention to anything he's not saying on brexit

Cable wishes anyone would pay attention to anything he's saying about anything

Heidi Allen hopes the party isn't already a busted flush

Digby wrote:
Farage says as with Brexit his group will not be getting into any discussion on policy details until after the election, though as we've just seen in the Ukraine that doesn't always matter, and being frank we saw it in the brexit referendum too so we're no better

What a fucking tool.

A successful tool though is Nigel

In the commons Thornberry got the better of Liddington over the Irish border noting Pelosi saying Congress isn't touching a trade deal that ignores the problem of the Irish border. Sadly Emily in public at least is (willfully?) ignorant that Labour's position on the customs union isn't enough to get the job done they need to progress their position on the single market, and their position on the single market remains to have their cake and eat it because the leadership is thick as shit and hates Nato and capitalism which is what apparently the EU represents if you're batshit insane

Farage has reached the parts that other politicians can’t. The perception that politicians aren’t listening has played into his hands and he is playing a populist tune.

His simplistic remedy of leaving the EU to solve all our problems is nonsense but it’s appealing on so many levels to people who feel let down and left behind.

I remain extremely concerned around that, if we enact something as economically daft as brexit and it turns out many didn’t vote brexit in the name of sovereignty (and that remains a reasonable stance though I disagree with it on a number of fronts) where do the great unwashed turn next?