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Re: England v Barbarians
Posted: Fri May 25, 2018 11:11 am
by Mellsblue
Please tell me Daly - Brown is an admin error.
Re: England v Barbarians
Posted: Fri May 25, 2018 11:12 am
by Banquo
fivepointer wrote:Quilter Cup: England side to play Barbarians
15 Elliot Daly (Wasps)
14 Jonny May (Leicester Tigers)
13 Henry Trinder (Gloucester Rugby)
12 Piers Francis (Northampton Saints)
11 Mike Brown (Harlequins)
10 George Ford (Leicester Tigers)
9 Ben Youngs (Leicester Tigers)
1 Joe Marler (Harlequins)
2 Jack Singleton (Worcester Warriors)
3 Kyle Sinckler (Harlequins)
4 Elliott Stooke (Bath Rugby)
5 Joe Launchbury (Wasps)
6 Chris Robshaw (Harlequins)
7 Tom Curry (Sale Sharks)
8 Zach Mercer (Bath Rugby)
Finishers
16 George McGuigan (Leicester Tigers)
17 Ellis Genge (Leicester Tigers)
18 Nick Schonert (Worcester Warriors)
19 Josh Beaumont (Sale Sharks)
20 Mark Wilson (Newcastle Falcons)
21 Dan Robson (Wasps)
22 Danny Cipriani (Wasps)
23 Denny Solomona (Sale Sharks)
Was about to say, fair play. But then spotted Brown at 11! Seriously, wtf. Unless its a typo between he and Daly
Re: England v Barbarians
Posted: Fri May 25, 2018 11:22 am
by fivepointer
"Mike Brown (Harlequins) will play on the left wing, with Elliot Daly (Wasps) wearing the number 15 jersey"
Its real enough. On the one hand, good that Daly is given a go at 15, but MB on the wing.....
Re: England v Barbarians
Posted: Fri May 25, 2018 11:25 am
by Banquo
fivepointer wrote:"Mike Brown (Harlequins) will play on the left wing, with Elliot Daly (Wasps) wearing the number 15 jersey"
Its real enough. On the one hand, good that Daly is given a go at 15, but MB on the wing.....
nuts. I'd support giving the 1st choice back three time together in position, or trying a new combo, but this is Frankensteins version
Re: England v Barbarians
Posted: Fri May 25, 2018 11:26 am
by Scrumhead
Hmm - I suspect it’s to accommodate Cipriani coming on at 15 and Daly moving back to the wing later on.
Other than that, I like the team. It’s a nice, balanced back row and I’m pleased to see Trinder starting.
I’d have preferred Te’o at 12 over Francis but I guess they’d prefer the same dual playmaker system to the first XV.
Re: England v Barbarians
Posted: Fri May 25, 2018 11:31 am
by Banquo
Scrumhead wrote:Hmm - I suspect it’s to accommodate Cipriani coming on at 15 and Daly moving back to the wing later on.
Other than that, I like the team. It’s a nice, balanced back row and I’m pleased to see Trinder starting.
I’d have preferred Te’o at 12 over Francis but I guess they’d prefer the same dual playmaker system to the first XV.
double error whammy
Re: England v Barbarians
Posted: Fri May 25, 2018 11:48 am
by Which Tyler
I can only assume that it's one of
A] "Numbers don't matter" and they'll chop and change
B] That he doesn't want Brown on the bench in case Daly is cruelly exposed (wants to be able to make changes without using a sub)
C] The plot has been well and truly lost, and there's just no way back from here.
Re: England v Barbarians
Posted: Fri May 25, 2018 11:55 am
by Puja
fivepointer wrote:Quilter Cup: England side to play Barbarians
15 Elliot Daly (Wasps)
11 Mike Brown (Harlequins)
Lolwut
Puja
Re: England v Barbarians
Posted: Fri May 25, 2018 11:56 am
by Digby
If England stick with the same attack shape in any serious game picking a team like that they'll need to move the ball much faster than normal without seeing errors creep in. There's Sinckler and Genge on the bench who offers a carrying game that's overtly physical, and that's it. It doesn't perhaps much matter in this game, but it also doesn't answer questions as to what to do we want to achieve in attack and how do we think we can do that
Re: England v Barbarians
Posted: Fri May 25, 2018 11:57 am
by Stom
Yeah, I also glossed over Mikey's name...
Err...
At least it means Drunken Denny is only on the bench...
The backrow looks good, too
Actually, there's only really 2 issues with that team, 11 and 12. Which is pretty damn good.
Re: England v Barbarians
Posted: Fri May 25, 2018 12:05 pm
by Puja
Banquo wrote:fivepointer wrote:"Mike Brown (Harlequins) will play on the left wing, with Elliot Daly (Wasps) wearing the number 15 jersey"
Its real enough. On the one hand, good that Daly is given a go at 15, but MB on the wing.....
nuts. I'd support giving the 1st choice back three time together in position, or trying a new combo, but this is Frankensteins version
On reflection, I'd rather have Brown on the wing than Solomona. So needs must as the devil drives. Makes a mockery out of not calling up Nowell though.
Puja
Re: England v Barbarians
Posted: Fri May 25, 2018 12:10 pm
by Puja
Stom wrote:Yeah, I also glossed over Mikey's name...
Err...
At least it means Drunken Denny is only on the bench...
The backrow looks good, too
Actually, there's only really 2 issues with that team, 11 and 12. Which is pretty damn good.
I was fully expecting Redpath to play 12 for this game. It seems ideal - chuck him in to see what he can do and whether he can be 2018's Giteau as a late charge for Fazlet's backup. If he's not playing here, what's the point in him going on tour at all?
Puja
Re: England v Barbarians
Posted: Fri May 25, 2018 12:12 pm
by fivepointer
Redpath is crocked according to RugbyInsideLine.
Francis and Trinder in shootout to get a place on tour it seems.
Re: England v Barbarians
Posted: Fri May 25, 2018 12:14 pm
by Which Tyler
Puja wrote:I was fully expecting Redpath to play 12 for this game. It seems ideal - chuck him in to see what he can do and whether he can be 2018's Giteau as a late charge for Fazlet's backup. If he's not playing here, what's the point in him going on tour at all?
Given that he was having surgery on his knee yesterday; it's unlikely that he'll be going on tour to anywhere - unless it's a beach-side rehab clinic.
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/exclusiv ... cl-injury/
Re: England v Barbarians
Posted: Fri May 25, 2018 12:18 pm
by Digby
Stom wrote:
Actually, there's only really 2 issues with that team, 11 and 12. Which is pretty damn good.
I don't see how this team continues to play the England attack system and contests well in any serious game, maybe it is just a team for a BaaBaas game and nothing more should be read into it
Re: England v Barbarians
Posted: Fri May 25, 2018 12:23 pm
by Mikey Brown
Riiiiight.
Re: England v Barbarians
Posted: Fri May 25, 2018 12:42 pm
by Puja
Which Tyler wrote:Puja wrote:I was fully expecting Redpath to play 12 for this game. It seems ideal - chuck him in to see what he can do and whether he can be 2018's Giteau as a late charge for Fazlet's backup. If he's not playing here, what's the point in him going on tour at all?
Given that he was having surgery on his knee yesterday; it's unlikely that he'll be going on tour to anywhere - unless it's a beach-side rehab clinic.
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/exclusiv ... cl-injury/
Well fuck.
Hopefully Trinder will get his place on tour. We need an outside centre who isn't a fly-half or Te'o.
Puja
Re: England v Barbarians
Posted: Fri May 25, 2018 12:57 pm
by Mikey Brown
Puja wrote:Which Tyler wrote:Puja wrote:I was fully expecting Redpath to play 12 for this game. It seems ideal - chuck him in to see what he can do and whether he can be 2018's Giteau as a late charge for Fazlet's backup. If he's not playing here, what's the point in him going on tour at all?
Given that he was having surgery on his knee yesterday; it's unlikely that he'll be going on tour to anywhere - unless it's a beach-side rehab clinic.
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/exclusiv ... cl-injury/
Well fuck.
Hopefully Trinder will get his place on tour. We need an outside centre who isn't a fly-half or Te'o.
Puja
Trinder is a winger now I'd say. Get him in the 15 shirt.
Re: England v Barbarians
Posted: Fri May 25, 2018 1:03 pm
by morepork
Jesus christ, another 10 playing 12?
Re: England v Barbarians
Posted: Fri May 25, 2018 1:13 pm
by Mikey Brown
What was he actually good at when he was with the Blues? He doesn't really look commanding enough to be a 10 but a good all rounder, sort of like why Slade wasn't as suited at 10, and looks sort of fine at 12. Not sure what has got him in there except being a Kiwi. Played at Edinburgh too and was pretty similar.
Re: England v Barbarians
Posted: Fri May 25, 2018 1:25 pm
by Tigersman
morepork wrote:Jesus christ, another 10 playing 12?
Francis was always a 12 being disguised as a 10 for Saints, hence the Bigger signing.
He played well in Argentina in the centres.
Re: England v Barbarians
Posted: Fri May 25, 2018 2:13 pm
by Timbo
If Brown is on the wing against South Africa i’ll be concerned. But given that Eddie quite reasonably wants to look at Daly as a 15 in a low pressure game, but also needs to get some game time into his (probable) first choice fullback, the selection makes sense. If Brown is required to play that first test against South Africa and doesn’t start this weekend, he won’t have started a game for 5 weeks.
Re: England v Barbarians
Posted: Fri May 25, 2018 2:15 pm
by Timbo
Puja wrote:Banquo wrote:fivepointer wrote:"Mike Brown (Harlequins) will play on the left wing, with Elliot Daly (Wasps) wearing the number 15 jersey"
Its real enough. On the one hand, good that Daly is given a go at 15, but MB on the wing.....
nuts. I'd support giving the 1st choice back three time together in position, or trying a new combo, but this is Frankensteins version
On reflection, I'd rather have Brown on the wing than Solomona. So needs must as the devil drives. Makes a mockery out of not calling up Nowell though.
Puja
Nowell is having surgery this summer, so not considered to tour.
Re: England v Barbarians
Posted: Fri May 25, 2018 2:20 pm
by morepork
Fair enough if he is normally a 12. He was a steady as they go sort of chap at the Bloos, not really anywhere near an international I would have thought. Not really given him much attention because the Bloos have been so bad for years.
Eddie's accommodation of Brown by putting him on the wing is just bizarre though. Looks like you will be sticking to an ultraconservative game plan for the foreseeable future.
Re: England v Barbarians
Posted: Fri May 25, 2018 2:32 pm
by Banquo
Which Tyler wrote:Puja wrote:I was fully expecting Redpath to play 12 for this game. It seems ideal - chuck him in to see what he can do and whether he can be 2018's Giteau as a late charge for Fazlet's backup. If he's not playing here, what's the point in him going on tour at all?
Given that he was having surgery on his knee yesterday; it's unlikely that he'll be going on tour to anywhere - unless it's a beach-side rehab clinic.
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/exclusiv ... cl-injury/
aargh, bad luck for the lad. ATB