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TheDasher wrote:

Oakboy wrote:

Spiffy wrote:
Perhaps before that question Jones should be asking himself "Is Faz a better FH than George Ford?"

The trouble is that if he asks himself that, he should also ask 'who is our best FH?' The answer, quite simply, is Cipriani. Ford is arguably the 2nd best.

The snag, then, is that Farrell would not be in the match day 23. I can live with that but I doubt if Jones can. Punditry would implode.

Cipriani has always been my favourite as a player but that ship has sailed, not much point in mentioning him. To be fair to management, the guy's clearly not professional enough either. He's acted like child too many times to take seriously.

Mellsblue wrote:Yep. Very well constructed try. No wonder plays, just a flyhalf picking the correct option on the gain line phase after phase. The best bit was the kick for touch. Ford marked it with his heel, then took two steps forwards and then another five in the run up for his kick. Hehe.

Banquo wrote:

Stom wrote:

TheDasher wrote:
You often focus on his left to right passing. I think that's the least of his worries. His passing has not proved a hindrance to this team imo. We've frankly been unrecognisably good in attack at times of late. I don't believe his lack of running threat at 10 is an issue either, although I believe it is at 12.

Game management has been the obvious issue. I suspect he's pretty arrogant and I also suspect Jones has given him too much of a free reign. I think he needs to be told when to tighten up and to slow things down, simple as that. I think he's capable of it. If he doesn't prove it in his next few opportunities, I'd move on from him. I'd pick Ford for the next game anyway.

I don't think we'll ever agree on Farrell Banquo .

On the captaincy bit, perhaps it is Itoje, or Kruis - I'm not sure. But Eddie should be all over this issue and finding a captain of required quality if there isn't one in his squad already.

I said it before, watch the buildup to Ford's try.



Just see how he manipulates the game...Farrell either chooses to never do that, or cannot...

Curry is exceptionally good also, in what is a an excellent piece of play from England.

Digby wrote:

Banquo wrote:

Stom wrote:
I said it before, watch the buildup to Ford's try.



Just see how he manipulates the game...Farrell either chooses to never do that, or cannot...

Curry is exceptionally good also, in what is a an excellent piece of play from England.

Being a positive sort of chap what I see is Russell running out of the line to create a hole for Ford and Curry, huge commitment from blue 22 and then blue 7 not to put May into touch, and then Russell unable to slide onto Ford as he's blocked by Cole whilst the man outside Russell slides off Ford - in fairness crowd noise might well have overridden any attempt to communicate who needed to pick up Ford

It's competency perhaps from England,but not from Scotland

Digby wrote:

Banquo wrote:

Stom wrote:
I said it before, watch the buildup to Ford's try.



Just see how he manipulates the game...Farrell either chooses to never do that, or cannot...

Curry is exceptionally good also, in what is a an excellent piece of play from England.

Being a positive sort of chap what I see is Russell running out of the line to create a hole for Ford and Curry, huge commitment from blue 22 and then blue 7 not to put May into touch, and then Russell unable to slide onto Ford as he's blocked by Cole whilst the man outside Russell slides off Ford - in fairness crowd noise might well have overridden any attempt to communicate who needed to pick up Ford

It's competency perhaps from England,but not from Scotland

Banquo wrote: that running out of the line is what threw faz and had been spotted by Ford, so kudos.

Raggs wrote:Just have to point out Genge's pass for Ford's score. Fantastic pass, especially for someone who's been on the pitch a lot longer than expected.

Oakboy wrote:Has Itoje ever been captain for Saracens?

Raggs wrote:Just have to point out Genge's pass for Ford's score. Fantastic pass, especially for someone who's been on the pitch a lot longer than expected.

Banquo wrote:

Raggs wrote:Just have to point out Genge's pass for Ford's score. Fantastic pass, especially for someone who's been on the pitch a lot longer than expected.

as I said before, he bookended his performance well with offloads to Sinckler early and that one for Ford's try. In between he had 15 carries for about 7 yards and got in the way mostly. So positively, a lot to work on.

Mellsblue wrote:

Banquo wrote:

Raggs wrote:Just have to point out Genge's pass for Ford's score. Fantastic pass, especially for someone who's been on the pitch a lot longer than expected.

as I said before, he bookended his performance well with offloads to Sinckler early and that one for Ford's try. In between he had 15 carries for about 7 yards and got in the way mostly. So positively, a lot to work on.

The talent is there, though.

Mellsblue wrote:

Oakboy wrote:Has Itoje ever been captain for Saracens?

Don’t think so, possibly for a handful of one off matches. He was u20s capt and captained Saracens to the Anglo-Welsh a year later.

Oakboy wrote:

Mellsblue wrote:

Oakboy wrote:Has Itoje ever been captain for Saracens?

Don’t think so, possibly for a handful of one off matches. He was u20s capt and captained Saracens to the Anglo-Welsh a year later.

I just wonder if he has sufficient composure at this stage to be England captain. His game is about getting stuck in and niggling the opposition. Maybe, he'd get as carried away as Farrell and certainly would not be a diplomatic referee empathiser. Assuming that he stays in the side (and he should, IMO), Wilson could have the required clear-headedness under pressure, I'd guess. I don't think I'd want any Saracens player at this point. All of them are better as player-example-leader than captain, IMO.

I'd have Launchbury but I don't think he will be in Jones's 23 when everyone is fit.

Banquo wrote:

Oakboy wrote:

Mellsblue wrote: Don’t think so, possibly for a handful of one off matches. He was u20s capt and captained Saracens to the Anglo-Welsh a year later.

I just wonder if he has sufficient composure at this stage to be England captain. His game is about getting stuck in and niggling the opposition. Maybe, he'd get as carried away as Farrell and certainly would not be a diplomatic referee empathiser. Assuming that he stays in the side (and he should, IMO), Wilson could have the required clear-headedness under pressure, I'd guess. I don't think I'd want any Saracens player at this point. All of them are better as player-example-leader than captain, IMO.

I'd have Launchbury but I don't think he will be in Jones's 23 when everyone is fit.

I think captaincy would calm him down, plus he is an automatic choice imo. That's essential.

Mellsblue wrote:

Banquo wrote:

Oakboy wrote:
I just wonder if he has sufficient composure at this stage to be England captain. His game is about getting stuck in and niggling the opposition. Maybe, he'd get as carried away as Farrell and certainly would not be a diplomatic referee empathiser. Assuming that he stays in the side (and he should, IMO), Wilson could have the required clear-headedness under pressure, I'd guess. I don't think I'd want any Saracens player at this point. All of them are better as player-example-leader than captain, IMO.

I'd have Launchbury but I don't think he will be in Jones's 23 when everyone is fit.

I think captaincy would calm him down, plus he is an automatic choice imo. That's essential.

I think he’s best man for the job. Possibly George, he’s captained the u20’s. I suppose we’re just guessing without watching them within the squad. Itoje certainly seems to have the best CV.
Wilson seems a lot like Farrell to me. Good man to have in the trenches but you don’t want him devising or directing the plan in the heat of battle. They also both have all the attributes of great blindside flankers.

Scrumhead wrote:Yeah, but George has been on the pitch during all of the second half meltdowns and hasn’t had the influence to change things.

Unfortunately, I think the Saracens guys are used to following Farrell’s lead and the non-Saracens players in our pack aren’t realistic choices for captain.