Tigers Vs Chiefs

[Puja]

Perhaps Dickson has special consideration for Ashton (tried to phrase that carefully) - 100 tries etc. The way that he ran off (chortling?) to signal the penalty try finished him as a referee in my eyes.

...okay, I'll bite. What exactly did you see in his running style that offended you?

Puja

Just the apparent satisfaction implied!

You are reading a lot into a little run. Frankly, I thought he looked more embarrassed than satisfied and, lacking categorical evidence of any 'chortling', I'm loath to accuse a referee of bias or of revelling in sending someone off. It's a hard enough job, with few enough willing takers, as it is, without that kind of imputation.

Puja

[Puja]

I’ve read all of the discussion on here regarding this tackle, and I remain baffled as to why this is the first time I’ve ever seen this offence penalised in this situation in over 40 years of watching rugby.

I believe there was another example in the URC. Think it was a Glasgow game, though memory is a tad hazy.

Referenced a touch earlier in the thread, with video: viewtopic.php?p=294251#p294251

Puja

[fivepointer]

Nowell wasnt the only player to voice an opinion but it does raise an issue: should current players be openly critical of refereeing decisions?

[Puja]

Nowell wasnt the only player to voice an opinion but it does raise an issue: should current players be openly critical of refereeing decisions?

No, and rugby inside line can fuck off with that opinion too. There is an ever-increasing shortage of people willing to referee, at all levels, and it's caused by the creeping acceptability of complaining about the referee. Football is further along the road than we are, but it's sheer arrogance to think that our game can't go there too.

Clear case of bringing the game into disrepute, especially since Nowell's opinion is shit. Dickson is correct on two fronts - firstly because he's followed the letter of the law, and secondly because the referee's decision is final and bitching about it is not what players should be doing.

Puja


ETA. Watson got a 1 match ban for doing similar the other year (suspended on the basis that he had to go and do community work acknowledging respect for referees), so I'd expect Nowell to get similar unless he eats biscuits impolitely in the hearing.

[Mellsblue]

[stepsider]

To paraphrase Voltaire, I wholly agree with what Nowell said but wholly disagree with his right to say it.

Dickson is a consistent nightmare of a ref, though.

[Danno]

To paraphrase Voltaire, I wholly agree with what Nowell said but wholly disagree with his right to say it.

Dickson is a consistent nightmare of a ref, though.

He has every right to say it. And gets to feel the consequences of what he says.

Think I've said before that I'm relieved that Dickson is English. Can he spend a few se easons in the T14 now tho

[Oakboy]

To paraphrase Voltaire, I wholly agree with what Nowell said but wholly disagree with his right to say it.

Dickson is a consistent nightmare of a ref, though.

Two 'aside' points in the DT seem pertinent. One, when the rugby authorities took no action against Erasmus they set a precedent. Two, had Nowell said 'worst law ever', rather than 'worst decision' no action would have followed.

Rapping Nowell's knuckles might be seen as right and proper for the general good of referees and refereeing but rugby authorities need to alter that law immediately for the greater good of the game. It might even go down well if they were to apologise for creating the ridiculous situation whereby Dickson was correct.

[fivepointer]

Players openly criticising refs is a bad look that the game has to take action on. those in the game know this and have a responsibility to act with restraint.
My issue is why Nowell alone is being singled out when others have been critical too.
The law could be tweaked to allow players to go off their feet in an attempt top stop a try being scored. I dont think what Woodburn did was at all unreasonable or dangerous so making it formally permissable seems a perfectly rational step.

[Mikey Brown]

Players openly criticising refs is a bad look that the game has to take action on. those in the game know this and have a responsibility to act with restraint.
My issue is why Nowell alone is being singled out when others have been critical too.
The law could be tweaked to allow players to go off their feet in an attempt top stop a try being scored. I dont think what Woodburn did was at all unreasonable or dangerous so making it formally permissable seems a perfectly rational step.

Have other players been as direct in their criticism, in the sense they are clearly criticising Dickson?

I saw the clip back for the millionth time and actually felt it looked a more reasonable penalty (thus yellow, thus red) decision. If that was a close game and a match winning 80th minute try is prevented by a player diving off their feet on to a tackled player it would seem like a legitimate complaint. Would it have occurred to Leicester/Ashton or any of us though? I'm not sure.

I watched the rugby pod clip where they discuss it and showed a related clip where Esterhuizen was tap tackled before the line, another player then dived on him, on the floor, and he knocked the ball on. I remember watching and just thinking he was unlucky, I didn't even consider it being a penalty, yet I am routinely infuriated by players not being allowed to get up when sliding to recover a loose ball.

I wonder to those urging consistency if this rule was consistently enforced now how it would be received.

[Puja]

I still maintain the issue is not the validity of the penalty offence, but the fact that it feels wrong for Woodburn to have been red carded for it. If Woodburn wasn't already on a yellow and that'd just been 10 minutes and a penalty try, I don't think anyone would still be talking about it. Unusual decision, technically right, huh I'd never thought about it like that, move on.

The problem is the fact that 2 yellows still equal a red, as was reasonable back in the 90s when a yellow was a warning for "please stop punching people where I can see you" and had no immediate impact on the game.

Puja

[p/d]

Poor decision. Still think Dickson went out of his way to ensure the end result was reached.

As for Nowell. Well the curse of social media, no great surprise. Have no sympathy for anyone who uses Twitter to vent. Up there with those who post pics of a plate with some fecking food on it!!! Arse

[fivepointer]

Nowell gets clobbered with a 10K fine plus he has to attend a referees course.

[Mellsblue]

he has to attend a referees course.

I enjoyed this.

[Mikey Brown]

May be a future in refereeing for him? Good knowledge of the breakdown, but has he got the pace to keep up with play?

[FKAS]

Poor decision. Still think Dickson went out of his way to ensure the end result was reached.

Ensure that a penalty try was awarded or that the game went the way it did?

[p/d]

Poor decision. Still think Dickson went out of his way to ensure the end result was reached.

Ensure that a penalty try was awarded or that the game went the way it did?

Don’t be so precious FKAS!!! The penalty try. Tigers were head and shoulders better than Exe, and that decision wouldn’t have changed the outcome

[Puja]

Poor decision. Still think Dickson went out of his way to ensure the end result was reached.

Ensure that a penalty try was awarded or that the game went the way it did?

Don’t be so precious FKAS!!! The penalty try. Tigers were head and shoulders better than Exe, and that decision wouldn’t have changed the outcome

Is the penalty try decision wrong though? It's a penalty offence that stopped a probable try.

Puja

[francoisfou]

Think I've said before that I'm relieved that Dickson is English. Can he spend a few se easons in the T14 now tho

NON

[FKAS]

Poor decision. Still think Dickson went out of his way to ensure the end result was reached.

Ensure that a penalty try was awarded or that the game went the way it did?

Don’t be so precious FKAS!!! The penalty try. Tigers were head and shoulders better than Exe, and that decision wouldn’t have changed the outcome

I was just checking

The pen try was harsh but the result at the end of the game not so much.

[Danno]

Think I've said before that I'm relieved that Dickson is English. Can he spend a few se easons in the T14 now tho

NON

It's the only way he'll learn

[p/d]

Ensure that a penalty try was awarded or that the game went the way it did?

Don’t be so precious FKAS!!! The penalty try. Tigers were head and shoulders better than Exe, and that decision wouldn’t have changed the outcome

Is the penalty try decision wrong though? It's a penalty offence that stopped a probable try.

Puja

Yep. Throw in to Exeter.

[Oakboy]

Don’t be so precious FKAS!!! The penalty try. Tigers were head and shoulders better than Exe, and that decision wouldn’t have changed the outcome

Is the penalty try decision wrong though? It's a penalty offence that stopped a probable try.

Puja

Yep. Throw in to Exeter.

Would Dickson have spent a milli-second considering any other decision had there been no TMO back-up?

[FKAS]

Is the penalty try decision wrong though? It's a penalty offence that stopped a probable try.

Puja

Yep. Throw in to Exeter.

Would Dickson have spent a milli-second considering any other decision had there been no TMO back-up?

It would have been a try with no TMO back up as it was awarded initially before the TMO spotted the toe in touch.