Way too early RWC Squad

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General Zod wrote:https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/49541590

Bbc take on it. Doesn’t acknowledge that Kinghorn has significant experience at full back, but other than that it’s a decent read.

Having read a few articles now and doing my best not to work, I think Hastings is indeed vulnerable. Would be a big call, but I guess that’s Toony’s Job.
All those including Barclay aren't doing so for performance reasons.

There does seem to be a lot of smoke regarding Hastings position. Maybe there is a fire after all.
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Thistle pod tweet:
Hearing from some credible sources that Toony is going with Johnson, Taylor, Horne and Harris as his World Cup centres...
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FFS.
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So Harris gets in on 1 try and Taylor on managing to stay uninjured for 50 minutes in the last 2 years?
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Magnus Bradbury and Matt Fagerson missing out too according to Rugby Pass.
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Does make you wonder what any of Hutchinson, Fagerson or Bradbury were actually meant to achieve by being in Georgia. The first 2 had very good games I thought and the 3rd was brought over with an injury for what reason?
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I have it on good authority that Kinghorn is going as Ireland have announced they are going to take Hogg out in the first ten minutes of the game...

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Can we recall Hines and just take POM out first?
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What time is it announced tomorrow? Might arrange a “meeting” for it.
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I know it's Toony & so you can only expect the unexpected, but that would be a big call.

I'm also not convinced that three locks is viable; I don't think our scrummaging is solid enough to countenance anything other than two specialist 2nd-rows in there.
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I think some of the journals are getting carried away with versatility too. Virtually all our centres can cover somewhere else and our tens have both played centre or full back at international level. Our wings have mostly played 15 too. In that context I don't think Harris's ability to cover on the wing makes much difference. Equally, I'd be as happy with Cummings or Tools as a emergency 6 as with parachuting Swindon in just because he has played there.
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Big D wrote:Magnus Bradbury and Matt Fagerson missing out too according to Rugby Pass.
So WTF was Bradbury brought along for?
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hugh_woatmeigh wrote:
Big D wrote:Magnus Bradbury and Matt Fagerson missing out too according to Rugby Pass.
So WTF was Bradbury brought along for?
Only rumours. Players don't know yet so all speculation.
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Another rumour doing the rounds is that there is an inclusion in the squad from outside of the original training squad....
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Cameo wrote:I think some of the journals are getting carried away with versatility too. Virtually all our centres can cover somewhere else and our tens have both played centre or full back at international level. Our wings have mostly played 15 too. In that context I don't think Harris's ability to cover on the wing makes much difference. Equally, I'd be as happy with Cummings or Tools as a emergency 6 as with parachuting Swindon in just because he has played there.
Annoys me a bit as well. I get the need for utility players and versatility in a 31 man squad over a short period of time is an important consideration.
But as the BBC article puts it "how many utility players do you need?" - afterall, they can only play one position at a time!
The trap is that we weaken a strong position by omitting a specialist for the sake of covering 3 positions....moderately.

Take centres (and use Horne and Harris as it's the fashionable thing to do just now!)
Harris has shown him to be comparable to Jones.....on poor form. And absolutely light years behind Jones' best form. Would you really want Harris (or current Taylor) in the squad to cover wing just because they can and have specialists like Jones and Graham miss out?
Horne can play 12 reasonably well, but shouldn't be ahead of Johnson and can cover 10...barely adequately. As we saw most recently in Paris.

Contingency plan for the worst by all means, but let's make primary plan around the best we want to happen.

Every game won't be require resources like Twickenham 2017!
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hugh_woatmeigh wrote:Another rumour doing the rounds is that there is an inclusion in the squad from outside of the original training squad....
That is Richie Gray or no one, surely. Or would Swinson count?

Anyway, fun to have a bit of controversy about
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hugh_woatmeigh wrote:Another rumour doing the rounds is that there is an inclusion in the squad from outside of the original training squad....
Maybe your Ross Ford dream isn’t over.
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Mikey Brown wrote:
hugh_woatmeigh wrote:Another rumour doing the rounds is that there is an inclusion in the squad from outside of the original training squad....
Maybe your Ross Ford dream isn’t over.
Yes! The guy is a try machine!
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/49563533

BBC suggesting what we've all been hearing. ie. cutting all our carriers from the backrow (except the brain damaged Kiwi) and our two best attackers from midfield. Sounds so obvious now I've written it like that.

Can't quite tell from this if Graham/Kinghorn both made it?
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Mikey Brown wrote:https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/49563533

BBC suggesting what we've all been hearing. ie. cutting all our carriers from the backrow (except the brain damaged Kiwi) and our two best attackers from midfield. Sounds so obvious now I've written it like that.

Can't quite tell from this if Graham/Kinghorn both made it?
Genuinely baffled by the centres in this suggested squad (and I now believe there must be truth to it). Johnson and Taylor is a good potential partnership although they have never played together. Rarely seen Johnson or Horne play 13 so if Taylor misses a game we are playing a world cup game with Chris Harris as our starting 13! This is at a time when we have some of the best centres I have seen playing for Scotland.

Taylor has only played 50 minutes in the last year too!
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That faint hissing you hear is the sound of the optimism escaping from Scotland supporters World Cup expectations balloon.
Actually, what started as a hiss with the back row was more like explosive decompression when the centres were rumoured.
What was the point of the warm up games other than an opportunity to get injured? Performance, never mind fleeting appearance seems to have had no bearing.
With our famed struggles against physical opposition & Ireland NZ/SA on the horizon of course you pick a jack of all trades medium weight set of breakaways.
We might still see the fastest rugby on the planet...it could just be mostly backwards.
Oh well, at least we have some potent, try scoring create something out of nothing centres to choose from... Instead the 2019 era relative equivalents of De Luca & Di Rollo + 50 minutes of a guy whose occasionally good (national) form was last seen 2 years & several injuries ago.

Of course we are not privy to how well players are training. We only see what happens in the pitch...& it is there not the training ground where our fate will be decided. This selection seems to have little correlation with recent evidence.

Congratulations to those selected. They don't select themselves & will doubtless do their best. The coach could have done better.
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If true, poor selections and the warm ups have been utilised badly. Will support them regardless.

Huw Jones is indeed out of form but he was given little chance to play him into form - his performance ceiling is so much higher than someone like Harris.

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Duncan Weir in for Adam Hastings!!
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Also a really poor leak from within the SRU. Announcement isn't for 2 hours yet this level of detail has been leaked already. Pretty annoying.
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hugh_woatmeigh wrote:If true, poor selections and the warm ups have been utilised badly. Will support them regardless.

Huw Jones is indeed out of form but he was given little chance to play him into form - his performance ceiling is so much higher than someone like Harris.

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Exactly. If (as you alluded to before) Hutchinson was simply too inexperienced to ever make the trip, regardless of performance, then why not either on getting Taylor/Jones back to their previous best or give Harris more time to see if he can really hack it?

It just doesn't add up.

Similarly I thought Fagerson really looked to grow into his role. Even having someone who can reliably catch a restart and go forward is worth a spot on its own as we are fucking atrocious in that area.
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