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& meanwhile SA U21 beat France U21 37-14 the day before the seniors beat them by the same score. Curiouser and curiouser...

Nations holding both Men's and Women's Rugby World Cups at the same time?

1. New Zealand, 2017, 18, 19.

To take it a step further, the RWC, Womens RWC, U20 WC, Sevens RWC and Womens Sevens RWC are all in the NZRU trophy cabinet. Plus the Bledisloe and a few other minor bits of metal, I'm sure.

zer0 wrote:To take it a step further, the RWC, Womens RWC, U20 WC, Sevens RWC and Womens Sevens RWC are all in the NZRU trophy cabinet. Plus the Bledisloe and a few other minor bits of metal, I'm sure.

Holy crap! Pretty awesome.

zer0 wrote:To take it a step further, the RWC, Womens RWC, U20 WC, Sevens RWC and Womens Sevens RWC are all in the NZRU trophy cabinet. Plus the Bledisloe and a few other minor bits of metal, I'm sure.

...such as The Rugby Championship, Freedom Cup, Dave Gallaher Trophy and Hillary Shield.* I'm not sure there is any current trophy for which an NZ rep team is eligible that we don't hold. Mind you that is only because unlike SA and Aust, we don't have a trophy at stake with the Lions.

The only other sides that have beaten the All Blacks in at least one test but with whom we do not compete for bilateral trophy are Ireland and Wales. Depending on the rules that might be applied, Ireland could have been the holder of such a trophy** after drawing what might be seen as a 2 match series last year. As for Wales, probably the less said the better about the need for such a trophy over the last 60 years.

*And of course the Raeburn Shield
**It's a shame that "Dave Gallaher Trophy" has been used for the French. Gallaher was born in Ireland, and died in France. Althought there have been 4 other Irish-born All Blacks, none were capped in tests. We would have to go for a Kiwi-born Irishman, althought I'm not sure that "Isaac Boss Cup" has the same ring to it.

No problems personally with the Dave Gallaher Trophy. Captain of the Originals back in the day when, presumably, about half the Pakeha population was British or Irish born. & at least they named it after a rugby player and not some racist twat from British history who had precisely zero to do with the game (which has occurred a few times in recent decades).

I just mean it's a shame that DG's name is not available for a bilateral trophy with the Irish.

Sure, I understood that. & while I had no objection to teams competing for silverware, I would hate to see trophies being presented in order to consolidate regular ties between the elite international teams. I realize they're already playing each other practically every season these days - often more than once - but that shouldn't be set in stone if the game has a future beyond its very limited traditional environs.

To answer a question on another thread...

Overseas win percentages by Super Rugby teams
Crusaders 54/97, 55.7%
Hurricanes 44/90, 48.9%
Highlanders 38/92 41.3%
Chiefs 37/91, 40.7%
Blues 36/89, 40.4%
Stormers 32/83, 38.6%
Brumbies 39/105, 37.1%
Sharks 33/91, 36.3%
Warratahs 35/104, 33.7%
Kings 4/12, 33.3%
Reds 28/100, 28.0%
Force 15/55, 27.3%
Jaguares 4/15, 26.7%
Bulls 17/85, 20.0%
Lions 15/81, 18.5%
Cheetahs 9/51, 17.6%
Rebels 2/29, 6.9%
Sunwolves 0/15, 0.0%

That's some quality wum stattage Liz.

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J Dory wrote:That's some quality wum stattage Liz.

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How so?

Saturday will be the All Blacks’ 4th test in New Plymouth where they are undefeated so far:
2008 NZ 101 v Samoa 14
2010 NZ 66 v Ireland 28
2013 NZ 24 v France 9

Tonga has awarded test caps against non-capped NZ sides twice at this ground, losing both matches:
1975 NZ Maori 23 v Tonga 16
2006 Junior All Blacks 38 v Tonga 10

Neutral tests have been staged here in various tournaments:
2006 PNC Samoa 53 v Japan 9
2011 RWC Ireland 22 v USA 10
2011 RWC USA 13 v Russia 6
2011 RWC Wales 81 v Namibia 7

zer0 wrote:To take it a step further, the RWC, Womens RWC, U20 WC, Sevens RWC and Womens Sevens RWC are all in the NZRU trophy cabinet. Plus the Bledisloe and a few other minor bits of metal, I'm sure.

Ta Daaaa!!



All five Rugby World Cups.

Sh*t is good, man.

This weekend South Africa will play its 43rd away game* against the All Blacks, looking for just their 10th win. Although not great, this is still the best record of a visiting team in New Zealand:

SA: 9 wins, 2 draws from 42 = 23.80%
Lions: 7 wins, 4 draws from 41 = 21.95%
Aust: 17 wins, 1 draws from 82 = 21.34%
France: 4 wins from 28 = 14.28%
England: 2 wins from 15 = 13.33%
Everyone else: 0.00%

It will be SA’s second away game in NZ not held at the principal ground of a major centre** following their 2009 win in Hamilton.

*Not including 3 RWC matches on neutral territory
**Carisbrook, Eden Park, Athletic Park, Lancaster Park/Jade Stadium, Cake Tin, Forsyth Barr, Rugby League Park

Lizard wrote:

zer0 wrote:TI'm not sure there is any current trophy for which an NZ rep team is eligible that we don't hold.

Olympic medals aren't don't count then

Well medals aren't trophies, so yes.

The only ones anybody really cares about are the World Cup, the 6 Nations and the Olympic 7s. We got one, aren't eligible for another, and Fiji got the third.

Ross. S wrote:

Lizard wrote:

zer0 wrote:TI'm not sure there is any current trophy for which an NZ rep team is eligible that we don't hold.

Olympic medals aren't don't count then

Fair point. I'd rather have 7s World Cups than Olympic gold though.

rowan wrote:The only ones anybody really cares about are the World Cup, the 6 Nations and the Olympic 7s. We got one, aren't eligible for another, and Fiji got the third.

"We"?

and we have two world cups. The mens and de weemins.

morepork wrote:

rowan wrote:The only ones anybody really cares about are the World Cup, the 6 Nations and the Olympic 7s. We got one, aren't eligible for another, and Fiji got the third.

"We"?

and we have two world cups. The mens and de weemins.

You old Neanderthal!

I must say tho, that this table is something beautiful to behold: http://www.bbc.com/sport/rugby-union/wo ... -cup/table

All Blacks hit 57 last time they played the Springboks too, I believe. It's becoming a habit.

Looking at team wins scoring 50+ while keeping a clean sheet, Argentina are well ahead with 17, all against other South American opposition.

Japan and Romania are second equal with 8. Japan's are all against other Asian teams but Romania's list includes some North African oppo a well as Europeans.

Of the "tier 1 nations", NZ leads with 5 (5th= overall with Fiji and Hong Kong) - once against each of the Pacific Islands, Ireland and now SA. NZ are the only team to achieve this feat twice against tier 1 opposition.

England has 4 (Arg, Netherlands, Romania, Canada).

On 3 are Aussie (England, Tonga, Namibia), Ireland (v Rom, Geo, Can), SA (v Italy, Namibia, USA), Wales (v Spain, Japan, Fiji).

On the other side of the ledger, of the top sides, Argentina, SA, England, Ireland and Wales have all been on the receiving end.

Of course, South Africa's 0-44 win over Scotland in 1951 would have been 0-62 by today's scoring values, with 9 tries, 7 conversions and a drop-goal. Not a single penalty, because in those days there were far fewer than today, in spite of all kinds of efforts to reverse the trend, including changing the scoring values. So that 0-44 win stood out among lopsided results among the leading playing nations of the amateur era, and was only surpassed during the shamateur and early pro eras when basically still amateur Home Unions headed Down Under to be torn asunder.

Also, I'm not sure how low you are prepared to go with this, but Guatemala beat El Salvador 114-0 a month or so ago, while Namibia blanked Senegal 95-0 in the African Gold Cup in July and Portugal beat Moldova 59-0 in the ENC 2nd division March - and I'm sure I could dig up plenty more examples from bygone years if I had a few months available to do the research . . .