Puja wrote:Jeremy Hunt has come out saying he will vote against Johnson and Nadine Dorries has lost the plot, attacking him on twitter, including this belter:
I'm wondering if she realises that's still her own party that she's attacking for having wanting and inadequate preparation for the pandemic that killed hundreds of thousands? A fun tweet for the COVID inquiry there.
Plus she's out doing interviews saying that the important thing here is that millionaire donors don't want Johnson removed and that's really what MPs who are worried about electoral consequences should be thinking about.
I'd actively prefer to not have her helping, if I were Boris.
Puja
GoNad has never had a plot, book or even library. Separately though Hunt has made me a little angry with his Field Marshall HIndsight chairmanship of the Health and Social Care Committee and general comments about the pandemic. Disingenuous doesn't even come close- he was the AO (using NHS speak) during the prep time.
I don't get what Hunt's thinking on this is. Surely he can see that he's torpedoing any future leadership aspirations that he might have had? The MPs at large are not going to forgive such an obvious knifing.
Maybe he's realised that he never stood a chance at leadership anyway and is hoping to get in good with the new regime?
He is most definitely the stalking horse. He who wields the knife never wears the crown.
Unless you’re Booj, the rapier prince of centres. He wields the knife whilst wearing the crown.
Mellsblue wrote:He is most definitely the stalking horse. He who wields the knife never wears the crown.
Unless you’re Booj, the rapier prince of centres. He wields the knife whilst wearing the crown.
Puja wrote:Jeremy Hunt has come out saying he will vote against Johnson and Nadine Dorries has lost the plot, attacking him on twitter, including this belter:
I'm wondering if she realises that's still her own party that she's attacking for having wanting and inadequate preparation for the pandemic that killed hundreds of thousands? A fun tweet for the COVID inquiry there.
Plus she's out doing interviews saying that the important thing here is that millionaire donors don't want Johnson removed and that's really what MPs who are worried about electoral consequences should be thinking about.
I'd actively prefer to not have her helping, if I were Boris.
Puja
GoNad has never had a plot, book or even library. Separately though Hunt has made me a little angry with his Field Marshall HIndsight chairmanship of the Health and Social Care Committee and general comments about the pandemic. Disingenuous doesn't even come close- he was the AO (using NHS speak) during the prep time.
I don't get what Hunt's thinking on this is. Surely he can see that he's torpedoing any future leadership aspirations that he might have had? The MPs at large are not going to forgive such an obvious knifing.
Maybe he's realised that he never stood a chance at leadership anyway and is hoping to get in good with the new regime?
I wonder what would happen if Labour proposed a vote of no confidence? How many rebel story MPs would vote against their own government? Probably not all those who voted against Boris tonight but they only need 40 odd.
Sandydragon wrote:I wonder what would happen if Labour proposed a vote of no confidence? How many rebel story MPs would vote against their own government? Probably not all those who voted against Boris tonight but they only need 40 odd.
211-148 is a good result from my perspective. Johnson is is deep trouble, very little chance of bouncing back from this. And yet the Tories have voted to keep this despicable, unfit person as PM, so tarnishing their image further. IMO although there are more respectable alternative Tory leaders (almost anyone really, barring the likes of Patel and Dorries) the most likely to succeed Johnson are probably even more right wing, so watching a lame duck Johnson staggering on, dragging down his party, is the best thing for the opposition.
Son of Mathonwy wrote:211-148 is a good result from my perspective. Johnson is is deep trouble, very little chance of bouncing back from this. And yet the Tories have voted to keep this despicable, unfit person as PM, so tarnishing their image further. IMO although there are more respectable alternative Tory leaders (almost anyone really, barring the likes of Patel and Dorries) the most likely to succeed Johnson are probably even more right wing, so watching a lame duck Johnson staggering on, dragging down his party, is the best thing for the opposition.
shyte for the country tho, which is probably more important short term tbh.
Sandydragon wrote:I wonder what would happen if Labour proposed a vote of no confidence? How many rebel story MPs would vote against their own government? Probably not all those who voted against Boris tonight but they only need 40 odd.
they wouldn't go for it imo as it'd mean a GE.
We may be about to find out as the Lib Dem’s are saying they will table one.
Sandydragon wrote:I wonder what would happen if Labour proposed a vote of no confidence? How many rebel story MPs would vote against their own government? Probably not all those who voted against Boris tonight but they only need 40 odd.
they wouldn't go for it imo as it'd mean a GE.
We may be about to find out as the Lib Dem’s are saying they will table one.
Mellsblue wrote:
We may be about to find out as the Lib Dem’s are saying they will table one.
pretty much the only way of unifying the Tories.
Yep but a clever long term trap by the Lib Dems.
Its a neat problem to solve. If you had no confidence in Johnson as PM then how can you have confidence in his government? Its difficult to square that circle.
I suspect many rebel Tory MPs will discover enough loyalty/ survival instinct to support the government but it may be close. Calling for a vote immediately might not the be best idea though, Id suggest they wait until after the next by-elections when the Tories are in full meltdown.
Banquo wrote:
pretty much the only way of unifying the Tories.
Yep but a clever long term trap by the Lib Dems.
Its a neat problem to solve. If you had no confidence in Johnson as PM then how can you have confidence in his government? Its difficult to square that circle.
I suspect many rebel Tory MPs will discover enough loyalty/ survival instinct to support the government but it may be close. Calling for a vote immediately might not the be best idea though, Id suggest they wait until after the next by-elections when the Tories are in full meltdown.
Quite apart from anything else, it'll be two fewer votes they need to find if they wait until after the by-elections.
Mellsblue wrote:
Yep but a clever long term trap by the Lib Dems.
Its a neat problem to solve. If you had no confidence in Johnson as PM then how can you have confidence in his government? Its difficult to square that circle.
I suspect many rebel Tory MPs will discover enough loyalty/ survival instinct to support the government but it may be close. Calling for a vote immediately might not the be best idea though, Id suggest they wait until after the next by-elections when the Tories are in full meltdown.
Quite apart from anything else, it'll be two fewer votes they need to find if they wait until after the by-elections.
Puja
I very much doubt they are planning on winning the vote.
Son of Mathonwy wrote:211-148 is a good result from my perspective. Johnson is is deep trouble, very little chance of bouncing back from this. And yet the Tories have voted to keep this despicable, unfit person as PM, so tarnishing their image further. IMO although there are more respectable alternative Tory leaders (almost anyone really, barring the likes of Patel and Dorries) the most likely to succeed Johnson are probably even more right wing, so watching a lame duck Johnson staggering on, dragging down his party, is the best thing for the opposition.
shyte for the country tho, which is probably more important short term tbh.
Not convinced the likely alternatives are any better for the country. And I'd sacrifice the short term for a better long term.
What a truly awful, thoroughly flawed human being. As long as that entitled racist misogynist self-serving bullying incompetence-rewarding shit pipe is the major conduit through which the countries leaders are formed, you are fucked. Dear God what a collection of rancid cunts.
Son of Mathonwy wrote:211-148 is a good result from my perspective. Johnson is is deep trouble, very little chance of bouncing back from this. And yet the Tories have voted to keep this despicable, unfit person as PM, so tarnishing their image further. IMO although there are more respectable alternative Tory leaders (almost anyone really, barring the likes of Patel and Dorries) the most likely to succeed Johnson are probably even more right wing, so watching a lame duck Johnson staggering on, dragging down his party, is the best thing for the opposition.
shyte for the country tho, which is probably more important short term tbh.
Not convinced the likely alternatives are any better for the country. And I'd sacrifice the short term for a better long term.
Son of Mathonwy wrote:211-148 is a good result from my perspective. Johnson is is deep trouble, very little chance of bouncing back from this. And yet the Tories have voted to keep this despicable, unfit person as PM, so tarnishing their image further. IMO although there are more respectable alternative Tory leaders (almost anyone really, barring the likes of Patel and Dorries) the most likely to succeed Johnson are probably even more right wing, so watching a lame duck Johnson staggering on, dragging down his party, is the best thing for the opposition.
shyte for the country tho, which is probably more important short term tbh.
Not convinced the likely alternatives are any better for the country. And I'd sacrifice the short term for a better long term.
