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Good stop gap whilst looking for a long term DOR. There's definitely a niche for that sort of thing these days.

Puja wrote:1998 was 20 years ago and we were building good players out of Fritz van Heerden and Dave Lougheed back then.

Puja

excellent riposte. Though on reflection, both FVH and Lougheed were capped internationals by the time they joined Tigers for 2 seasons from 98.

Cockerill is head coach- does that mean he is DOR, ie hiring and firing and developing a pipeline of players?

Banquo wrote:Cockerill is head coach- does that mean he is DOR, ie hiring and firing and developing a pipeline of players?

Probably not, but maybe. The two roles do seem to be often combined unless clearly split.

Raggs wrote:

Banquo wrote:Cockerill is head coach- does that mean he is DOR, ie hiring and firing and developing a pipeline of players?

Probably not, but maybe. The two roles do seem to be often combined unless clearly split.

Therein lies the issue, as they are roles requiring differing skills, and not many have them.

This is an interesting point re. Quins.

As a DoR, I think Kingston does have some good qualities.

If we got rid of Mapletoft and some of the other coaches who are too close to the club and brought in a good coaching team from outside, I think we’d be much better off.

Kingston is also not the guy to put in front of the media. The right head coach would help with that too.

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Tigersman wrote:

Digby wrote:

Mauger wasn't even given a chance. Like Loffreda the mistake might have been in giving him the job in the first place, unlike Loffreda it would seem Mauger did at least know what he wanted to do, but he got not support from the 'We are Leicester' tribal elements

Mauger was given a chance he just didn't have the right game plan for up north. He had two seasons here pretty much and he was in as much fault as Cockers for it.
Mauger backs game plan was hope Veainu does something, and the forwards became so passive when he was here, Tigers where going down hill before he came but Cockers at least kept the forwards physical.

Cockers seems to have done a good job at Edinburgh. They are now a pretty competitive team in the Pro 14, which they were not until he came along, and capable of beating any other team in that league (e.g. the mighty Leinster) on the day. Fair play to him.

Cockers is a great coach IMO, But unfortunately things can get stale after 10+ years at the same club.
In his last 4 years at Tigers the ability of the forwards in the loose had gone down alot.
He had alot of chances to sign some players to improve that I mean he was the one who signed Kalamafoni to improve our 8 position which sums up alot of our issues.

He signed too many cheaper players Fonua, Bai, Loamanu, Camacho, etc etc instead of playing youth or looking to pay for top quality. It worked for alot of players (Steve Mafi for example) but once it stopped working we just ended up with half a squad of journeymen.

Edinburgh is prob a good fit because the SRU will play a hand into signings and limit the amount of non-SQP journeymen. He's a good Head coach but he isn't the type of person to want a DOR above him which is why having a union ahead of him works for the best IMO.

I think most coaches, no matter how good, have a shelf life and 10 years would seem a good stint to me. There are exceptions - churn of players and/or coaches underneath and an ability to adapt with the times - but I’d suggest shelf life will catch up with even the very best eventually.