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Re: Saints vs Leicester
Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2017 11:24 am
by bitts
Banquo wrote:bitts wrote:Expecting George Ford to rip Saints apart. He looks like he's got his running game back and Saints looked clueless against Loz last week.
arf. Though not Ford's fault (bar he and Youngs dumb ass failed grubbers), Tigers were rank.
Read a Healy article ages ago saying that Ford made a mistake going back to TIgers because their pack isn't good enough anymore.
He may have had a point. The gulf between Lawes and the Tigers second and back row was massive.
Re: Saints vs Leicester
Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2017 11:25 am
by Tigersman
Banquo wrote:Tigers have major problems 4-8, lack of quality. Back line may come together, but see 4-8.....
Personally I rate Barrow @ 4 and Williams @ 6.
Like say
1) Genge
2) McGugian
3) Cole
4) Barrow
5)
6) Williams
7) Evans
8)
Add in a Big nasty lock @ 5 and a nasty aggressive attacking 8 and that could be a hell of a pack.
It's all about balance something our pack is really missing.
Re: Saints vs Leicester
Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2017 11:29 am
by Raggs
Isn't Barrow supposed to be a big nasty lock though? If he's not the big nasty lock, which one is he?
Re: Saints vs Leicester
Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2017 11:40 am
by Tigersman
Raggs wrote:Isn't Barrow supposed to be a big nasty lock though? If he's not the big nasty lock, which one is he?
I want two though, we need a carrying one.
Lineouts IMO is down to coaching again IMO but i don't rate Blaze. Personally think Tigers need to sign a forwards coach and a lineout specfic coach who can coach the seniors, Development, Juniors and Loughborough like Stanko does with the scrum.
Re: Saints vs Leicester
Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2017 12:03 pm
by Mikey Brown
bitts wrote:Banquo wrote:bitts wrote:Expecting George Ford to rip Saints apart. He looks like he's got his running game back and Saints looked clueless against Loz last week.
arf. Though not Ford's fault (bar he and Youngs dumb ass failed grubbers), Tigers were rank.
Read a Healy article ages ago saying that Ford made a mistake going back to TIgers because their pack isn't good enough anymore.
He may have had a point. The gulf between Lawes and the Tigers second and back row was massive.
Yeah, looking at the way the Bath pack are playing and at the service he's getting I would be thinking that too if I were him.
Re: Saints vs Leicester
Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2017 12:07 pm
by Tigersman
He wanted out of bath regardless of who it was he just preferred Tigers.
Re: Saints vs Leicester
Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2017 6:09 pm
by Banquo
Puja wrote:Oakboy wrote:Timbo wrote:Leicester's pack need a rocket. So passive in phase play...and really shit lineout 2 games running.
Much better from Saints, let's hope they don't have to get dicked before we see a good performance again. Lawes brilliant as per.
Perhaps, the Itoje at 6 debate should simply cease with the shirt going to Lawes.
I don't think looking competent against this Leicester back row should really be the benchmark...
Puja
quite, I actually thought he was being over-lauded tbh
Re: Saints vs Leicester
Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2017 6:33 pm
by Banquo
Digby wrote:Banquo wrote:Tigers have major problems 4-8, lack of quality. Back line may come together, but see 4-8.....
I was expecting more from their locks than this, if not their back row. It is possible of course that Leicester have done more preseason gym work than most with a view to performing later in the season, and they'll start to come good in another 3 rounds, but much more of this and they'll be struggling for a top 4 spot, and maybe even top 6
I don't think any amount of gym work can lead to an augmentation of the 'talent' I saw. Plus the non treatment of Ryan was an utter disgrace. If they ended up in court, it wouldn't go well.
Re: Saints vs Leicester
Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2017 6:33 pm
by Banquo
bitts wrote:Banquo wrote:bitts wrote:Expecting George Ford to rip Saints apart. He looks like he's got his running game back and Saints looked clueless against Loz last week.
arf. Though not Ford's fault (bar he and Youngs dumb ass failed grubbers), Tigers were rank.
Read a Healy article ages ago saying that Ford made a mistake going back to TIgers because their pack isn't good enough anymore.
He may have had a point. The gulf between Lawes and the Tigers second and back row was massive.
said the same on another thread
Re: Saints vs Leicester
Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2017 6:35 pm
by Timbo
At one stage Kitchener was seemingly 5/6th in line for England. Last couple of years he's completely failed to kick on, probably regressed.
Re: Saints vs Leicester
Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2017 6:37 pm
by Banquo
Tigersman wrote:Banquo wrote:Tigers have major problems 4-8, lack of quality. Back line may come together, but see 4-8.....
Personally I rate Barrow @ 4 and Williams @ 6.
Like say
1) Genge
2) McGugian
3) Cole
4) Barrow
5)
6) Williams
7) Evans
8)
Add in a Big nasty lock @ 5 and a nasty aggressive attacking 8 and that could be a hell of a pack.
It's all about balance something our pack is really missing.
They, along with their mates, were pants yesterday. But you are saying you could have a hell of a pack if you added in two top players, if your 2nd team 7 comes good, and if your 4 and 6 play better than they did yesterday. There's a few sides could say that
Re: Saints vs Leicester
Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2017 8:55 pm
by iLovett
Genge was brilliant, would like to see him, George and sinkler developed for England
Re: Saints vs Leicester
Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2017 9:43 pm
by 16th man
iLovett wrote:Genge was brilliant, would like to see him, George and sinkler developed for England
He was, but he needs looking after, he's playing a hell of a lot of rugby for a young prop. He's going to end up going the way of Corbs' if he's not managed right.
Re: Saints vs Leicester
Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2017 9:57 pm
by Digby
iLovett wrote:Genge was brilliant, would like to see him, George and sinkler developed for England
And we'd still have the best carrier amongst the front row options in Mako to include in addition
Re: Saints vs Leicester
Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2017 9:57 pm
by Banquo
16th man wrote:iLovett wrote:Genge was brilliant, would like to see him, George and sinkler developed for England
He was, but he needs looking after, he's playing a hell of a lot of rugby for a young prop. He's going to end up going the way of Corbs' if he's not managed right.
Saints tried to wind him up mercilessly...he didn't bite much.
Vunipola M too needs looking after, great talent.