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Goode versus Brown makes this quite interesting!
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Some very daring selections there. Singleton over McGuigan and Buchanan is bold, as is Earle over Yarde. Should be a fun game.

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Mikey Brown wrote:I thought Ellis was mainly a flanker too? Alongside two more flankers on the bench?
He is but he came through age group primarily as a lock (I think) and can play there. Jones also sees Beaumont as an option at lock.
Yep, he came through as a lock, but last summer dropped 2 stone and worked on his flexibility to become a specialist flanker; where he's been used on both sides of the scrum. At Bath he's about 3rd choice of our backrows who fill-in-at-lock (behind Garvey and Douglas) - making him 7th choice lock?

I'd have though Beaumont is covering an injury at lock, with Ellis cover BSF or any changes needed in the last 5-10 minutes.
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Ah, Buchanan, Schonert and Yarde are all not considered through injury - that explains that. Also not considered because of injury was Mills, but I don't think that changed the XXIII at all.

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Just noticed something - co-captains.... now where have I seen (and derided) that idea before?
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Is Ellis really behind Douglas @ 6?

He has really impressed me this season.
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BARBARIANS (v England, Twickenham, May 28, 3pm)

15 Alex Goode (Saracens & England) 21 caps
14 Timoci Nagusa (Montpellier & Fiji) 24
13 Yann David (Toulouse & France) 4
12 Frans Steyn (Montpellier & South Africa) 53
11 Adam Ashley-Cooper (Bordeaux-Begles & Australia) 116
10 Ian Madigan (Bordeaux-Begles & Ireland) 30
9 Kahn Fotuali’i (Bath Rugby & Samoa) 31
1 Mikheil Nariashvili (Montpellier & Georgia) 41
2 Richard Hibbard (Gloucester & Wales) 41
3 Census Johnston (Toulouse & Samoa) 59
4 Patricio Albacete (Toulouse & Argentina) 57
5 Jeremy Thrush (Gloucester & New Zealand)12
6 Thierry Dusautoir (Toulouse & France, captain) 80
7 Steffon Armitage (Pau & England) 5
8 Facundo Isa (Lyon & Argentina) 25

Replacements

16 Schalk Brits (Saracens & South Africa) 10
17 Ben Franks (London Irish & New Zealand) 47
18 WP Nel (Edinburgh & Scotland) 15
19 Joe Tekori (Toulouse & Samoa) 34
20 Gillian Galan (Toulouse)
21 Ruan Pienaar (Ulster & South Africa) 88
22 Robbie Fruean (Bath Rugby)
23 Horacio Agulla (Castres & Argentina) 63

That's as good a BaaBaas side as we've seen in this fixture for a number of years.
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Oof ... that's one hell of a side for such a green team to be taking on!
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fivepointer wrote:BARBARIANS (v England, Twickenham, May 28, 3pm)

15 Alex Goode (Saracens & England) 21 caps
14 Timoci Nagusa (Montpellier & Fiji) 24
13 Yann David (Toulouse & France) 4
12 Frans Steyn (Montpellier & South Africa) 53
11 Adam Ashley-Cooper (Bordeaux-Begles & Australia) 116
10 Ian Madigan (Bordeaux-Begles & Ireland) 30
9 Kahn Fotuali’i (Bath Rugby & Samoa) 31
1 Mikheil Nariashvili (Montpellier & Georgia) 41
2 Richard Hibbard (Gloucester & Wales) 41
3 Census Johnston (Toulouse & Samoa) 59
4 Patricio Albacete (Toulouse & Argentina) 57
5 Jeremy Thrush (Gloucester & New Zealand)12
6 Thierry Dusautoir (Toulouse & France, captain) 80
7 Steffon Armitage (Pau & England) 5
8 Facundo Isa (Lyon & Argentina) 25

Replacements

16 Schalk Brits (Saracens & South Africa) 10
17 Ben Franks (London Irish & New Zealand) 47
18 WP Nel (Edinburgh & Scotland) 15
19 Joe Tekori (Toulouse & Samoa) 34
20 Gillian Galan (Toulouse)
21 Ruan Pienaar (Ulster & South Africa) 88
22 Robbie Fruean (Bath Rugby)
23 Horacio Agulla (Castres & Argentina) 63

That's as good a BaaBaas side as we've seen in this fixture for a number of years.
Not as scary as it could have been though. Also, don't they have two tightheads on the bench? Can one of Nel or Franks play 1?

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Tigersman wrote:Is Ellis really behind Douglas @ 6?

He has really impressed me this season.
No, he's behind Douglas at lock; sorry if I was unclear on that.
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Robshaw and Underhill playing left and right? ;)
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jngf wrote:Robshaw and Underhill playing left and right? ;)
Basically yes ...

Let's see how Underhill lives up to the hype. I would have preferred to see Ben Curry.
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Our entire starting XV has 250 caps. AAC has nearly half of that on his own!!
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Mikey Brown wrote:I fucking love that backrow and midfield, which feels slightly weird to say about an England team.

Who is captain?
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jngf wrote:Robshaw and Underhill playing left and right? ;)
Or, you know, just playing in the positions they are in... where they both play all the time.

How is it you've already written off Underhill as not being seveny enough?
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jngf wrote:Robshaw and Underhill playing left and right? ;)
Or, you know, just playing in the positions they are in... where they both play all the time.

How is it you've already written off Underhill as not being seveny enough?
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Lizard wrote:Baabaas squad so far:
Backs: Bundee Aki (Connacht), Adam Ashley-Cooper (Bordeaux Begles & Australia), Yann David (Toulouse and France), Will Genia (Stade Francais & Australia), Maxime Medard (Toulouse & France), Ruan Pienaar (Ulster & South Africa), Charles Piutau (Ulster & New Zealand).

Forwards: Patricio Albacete (Toulouse & Argentina), Steffon Armitage (Pau & England), Thierry Dusautoir (Toulouse & France), Corey Flynn (Glasgow Warriors & New Zealand), Facundo Isa (Lyon & Argentina), Census Johnston (Toulouse & Samoa), Joe Tekori (Toulouse & Samoa), Jeremy Thrush (Gloucester & New Zealand).
Not a bad selection of players, I suppose. I suspect that this will be one of those years where we get a tonking from the Baabaas.

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There are some old legs in that side.
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Changes to England bench -
TEAM UPDATE | Will Spencer and Tom Curry have been called up as replacements in place of Tom Ellis and Ben Curry
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Huh. Shenanigans, do we think? England's initial teamsheet did show a 10 man bench - maybe they were trying to negotiate that with the Barbarians and couldn't get it through?

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Exciting team to watch but think they might be on the wrong end of a lot of pain if the Baabaas are taking it seriously.
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Given eddie's history - probably injured in training
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Just realised Ellis Genge is the only tight five starter not to be at least 10 years younger than his opposite man.
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Yikes
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TheNomad wrote:Yikes
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Peej wrote:Goode versus Brown makes this quite interesting!
Goode vs. Evil?
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