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So a bit of a weird weekend for Boris, not getting married he's used to that, more swearing under oath neither of his previous marriages technically existed. Which granted isn't likely the most offensive thing he's ever done to his ex wives, but still
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Meanwhile from Friday -
Boris Johnson learned that a Tory donor had funded the refurbishment of the Number 11 flat from media reports in late February, it is claimed.
Lord Geidt says Boris Johnson was not aware David Brownlow had settled bill - said to be £200,000 - directly with the supplier on Oct 22.
Lord Geidt mildly censures Johnson for not having a more ‘rigorous regard’ for how the flat would be funded. He says that this was unwise.
He says that the prime minister ‘might reasonably expect’ to be curious about the arrangements.
Matt Hancock committed a ‘technical’ breach of the ministerial code by failing to declare that a family firm -which he has a 20% stake in - had won an NHS contract.
Lord Geidt says in mitigation that Hancock was unaware of contract and that he acted with ‘integrity throughout’
Boris Johnson acted ‘unwisely’ by failing to take more of an interest in who was funding refurb of his Downing Street flat, Lord Geidt finds.
But he castigates officials - who were informed that a Tory donor had paid for it - for not telling the PM, saying he was ‘ill-served’
Simon Case, the Cabinet Secretary, acknowledges the ‘shortcomings’ of officials in failing to tell Boris Johnson that his flat had been paid for by a Tory donor.
As Geidt acknowledges, however, these officials were ‘managing their own very difficult decision questions’
All of which leads to a question: Is it really incumbent on officials to tell the Prime Minister that the cost of refurbishing his flat was met by a Tory donor?
There’s an argument that Lord Geidt is placing a higher burden of probity on officials than he is on the PM himself


Johnson and his shower of a Govt are simply taking the piss. They know they can get away with abuses and breaches so they do. Geidt was specifically brought in to supply the whitewash.
They are openly sneering at us.
We are being played for mugs.
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fivepointer wrote:Meanwhile from Friday -
Boris Johnson learned that a Tory donor had funded the refurbishment of the Number 11 flat from media reports in late February, it is claimed.
Lord Geidt says Boris Johnson was not aware David Brownlow had settled bill - said to be £200,000 - directly with the supplier on Oct 22.
Lord Geidt mildly censures Johnson for not having a more ‘rigorous regard’ for how the flat would be funded. He says that this was unwise.
He says that the prime minister ‘might reasonably expect’ to be curious about the arrangements.
Matt Hancock committed a ‘technical’ breach of the ministerial code by failing to declare that a family firm -which he has a 20% stake in - had won an NHS contract.
Lord Geidt says in mitigation that Hancock was unaware of contract and that he acted with ‘integrity throughout’
Boris Johnson acted ‘unwisely’ by failing to take more of an interest in who was funding refurb of his Downing Street flat, Lord Geidt finds.
But he castigates officials - who were informed that a Tory donor had paid for it - for not telling the PM, saying he was ‘ill-served’
Simon Case, the Cabinet Secretary, acknowledges the ‘shortcomings’ of officials in failing to tell Boris Johnson that his flat had been paid for by a Tory donor.
As Geidt acknowledges, however, these officials were ‘managing their own very difficult decision questions’
All of which leads to a question: Is it really incumbent on officials to tell the Prime Minister that the cost of refurbishing his flat was met by a Tory donor?
There’s an argument that Lord Geidt is placing a higher burden of probity on officials than he is on the PM himself


Johnson and his shower of a Govt are simply taking the piss. They know they can get away with abuses and breaches so they do. Geidt was specifically brought in to supply the whitewash.
They are openly sneering at us.
We are being played for mugs.
Yeah, but 'Get Brexit Done'. Boris can do no wrong in the eyes of some based on that alone. At least for the moment.
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Boris flying to a climate summit, what a plonker (in place of many stronger words).

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The war against checks and balances continues apace.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 68407.html
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"But Chloe Smith, the constitution minister, insisted “the proper place for criminal investigations and prosecutions relating to electoral law is with the police and the Crown Prosecution Service”."

An interesting take given when the police wondered about looking into Boris accidentally giving £100k of public money to Jenny Accuri for 'reasons' the police were told not to look into the matter because if you don't look you can't find anything.
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And just on the Lib Dems getting over the line in the by-election in Chesham and Amersham I'm sort of pleased to see any sort of Lib Dem recovery, but again it's come where the the local candidate has somewhat ignored national policy.

Keir will no doubt be delighted this will trigger days of questions on whether he wants an election deal between the centre and centre-left parties, and indeed whether there's already one in place
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Digby wrote:And just on the Lib Dems getting over the line in the by-election in Chesham and Amersham I'm sort of pleased to see any sort of Lib Dem recovery, but again it's come where the the local candidate has somewhat ignored national policy.

Keir will no doubt be delighted this will trigger days of questions on whether he wants an election deal between the centre and centre-left parties, and indeed whether there's already one in place
Who? Oh, the leader of the opposition...
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Banquo wrote:
Digby wrote:And just on the Lib Dems getting over the line in the by-election in Chesham and Amersham I'm sort of pleased to see any sort of Lib Dem recovery, but again it's come where the the local candidate has somewhat ignored national policy.

Keir will no doubt be delighted this will trigger days of questions on whether he wants an election deal between the centre and centre-left parties, and indeed whether there's already one in place
Who? Oh, the leader of the opposition...
is that Bercow now?
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Digby wrote:
Banquo wrote:
Digby wrote:And just on the Lib Dems getting over the line in the by-election in Chesham and Amersham I'm sort of pleased to see any sort of Lib Dem recovery, but again it's come where the the local candidate has somewhat ignored national policy.

Keir will no doubt be delighted this will trigger days of questions on whether he wants an election deal between the centre and centre-left parties, and indeed whether there's already one in place
Who? Oh, the leader of the opposition...
is that Bercow now?
Ha ha, looks that way. If he thought the Tories would be sad to lose him, and Labour glad to welcome him, he really has lost the plot.
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Banquo wrote:
Digby wrote:
Banquo wrote: Who? Oh, the leader of the opposition...
is that Bercow now?
Ha ha, looks that way. If he thought the Tories would be sad to lose him, and Labour glad to welcome him, he really has lost the plot.
The Tories should be sad to lose him, but they're assuming for now they pay little to no price for losing people who're free market advocates, who're pro business, pro European, and are reasonably socially liberal. If nativism/populism starts to grind to halt they'll be proved wrong, if they can drag the country down a populist/nativist path, well, they'll also I fear be proved wrong, or at least to date no one has made a success of populism and moving towards autocracy, maybe they'll buck that trend.
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Digby wrote:
Banquo wrote:
Digby wrote:
is that Bercow now?
Ha ha, looks that way. If he thought the Tories would be sad to lose him, and Labour glad to welcome him, he really has lost the plot.
The Tories should be sad to lose him, but they're assuming for now they pay little to no price for losing people who're free market advocates, who're pro business, pro European, and are reasonably socially liberal. If nativism/populism starts to grind to halt they'll be proved wrong, if they can drag the country down a populist/nativist path, well, they'll also I fear be proved wrong, or at least to date no one has made a success of populism and moving towards autocracy, maybe they'll buck that trend.
Except he's a jumped up knob. IMO- you extrapolate my meaning too far I think. Though I'm shocked to discover he's an Arsenal fan.
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Banquo wrote:
Digby wrote:
Banquo wrote: Ha ha, looks that way. If he thought the Tories would be sad to lose him, and Labour glad to welcome him, he really has lost the plot.
The Tories should be sad to lose him, but they're assuming for now they pay little to no price for losing people who're free market advocates, who're pro business, pro European, and are reasonably socially liberal. If nativism/populism starts to grind to halt they'll be proved wrong, if they can drag the country down a populist/nativist path, well, they'll also I fear be proved wrong, or at least to date no one has made a success of populism and moving towards autocracy, maybe they'll buck that trend.
Except he's a jumped up knob. IMO- you extrapolate my meaning too far I think.
I like him, though in this I give him little thought, more it perhaps illustrates a wider picture, or maybe not as even throughly pissed off Tories may consider they have nowhere else to go.

He used to be a giant knob, he's actually calmed down an awful lot, though in calming down he's paid something of a political price as he's moved away from what got him the speaker's gig in the first place isolating the support he did have and he's never built a base of support anywhere else, at most for some he was a convenient enemy of my enemy, he never had any actual support for him out of Labour or the Lib Dems, it was just useful to poke the Tories with

No idea if the bullying stories are true, it wouldn't remotely surprise if he was a ranter, most of them are, but he's actually good value in person, even if a bit like Haskell he doesn't exactly mind the attention


Edit - And I had no idea he even liked football, if one hears him talk sport it's tennis, tennis or tennis
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Digby wrote:
Banquo wrote:
Digby wrote:
The Tories should be sad to lose him, but they're assuming for now they pay little to no price for losing people who're free market advocates, who're pro business, pro European, and are reasonably socially liberal. If nativism/populism starts to grind to halt they'll be proved wrong, if they can drag the country down a populist/nativist path, well, they'll also I fear be proved wrong, or at least to date no one has made a success of populism and moving towards autocracy, maybe they'll buck that trend.
Except he's a jumped up knob. IMO- you extrapolate my meaning too far I think.
I like him
I'm not surprised.
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Digby wrote:
Banquo wrote:
Digby wrote:And just on the Lib Dems getting over the line in the by-election in Chesham and Amersham I'm sort of pleased to see any sort of Lib Dem recovery, but again it's come where the the local candidate has somewhat ignored national policy.

Keir will no doubt be delighted this will trigger days of questions on whether he wants an election deal between the centre and centre-left parties, and indeed whether there's already one in place
Who? Oh, the leader of the opposition...
is that Bercow now?
I think the person leading the opposition to the government is Marcus Rashford, isn't it?

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Puja wrote:
Digby wrote:
Banquo wrote: Who? Oh, the leader of the opposition...
is that Bercow now?
I think the person leading the opposition to the government is Marcus Rashford, isn't it?

Puja
It's not an entirely unfair point that Rashford has garnered rather more attention than Starmer. Hard to know how much of that is the pandemic, and how much Starmer has the same political instinct as Gordon Brown when it comes to looking electable.

I don't think Labour know what they want to be and be able to pair that with reality.
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Digby wrote:
Puja wrote:
Digby wrote:
is that Bercow now?
I think the person leading the opposition to the government is Marcus Rashford, isn't it?

Puja
It's not an entirely unfair point that Rashford has garnered rather more attention than Starmer. Hard to know how much of that is the pandemic, and how much Starmer has the same political instinct as Gordon Brown when it comes to looking electable.

I don't think Labour know what they want to be and be able to pair that with reality.
He's also garnered rather more success in reversing government policy. I say that as someone who thinks most of the "Oppose the government" stuff that people are shouting is nonsense which thinks that the Opposition actually has power to stop a government with a stonking majority.
I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person.

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Eugene Wrayburn wrote:
Digby wrote:
Puja wrote:
I think the person leading the opposition to the government is Marcus Rashford, isn't it?

Puja
It's not an entirely unfair point that Rashford has garnered rather more attention than Starmer. Hard to know how much of that is the pandemic, and how much Starmer has the same political instinct as Gordon Brown when it comes to looking electable.

I don't think Labour know what they want to be and be able to pair that with reality.
He's also garnered rather more success in reversing government policy. I say that as someone who thinks most of the "Oppose the government" stuff that people are shouting is nonsense which thinks that the Opposition actually has power to stop a government with a stonking majority.
The only power that one has to stop a government with a stonking majority is to harness public opprobrium when they're doing something maleficent, which Rashford has done admirably despite it not being his job.

I cannot imagine Starmer leading a popular campaign of any kind, let alone through charisma and harnessing the press. He's just kinda there.

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Digby wrote:
Sandydragon wrote:
Digby wrote:Sterling work over the last year or so by Johnson and Patel to protect rapists from prosecution

https://victimscommissioner.org.uk/news ... f-justice/

I suspect they will claim they're not intentionally acting to protect rapists, which would lead one to conclude they merely don't give a shit
Unfortunately this is the pendulum swinging back after the false accusations of child abuse scandals various. However in fairness to the CPS, it’s hard to prosecute a case where there is little evidence , which there often isn’t in rape cases.
It is tough to make a case, but their solution of prosecuting less cases is a shitty answer. We weren't exactly prosecuting 50% before they took a massive step back from the problem. Whether it stems from child abuse accusations proving faulty I don't know, I wouldn't want to say that without some more info, the most I'd be willing to say is the CPS have been told they needed to raise the successful prosecution rate and they did that by refusing to even take forward tougher cases, which as so often happens when presented with a target is middle managers finding a way to meet a target that doesn't actually address a problem

If anyone enjoyed listening to PMQs earlier the piss artist known as Fat B was questioned by Starmer about the failure to act on the worryingly inactive stance taken across the criminal system when it comes to prosecuting rapes, and about the best responses from Fat B were it'd be good to have support from Labour, and that the vaccine rollout has been going well. About a year ago it wouldn't have been entirely unfair to refer to the Conservative leadership as pro rape, a year down the line, a year, and there's little need to be so polite
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Stay home, protect the NHS, save lives. Not unreasonable words, up to and including not being able to say goodbye to dying friends and family.

Unless you're a corrupt cabinet official, in which case by all means give it the full Dominic Cummings, cheat on your wife and claim you can stay in your job because it's not like the PM can fire you for an affair.

Quite simply Boris and Hanock are not failing as members of cabinet, they're failing as humans, utter wastes of oxygen the pair of them
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https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/polit ... te-281381/
No black MPs chosen to speak in Commons racism debate
Thirty MPs are on the call sheet for an urgent question in Parliament this afternoon - but not one of them is black.

Not a single black MP has been chosen to speak in a House of Commons debate about online racist abuse in Parliament on Wednesday afternoon.
Thirty MPs are on the call sheet for an urgent question in Parliament this afternoon – including Labour’s Yvette Cooper, Jeremy Corbyn and Zarah Sultana.
But no black MPs have been selected to participate in the debate, which asks Priti Patel – the home secretary – to “make a statement on the prevalence of racist abuse on social media”.

ARTICLE CONTINUES...
I mean - what would black people know about the racism of white folk?
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Which Tyler wrote:https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/polit ... te-281381/
No black MPs chosen to speak in Commons racism debate
Thirty MPs are on the call sheet for an urgent question in Parliament this afternoon - but not one of them is black.

Not a single black MP has been chosen to speak in a House of Commons debate about online racist abuse in Parliament on Wednesday afternoon.
Thirty MPs are on the call sheet for an urgent question in Parliament this afternoon – including Labour’s Yvette Cooper, Jeremy Corbyn and Zarah Sultana.
But no black MPs have been selected to participate in the debate, which asks Priti Patel – the home secretary – to “make a statement on the prevalence of racist abuse on social media”.

ARTICLE CONTINUES...
I mean - what would black people know about the racism of white folk?
I mean, it's possibly a kindness give the effect that Priti Patel evading questions has upon one's blood pressure.

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Wetherspoons TV (AKA GB News), the anti-cancel channel, who believe to the hilt in free speech, free of consequence; have cancelled Guto Harri as a consequence of his free speech
https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/ ... ee-281631/
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Thundering cunts of hell, I am so sick of the phrase "cancel culture" through which all manner of fuckwittery is promoted for nothing other than to allow racist bigots to make a spurious living peddling utter shit.
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https://www.theguardian.com/australia-n ... en-network
gruniad wrote:Katie Hopkins fined by NSW police and deported from Australia after visa cancelled

Far-right commentator who entered country with support of NSW government to appear on Big Brother fined $1,000 for not wearing a mask


The Australian government has cancelled Katie Hopkins’ visa and deported the far-right commentator after she boasted about breaching hotel quarantine conditions.

The cancellation was announced by the home affairs minister, Karen Andrews, on Monday and followed a decision by Endemol Shine Australia to cancel her contract to appear on Seven Network’s Big Brother VIP. Hopkins was then deported from the country on a Monday afternoon flight.

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Any chance we could refuse to accept her?
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