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Sandydragon wrote:Allegedly Boris wanted Truss to be chancellor but Zahawi threatened to quit if he didn’t get it. Boris is literally hanging on by the finger tips.

But I have a feeling he will survive. Unless some more big names step down tomorrow then he can continue and ride out the next year (assuming the 1922 doesn’t change the rules and there are no motions of no confidence that Tory MPs support).

Zhivago wrote:

Sandydragon wrote:Allegedly Boris wanted Truss to be chancellor but Zahawi threatened to quit if he didn’t get it. Boris is literally hanging on by the finger tips.

But I have a feeling he will survive. Unless some more big names step down tomorrow then he can continue and ride out the next year (assuming the 1922 doesn’t change the rules and there are no motions of no confidence that Tory MPs support).

My guess is his backbenchers will revolt against him and he'll threaten/launch an election if they don't toe the line.

Which Tyler wrote:27 resignations in 21 hours

Sandydragon wrote:She is the 7th education secretary in 8 years. That’s utterly appalling. Arguably education should be one of the top offices.

She also wanted to be an MP at the age of 6. I felt no need to read further as that alone should disqualify her from any public office.

Puja wrote:

Outstanding.

Puja

Puja wrote:Please let Boris call an election in a fit of pique. Please.

Puja

Sandydragon wrote:It’s one of those days where I can’t get enough of BBC News 24! Will he, won’t he? Popcorn anyone?

Mikey Brown wrote:I’m so confused. Even if he goes he’s just going to replaced by some equally awful piece of shit, while Starmer continues to just exist and little more. Everything will continue to be terrible forever, right?

What are you all so hopeful of happening here? Don’t get me wrong I wish all the misfortune in the world on Johnson, but what of significance is likely to change here?

Puja wrote:I'm somewhat torn about the no-confidence vote.

On the one hand, Boris Johnson may be the least competent Prime Minister in living memory. He has no morals, no principles, lies with such ease and frequency that it's hard to tell if he's actively and maliciously deceiving or just saying what seems easiest and most populist to him at the time to keep people liking him, regardless of whether it has any basis in fact. He's a man with such a frightening combination of low wisdom and high ego that, as foreign minister, he couldn't be stopped from showing off that he'd memorised "The Bells of Mandalay" (a Kipling poem glorying the British Empire's conquering of then Burma, now Myan Mar, by the motif of a British soldier reminiscing on the Burmese girl he'd fucked and how she still wanted him), while on a state visit to one of the most sacred temples in Myan Mar, despite the ambassador literally standing next to him saying, "Not a good idea, Boris." He *kept* *going* despite someone telling him not to, because he wanted to show off a thing he knew! He has so many flaws that I can't even fit them into one post.

Surely, by that metric, the country is better with him gone as quickly as possible.

On the other hand, the Conservative party as a whole is a blight on the UK right now - more interested in stoking culture wars to hang onto power than abiding by any principles that they might lay claim to, and the sheer possibility of Liz Truss or Priti Patel taking over makes my blood run cold. Is it better to hope that Boris wins, continues to blunder, and the country votes the whole lot of them out at the next election?

Two and a half years is a long time though, both in terms of the damage that Boris could do (especially in throwing red meat policies at his base to try and win back favour), and in terms of Boris's incredible ability to avoid consequences and win public favour despite his dizzying list of inadequacies. He wins this and he could end up not only fucking the country for another 2.5 years, but 7.5 years and longer.

I think, from my thoughts in typing this out, it's better to hope to have him go now. Better the bird in the hand and the hope that someone slightly better will take control (as the best of a bad bunch, I'd take Sajid Javid, although (almost) anyone'd be better than Truss).

morepork wrote:Well that escalated quickly. What a shambles. Are there any public servants in power that, you know, actually serve the public?

Sandydragon wrote:Just a thought. What if Boris tells his MPs to fuck off and before the rules can be changed, goes to the palace and requests parliament be dissolved?

Would the queen agree? Can she not?

If she does, would the Tory MPs have time to elect a new leader? I’d suggest not. The et would have to back him or just refuse to campaign for him.

And what happens if the conservatives have a majority afterwards (not impossible)?

Will Boris roll the dice? Most PMs would do the right thing and step down. But Boris only cares about himself and our constitution can be so very vague at times.

Sandydragon wrote:Boris ain’t quitting. He’s just sacked Gove.

Puja wrote:Boris Johnson saying he has to stay as Prime Minister, because if he goes, then a Labour/SNP coalition of chaos will bring in proportional representation and lock the Conservatives out of power.

Once again, I'm really wishing we had the version of Labour that exists in the panic of right-wingers rather than the version we actually have who would do precisely none of the cool things that we're threatened they would.

Also, it's a really weird flex to say, "If people were actually given what they voted for, we'd not see power again for decades, so we must stop it at all costs." I mean, it's probably true, but you probably shouldn't be saying it out loud.

Puja

Puja wrote:Boris Johnson saying he has to stay as Prime Minister, because if he goes, then a Labour/SNP coalition of chaos will bring in proportional representation and lock the Conservatives out of power.

Once again, I'm really wishing we had the version of Labour that exists in the panic of right-wingers rather than the version we actually have who would do precisely none of the cool things that we're threatened they would.

Also, it's a really weird flex to say, "If people were actually given what they voted for, we'd not see power again for decades, so we must stop it at all costs." I mean, it's probably true, but you probably shouldn't be saying it out loud.

Puja

Puja wrote:Boris Johnson saying he has to stay as Prime Minister, because if he goes, then a Labour/SNP coalition of chaos will bring in proportional representation and lock the Conservatives out of power.

Once again, I'm really wishing we had the version of Labour that exists in the panic of right-wingers rather than the version we actually have who would do precisely none of the cool things that we're threatened they would.

Also, it's a really weird flex to say, "If people were actually given what they voted for, we'd not see power again for decades, so we must stop it at all costs." I mean, it's probably true, but you probably shouldn't be saying it out loud.

Puja