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badback wrote:

Puja wrote:That may be the stupidest penalty I've ever seen given away there. Should be the end of Jonny Hill's England career for the time being.

Puja

He hasn't looked good. Though I guess he thought a try was coming. But maybe thought is a bit generous.

Puja wrote:

badback wrote:

Puja wrote:That may be the stupidest penalty I've ever seen given away there. Should be the end of Jonny Hill's England career for the time being.

Puja

He hasn't looked good. Though I guess he thought a try was coming. But maybe thought is a bit generous.

I think you're thinking of a different one - I'm talking about the one where he merrily swam up the side of a near-stationary maul, moving his arms like he was on the monkey bars, and shaking his hips to make absolutely certain everyone could see he wasn't bound in, before clamping around the ball carrier and making full eye contact with the referee to make sure his point was made.

Puja

fivepointer wrote:Ewels has looked a better player last 2 games. Quicker on his feet and less inclined to commit silly indiscretions.

Digby wrote:

fivepointer wrote:Ewels has looked a better player last 2 games. Quicker on his feet and less inclined to commit silly indiscretions.

Hill has looked up to it at times. And Ewels has to put his hand up as part of a failing scrum which set the tone for a really poor display. Essentially Ewels looked better against France, but not so much today, nobody looked good today.

jngf wrote:

Scrumhead wrote:What a an absolutely sh*t 6 Nations

Still have faith in Eddie now? (sorry bit mean of me of me I know )

On wider point imo time to move on from Farrell, Youngs and Billy Vunipola (who imo is looking past it now and trading on former glories. There’s a poisonous residue from Saracens controversy that’s now infected England side... )

fivepointer wrote:Ewels has looked a better player last 2 games. Quicker on his feet and less inclined to commit silly indiscretions.

Mikey Brown wrote:

Mr Mwenda wrote:Why are decent test matches rationed at one a year?

Decent for who?

Mellsblue wrote:

Digby wrote:

fivepointer wrote:Ewels has looked a better player last 2 games. Quicker on his feet and less inclined to commit silly indiscretions.

Hill has looked up to it at times. And Ewels has to put his hand up as part of a failing scrum which set the tone for a really poor display. Essentially Ewels looked better against France, but not so much today, nobody looked good today.

Bald men fighting over a comb.

Digby wrote:

Mellsblue wrote:

Digby wrote:
Hill has looked up to it at times. And Ewels has to put his hand up as part of a failing scrum which set the tone for a really poor display. Essentially Ewels looked better against France, but not so much today, nobody looked good today.

Bald men fighting over a comb.

Not really, Hill has had many more moments looking like he physically belongs at this level, Ewels over quite a number of caps has been passive in the main. Hill also brings many more stupid moments, but there does seem to be more of a possible upside to Hill.

Puja wrote:

badback wrote:

Puja wrote:That may be the stupidest penalty I've ever seen given away there. Should be the end of Jonny Hill's England career for the time being.

Puja

He hasn't looked good. Though I guess he thought a try was coming. But maybe thought is a bit generous.

I think you're thinking of a different one - I'm talking about the one where he merrily swam up the side of a near-stationary maul, moving his arms like he was on the monkey bars, and shaking his hips to make absolutely certain everyone could see he wasn't bound in, before clamping around the ball carrier and making full eye contact with the referee to make sure his point was made.

Puja

Danno wrote:Itoje, Curry and Wilson were all fine imo. Lawrence did as well as could be expected and Ewels was efficient. Outside that I don't think anyone had a game they will ever want to remember.

FKAS wrote:

Banquo wrote:

fivepointer wrote:
2nd time in 4 seasons . See also 2018.

We had some misfortune today. We had a a very good case for a penalty try in the 10th minute when Ireland collapsed a maul on their goal line. Not given.
We lose Ford and the Farrell in quick succession meaning Robson plays at 10. We lose Billy resulting in a kid coming on in the back row.
Against that we were largely shit. I dont think we engineered a single line break, and failed miserably to get our wingers into the game. Our discipline was again appalling. We looked lethargic and slow witted. we kicked too much - and mostly pretty badly.
A few players seemed to be going through the motions. There was little urgency with or without the ball. We gave the Irish HB's a pretty easy ride.
3 very poor defeats this 6N's is a bad return.

Ford was pulled; we had a 6:2 bench- so utterly self inflicted. And both that and Billy going off was after the game was lost.

You talk about getting wingers intio the game etc etc. That's because we gave away a sh*t load of pens upfront again.

The 6:2 bench was because Malins pulled out though. Ford was a tactical gamble, same as taking Wilson off. Eddie was hoping that Marchant and Earl would offer us more attacking spark.

Digby wrote:

fivepointer wrote:Ewels has looked a better player last 2 games. Quicker on his feet and less inclined to commit silly indiscretions.

Hill has looked up to it at times. And Ewels has to put his hand up as part of a failing scrum which set the tone for a really poor display. Essentially Ewels looked better against France, but not so much today, nobody looked good today.

Oakboy wrote:It is not about this individual or that player. It is about the collective unit being dramatically inconsistent game/on/game. How, why? Something is fundamentally wrong.

Picking the best 23 from the match-day 46 before the French game might have seen, say, 6 or 7 English, yet, on the day, we won. Before today's game, might we have chosen 12 or 13 English players, yet we lost?

Explain.

Scrumhead wrote:

jngf wrote:

Scrumhead wrote:What a an absolutely sh*t 6 Nations

Still have faith in Eddie now? (sorry bit mean of me of me I know )

On wider point imo time to move on from Farrell, Youngs and Billy Vunipola (who imo is looking past it now and trading on former glories. There’s a poisonous residue from Saracens controversy that’s now infected England side... )

I can see your gleeful face right now ...

You were invisible last week after a decent performance so I see no reason to debate with you this week ...

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Mellsblue wrote:

Digby wrote:

Mellsblue wrote: Bald men fighting over a comb.

Not really, Hill has had many more moments looking like he physically belongs at this level, Ewels over quite a number of caps has been passive in the main. Hill also brings many more stupid moments, but there does seem to be more of a possible upside to Hill.

Passive v many stupid moments = bald men fighting over a comb.

morepork wrote:That was pretty grim. No invention or adaptation. On 55 minutes, 15 points behind, and England were faffing about trying to win a scrum penalty on their own 22.