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fivepointer wrote:Funnily enough when i first watched the game I thought Youngs was simply mediocre but not disastrously bad.
Having rewatched the game I can now amend that to regard his performance was considerably worse than I thought originally. He was shite. Some of his dithering, delivery and abject decision making - not to mention his non defence which led to 2 tries - were the pits.
Anyone who says there is no one else demanding selection i simply say that performances like this demand his non selection.

Bloody hell, 5P, you are a glutton for punishment.

The simple fact is that if Youngs was correctly identified as poor and the decision made that we HAD to find better, we just might. (And, as for Heinz, I'd simply prefer his clubmate, Simpson.)

p/d wrote:

Puja wrote:And the basketball pass into touch was special

I want him to do it against Scotland. 3 games on a trot!!!

What a bundle of joy you are!

On a serious note, with no squad changes, what is your prediction for Saturday? My old flatmate from university days is Scottish. We are still good mates 54 years later and I fear he is going to give me a bloody hard time on Sunday.

Oakboy wrote:

fivepointer wrote:Funnily enough when i first watched the game I thought Youngs was simply mediocre but not disastrously bad.
Having rewatched the game I can now amend that to regard his performance was considerably worse than I thought originally. He was shite. Some of his dithering, delivery and abject decision making - not to mention his non defence which led to 2 tries - were the pits.
Anyone who says there is no one else demanding selection i simply say that performances like this demand his non selection.

Bloody hell, 5P, you are a glutton for punishment.

The simple fact is that if Youngs was correctly identified as poor and the decision made that we HAD to find better, we just might. (And, as for Heinz, I'd simply prefer his clubmate, Simpson.)

Marge, Homer or Bart? All better than Youngs tbh

Grandpa I assumed

Oakboy wrote:

p/d wrote:

Puja wrote:And the basketball pass into touch was special

I want him to do it against Scotland. 3 games on a trot!!!

What a bundle of joy you are!

On a serious note, with no squad changes, what is your prediction for Saturday? My old flatmate from university days is Scottish. We are still good mates 54 years later and I fear he is going to give me a bloody hard time on Sunday.

Hello, Oaky, your avatar is nice, but where's the old one ?

tigran wrote:

Oakboy wrote:

p/d wrote:
I want him to do it against Scotland. 3 games on a trot!!!

What a bundle of joy you are!

On a serious note, with no squad changes, what is your prediction for Saturday? My old flatmate from university days is Scottish. We are still good mates 54 years later and I fear he is going to give me a bloody hard time on Sunday.

Hello, Oaky, your avatar is nice, but where's the old one ?

I've had a few and the mods banned the secretary that showed a hint of nipple. Was that the one you meant?

Oakboy wrote:

p/d wrote:

Puja wrote:And the basketball pass into touch was special

I want him to do it against Scotland. 3 games on a trot!!!

What a bundle of joy you are!

On a serious note, with no squad changes, what is your prediction for Saturday? My old flatmate from university days is Scottish. We are still good mates 54 years later and I fear he is going to give me a bloody hard time on Sunday.

Can’t see past us winning. That said a defeat again if he fields the same back row would be welcome

p/d wrote:

Oakboy wrote:

p/d wrote:
I want him to do it against Scotland. 3 games on a trot!!!

What a bundle of joy you are!

On a serious note, with no squad changes, what is your prediction for Saturday? My old flatmate from university days is Scottish. We are still good mates 54 years later and I fear he is going to give me a bloody hard time on Sunday.

Can’t see past us winning. That said a defeat again if he fields the same back row would be welcome

word is Curry to repeat on us....

Oakboy wrote:

tigran wrote:

Oakboy wrote:
What a bundle of joy you are!

On a serious note, with no squad changes, what is your prediction for Saturday? My old flatmate from university days is Scottish. We are still good mates 54 years later and I fear he is going to give me a bloody hard time on Sunday.

Hello, Oaky, your avatar is nice, but where's the old one ?

I've had a few and the mods banned the secretary that showed a hint of nipple. Was that the one you meant?

AH ah ah ! I don't remember if there were a nipple ...

Look, Youngs was poor. But...I do sincerely believe that he is being told to play like that.

Jones likes everything to be controlled and precise. He doesn't seem to like play that's "off the cuff". So he wants his 9 to wait until everyone is where they should be before playing the ball.

But in the third quarter, when we were around the French 22, Joseph was waiting for the ball 3 times in a row and stuttering forward each time as Youngs first reached for the ball (Joseph starts run, stops because Youngs didn't pass), then he started to pick up (Joseph starts again, before stopping because Youngs hasn't passed yet), then he takes a step and drops the ball into the hands of a stationary forward who flops to the floor 1 metre away.

It's dire. And I can't put all the blame for it on Youngs. Eddie needs to take the blame.

Stom wrote:Look, Youngs was poor. But...I do sincerely believe that he is being told to play like that.

Jones likes everything to be controlled and precise. He doesn't seem to like play that's "off the cuff". So he wants his 9 to wait until everyone is where they should be before playing the ball.

But in the third quarter, when we were around the French 22, Joseph was waiting for the ball 3 times in a row and stuttering forward each time as Youngs first reached for the ball (Joseph starts run, stops because Youngs didn't pass), then he started to pick up (Joseph starts again, before stopping because Youngs hasn't passed yet), then he takes a step and drops the ball into the hands of a stationary forward who flops to the floor 1 metre away.

It's dire. And I can't put all the blame for it on Youngs. Eddie needs to take the blame.

I certainly think it's Jones's way or no way. Maybe that restricts his selections to 'yes-men'? It might explain a few. Unfortunately, of course, by definition almost, it has to lower the team unit's ceiling. There could be credible justification if Jones's methods produced consistency but we are turning into a 'Jeckyl and Hyde' outfit to rival the France team of the last decade or more. The irony is that Edwards just might achieve the consistency for the French that we now lack.

Jones may be a touch eccentric but the notion that he wants his SH to play like a drain seems a tad far fetched.

I don't think we're inconsistent, if anything me problem is we're too consistent. We have a model about how we attack and defend given the seeming long standing concerns Eddie has that we're essentially crap at rugby. If we're able to impose our model/style on the game we go well and if not we struggle

Worth keeping in mind we've just lost back to back games against the only sides in world rugby likely to put out more physical packs, at best others are on a par.

Digby wrote:I don't think we're inconsistent, if anything me problem is we're too consistent. We have a model about how we attack and defend given the seeming long standing concerns Eddie has that we're essentially crap at rugby. If we're able to impose our model/style on the game we go well and if not we struggle

Worth keeping in mind we've just lost back to back games against the only sides in world rugby likely to put out more physical packs, at best others are on a par.

Spot on, though I’d say we do worse than struggle if we fail to impose or fall off plan a even marginally - we can fall apart.

I'm not sure how many of you follow these already or just find the guy annoying, but there's always some good insight and some pretty funny bits too.

Right. Hadn't actually watched that video when I posted it. I'm 8 minutes in and it's very good.

Adds an interesting bit of context to a) Ford is too quiet b) Ford threw a stupid pass to May out on the right when he had nowhere to go.

It is good. I find the style a touch irritating at times but he is mostly spot on. He's a a bit harsh on Furbank. The guy was on debut and didnt settle that well but you have to cut a player a bit of slack in a generally misfiring team.

Excellent analysis. On both sides

I like to believe this is exactly how Diggers minute by minute thread would be if accompanied by visuals

fivepointer wrote:It is good. I find the style a touch irritating at times but he is mostly spot on. He's a a bit harsh on Furbank. The guy was on debut and didnt settle that well but you have to cut a player a bit of slack in a generally misfiring team.

That’s Captain Furbank if you please

fivepointer wrote:It is good. I find the style a touch irritating at times but he is mostly spot on. He's a a bit harsh on Furbank. The guy was on debut and didnt settle that well but you have to cut a player a bit of slack in a generally misfiring team.

True, but I don't think it was entirely saying it's Furbank's fault (his debut, away in the rain against a fired up France) or that he won't improve at this level.

I guess the reality is Daly perhaps got too experienced at playing 15 for England to continue there.

Very Good- I like the point about speed of AP v test rugby, and a bit of perspective on what we did.
Ben Youngs 'more of a useless twat than he already is'...lol. He really is poor these days.
Embarrassing for Jones on the flying maul crap.
Doesn't half show up how unintelligent some of our players are.
Lt George Furbank lolz....
Dors- have a look at the stuff on Ford, especially the May on his own bit.

fivepointer wrote:It is good. I find the style a touch irritating at times but he is mostly spot on. He's a a bit harsh on Furbank. The guy was on debut and didnt settle that well but you have to cut a player a bit of slack in a generally misfiring team.

I think the salient point- and it was my fear beforehand- of that on Furbank, tache aside, is the pace of test rugby came as a shock. It seems to surprise a lot of our players from time to time.

Banquo wrote:Very Good- I like the point about speed of AP v test rugby, and a bit of perspective on what we did.
Ben Youngs 'more of a useless twat than he already is'...lol. He really is poor these days.
Embarrassing for Jones on the flying maul crap.
Doesn't half show up how unintelligent some of our players are.
Lt George Furbank lolz....
Dors- have a look at the stuff on Ford, especially the May on his own bit.

Yep. Also whether France will be fit enough to play the Edwards way throughout the tournament

I still don't know how Kruis failed to get the ball down but the rest of it was thought provoking.

The part where Ford is waving his arms in anger was just what I have been whingeing about for ages. Can he not shout loud enough? Do the other players like ignoring him? Why is he not getting his way in such an obvious scenario? Are they programmed to only listen to Farrell?

Other questions, the video did not answer.

What did Underhill contribute, for example? Was he stymied by not having Curry to share the work with or did he just have a bad game?

Another thought, has Jones buggered up Daly completely by picking him at FB or can he rediscover his form as one of the best wingers in the game?

Banquo wrote:Very Good- I like the point about speed of AP v test rugby, and a bit of perspective on what we did.
Ben Youngs 'more of a useless twat than he already is'...lol. He really is poor these days.
Embarrassing for Jones on the flying maul crap.
Doesn't half show up how unintelligent some of our players are.
Lt George Furbank lolz....
Dors- have a look at the stuff on Ford, especially the May on his own bit.

Was typing a post before seeing this. I think it confirms some of what we have both been saying about Ford. He simply has to be given a run without Farrell in the 23 and with a different SH, IMO. It won't happen till Jones goes, I suspect.