RugbyRebels

Good to see such progress in the last few weeks, Newsnight have Ben Habid on fantasising about the wonderful prospects of no deal (and not just he'll line his own pockets)

Gina Miller looking to advise that any attempt to prorogue Parliament will end up in court, tbh I can't see Boris going this path as it sets a horrible precedent (what if Corbyn formed the next government and wanted to continue in similar vein as a for instance).

At a guess I suspect the courts would decide the PM has the power to prorogue Parliament, but that doing so to force major constitutional change falls outside what's permitted by such allowance, but there is Parliament voted for A50 and have declined any number of attempts to prevent a no deal Brexit, and that has to count for something.

It's not of course just the right who're bonkers when it comes to Brexit, reading this I don't really know if the right reaction is to laugh or vomit

https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2019/07/ ... corbynism/

Digby wrote:It's not of course just the right who're bonkers when it comes to Brexit, reading this I don't really know if the right reaction is to laugh or vomit

https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2019/07/ ... corbynism/

So I take it Dr Jones will be voting Tory then?

Sandydragon wrote:

Digby wrote:It's not of course just the right who're bonkers when it comes to Brexit, reading this I don't really know if the right reaction is to laugh or vomit

https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2019/07/ ... corbynism/

So I take it Dr Jones will be voting Tory then?

I would imagine he has a Socialist Party candidate so he can remain true to the vision for greatness. I can only hope he's given his lectures to teach on a Wednesday so all the sensible kids are off playing sport

Digby wrote:It's not of course just the right who're bonkers when it comes to Brexit, reading this I don't really know if the right reaction is to laugh or vomit

https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2019/07/ ... corbynism/

Wibble!

I love how he notes that "the only path to a Labour government is through Leave-voting seats" while ignoring the fact that committing to Leave would lose them as many to the Lib Dems as they could possibly gain and still leave them electorally adrift. That fact is just brushed airily away.

Puja

Puja wrote:

Digby wrote:It's not of course just the right who're bonkers when it comes to Brexit, reading this I don't really know if the right reaction is to laugh or vomit

https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2019/07/ ... corbynism/

Wibble!

I love how he notes that "the only path to a Labour government is through Leave-voting seats" while ignoring the fact that committing to Leave would lose them as many to the Lib Dems as they could possibly gain and still leave them electorally adrift. That fact is just brushed airily away.

Puja

Yup. He would basically commit Labour to a 3 way dog fight with the Conservatives and the Brexit Party. Trying to out Brexit Farage is not a great idea for anyone sane.

The other option is to choose remain and take on the Liberals, which to be fair makes more sense in an electoral sense.

That said, if the only way Corbyn can get his socialist vision into reality is to leave the EU, then I'm trying really hard to think of a better reason to remain...

Digby wrote:Gina Miller looking to advise that any attempt to prorogue Parliament will end up in court, tbh I can't see Boris going this path as it sets a horrible precedent (what if Corbyn formed the next government and wanted to continue in similar vein as a for instance).

At a guess I suspect the courts would decide the PM has the power to prorogue Parliament, but that doing so to force major constitutional change falls outside what's permitted by such allowance, but there is Parliament voted for A50 and have declined any number of attempts to prevent a no deal Brexit, and that has to count for something.

I think its the Queen who prorogues parliament, when advised to do so by the PM. I doubt Her Maj would be happy at being dragged into that particular constitutional crisis!!

Ultimately, parliament has voted to leave the EU and unless there is a vote overturning the legislation passed then its going to happen, so Boris could just let the clock run down and it becomes Brexit by default, whilst blaming the EU for being intransigent.

The odds on an election in the near future must be shortening given some of the comments in the press recently. I think Boris will really fancy his chances given the current state of Labour. With a tight manifesto that promises jam for all and more personality than May (not entirely difficult) I can see him going for it early before he gets found out.

Puja wrote:

Digby wrote:It's not of course just the right who're bonkers when it comes to Brexit, reading this I don't really know if the right reaction is to laugh or vomit

https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2019/07/ ... corbynism/

Wibble!

I love how he notes that "the only path to a Labour government is through Leave-voting seats" while ignoring the fact that committing to Leave would lose them as many to the Lib Dems as they could possibly gain and still leave them electorally adrift. That fact is just brushed airily away.

Puja

Wibble indeed, the good doctor actually refutes your concern citing an article which states 'Outside of Scotland, hardly any of Labour’s MPs are vulnerable in Remain-voting constituencies.' and if that's not proof you're wrong and not ideologically pure enough in grasping a specific lefty view of the future I don't know what is.

Digby wrote:

Puja wrote:

Digby wrote:It's not of course just the right who're bonkers when it comes to Brexit, reading this I don't really know if the right reaction is to laugh or vomit

https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2019/07/ ... corbynism/

Wibble!

I love how he notes that "the only path to a Labour government is through Leave-voting seats" while ignoring the fact that committing to Leave would lose them as many to the Lib Dems as they could possibly gain and still leave them electorally adrift. That fact is just brushed airily away.

Puja

Wibble indeed, the good doctor actually refutes your concern citing an article which states 'Outside of Scotland, hardly any of Labour’s MPs are vulnerable in Remain-voting constituencies.' and if that's not proof you're wrong and not ideologically pure enough in grasping a specific lefty view of the future I don't know what is.

I stand corrected and will present myself to the doctor for reeducation.

Puja

Sandydragon wrote: With a tight manifesto that promises jam for all and more personality than May (not entirely difficult) I can see him going for it early before he gets found out.

I’m confused. Are you saying the manifesto or Boris will need to have more personality than May? Both are easily achieved but I will need clarification

Mellsblue wrote:

Sandydragon wrote: With a tight manifesto that promises jam for all and more personality than May (not entirely difficult) I can see him going for it early before he gets found out.

I’m confused. Are you saying the manifesto or Boris will need to have more personality than May? Both are easily achieved but I will need clarification

Boris will have more charisma and I don't expect the Torys to make the same mistake on their manifesto again (i.e. stick it to their key vote base).

Sandydragon wrote:

Mellsblue wrote:

Sandydragon wrote: With a tight manifesto that promises jam for all and more personality than May (not entirely difficult) I can see him going for it early before he gets found out.

I’m confused. Are you saying the manifesto or Boris will need to have more personality than May? Both are easily achieved but I will need clarification

Boris will have more charisma and I don't expect the Torys to make the same mistake on their manifesto again (i.e. stick it to their key vote base).

Promising jam for all is the preserve of idiots, we could end up in a right old pickle.

Digby wrote:

Sandydragon wrote:

Mellsblue wrote: I’m confused. Are you saying the manifesto or Boris will need to have more personality than May? Both are easily achieved but I will need clarification

Boris will have more charisma and I don't expect the Torys to make the same mistake on their manifesto again (i.e. stick it to their key vote base).

Promising jam for all is the preserve of idiots, we could end up in a right old pickle.

Seems to be working at the moment though.

Sandydragon wrote:

Digby wrote:

Sandydragon wrote: Boris will have more charisma and I don't expect the Torys to make the same mistake on their manifesto again (i.e. stick it to their key vote base).

Promising jam for all is the preserve of idiots, we could end up in a right old pickle.

Seems to be working at the moment though.

MPs make it harder to shutdown Parliament this autumn, a Downing Street spokesperson says they're disappointed with the number of Tory MPs who voted against the government or abstained, leadership contender Jeremy Hunt meanwhile says he's not quite got the gist of what this voting malarky is all about and he missed a chance to vote with the government owing to confusion on his part, what leadership material he is, or perhaps he's been inspired by all those tales of Sir Boris bravely running away and buggering off whenever a key vote or decision was needed.

Catherine Blaiklock of the Brexit National Party



I'm guessing that "someone" just so happened to be called Steve Bannon, because tours straight out of his playbook of lies.
Please note, not only is the above completely implausible (it's the other way round, NHS will sometimes pay for operations overseas), but Slough General doesn't exist. Also notice, Pakistan is not in the EU

Which Tyler wrote:Catherine Blaiklock of the Brexit National Party



I'm guessing that "someone" just so happened to be called Steve Bannon, because tours straight out of his playbook of lies.
Please note, not only is the above completely implausible (it's the other way round, NHS will sometimes pay for operations overseas), but Slough General doesn't exist. Also notice, Pakistan is not in the EU

There is more sale of NHS services overseas than I believe anyone would like made clear, such is my understanding from speaking to some NHS accountants, but even if politically damaging it's surely still a tiny % of the whole.

In other news Mssr. Farage said that Dominic Cummings of Vote Leave and newly appointed senior advisor to Brave Sir Boris is not a “true believer” in Brexit and suggests that he secretly wants the UK “bound to the EU”.

Digby wrote:

Which Tyler wrote:Catherine Blaiklock of the Brexit National Party



I'm guessing that "someone" just so happened to be called Steve Bannon, because tours straight out of his playbook of lies.
Please note, not only is the above completely implausible (it's the other way round, NHS will sometimes pay for operations overseas), but Slough General doesn't exist. Also notice, Pakistan is not in the EU

There is more sale of NHS services overseas than I believe anyone would like made clear, such is my understanding from speaking to some NHS accountants, but even if politically damaging it's surely still a tiny % of the whole.

In other news Mssr. Farage said that Dominic Cummings of Vote Leave and newly appointed senior advisor to Brave Sir Boris is not a “true believer” in Brexit and suggests that he secretly wants the UK “bound to the EU”.

It seems that there is considerable rivalry between Cummings and Farage. My take on it is that Cummings believes that Farage and his personality cult followers are a bunch of neanderthals who are at best borderline racist, while Farage sees Cummings as a supercilious intellectual.

They’re probably both right.

Stones of granite wrote:

Digby wrote:

Which Tyler wrote:Catherine Blaiklock of the Brexit National Party



I'm guessing that "someone" just so happened to be called Steve Bannon, because tours straight out of his playbook of lies.
Please note, not only is the above completely implausible (it's the other way round, NHS will sometimes pay for operations overseas), but Slough General doesn't exist. Also notice, Pakistan is not in the EU

There is more sale of NHS services overseas than I believe anyone would like made clear, such is my understanding from speaking to some NHS accountants, but even if politically damaging it's surely still a tiny % of the whole.

In other news Mssr. Farage said that Dominic Cummings of Vote Leave and newly appointed senior advisor to Brave Sir Boris is not a “true believer” in Brexit and suggests that he secretly wants the UK “bound to the EU”.

It seems that there is considerable rivalry between Cummings and Farage. My take on it is that Cummings believes that Farage and his personality cult followers are a bunch of neanderthals who are at best borderline racist, while Farage sees Cummings as a supercilious intellectual.

They’re probably both right.

Farage is probably not reminding the government he can be an awkward sod, not when they're busy trying to decide on a new ambassador to the US

Digby wrote:

Stones of granite wrote:

Digby wrote:
There is more sale of NHS services overseas than I believe anyone would like made clear, such is my understanding from speaking to some NHS accountants, but even if politically damaging it's surely still a tiny % of the whole.

In other news Mssr. Farage said that Dominic Cummings of Vote Leave and newly appointed senior advisor to Brave Sir Boris is not a “true believer” in Brexit and suggests that he secretly wants the UK “bound to the EU”.

It seems that there is considerable rivalry between Cummings and Farage. My take on it is that Cummings believes that Farage and his personality cult followers are a bunch of neanderthals who are at best borderline racist, while Farage sees Cummings as a supercilious intellectual.

They’re probably both right.

Farage is probably not reminding the government he can be an awkward sod, not when they're busy trying to decide on a new ambassador to the US

I didn’t think that was a realistic option anyway. Uk Ambassadors are, as far as I know, always promoted from within the Civil Service rather bing political appointees for favours done.

Stones of granite wrote:

Digby wrote:

Stones of granite wrote: It seems that there is considerable rivalry between Cummings and Farage. My take on it is that Cummings believes that Farage and his personality cult followers are a bunch of neanderthals who are at best borderline racist, while Farage sees Cummings as a supercilious intellectual.

They’re probably both right.

Farage is probably not reminding the government he can be an awkward sod, not when they're busy trying to decide on a new ambassador to the US

I didn’t think that was a realistic option anyway. Uk Ambassadors are, as far as I know, always promoted from within the Civil Service rather bing political appointees for favours done.

I don't think they would go for it, but it doesn't stop Nigel wanting the gig, and given the last few years a political appointment over promoting from within the Civil Service wouldn't be welcome but also wouldn't surprise

Digby wrote:There is more sale of NHS services overseas than I believe anyone would like made clear, such is my understanding from speaking to some NHS accountants, but even if politically damaging it's surely still a tiny % of the whole.

Source from my local CCG (so trustworthy, but I don't have access to his figures to verify - is the guy who brought the tweet to my attention; he wasn't happy about it) says about one third of one percent of health care expenditure is on non-residents; almost all of which is emergency care for people in the country for holiday/business. This is chargeable to their personal / travel insurance; and "mostly" recouped.
I didn't pin him down on what "mostly" meant, and I''m not sure if his 0.3% was local or national.
You are right though, that 0.% of a huge figure would end up being a large number

That's now £6.3bn committed to planning for a no-deal Brexit. It seems rather a large amount of money for an outcome that has been described by the clown-in-chief as having a "vanishingly small" probability of happening.

Last figure I read was £240 million a year that hasn’t been recouped.

Mellsblue wrote:Last figure I read was £240 million a year that hasn’t been recouped.

It's okay though - we don't need those pesky EU grants for the homeless - we're sending the money back!