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Re: England u20 24/25 Season

Posted: Sat Jan 18, 2025 3:02 pm
by fivepointer
The Bath front 5 are hardly knarly old vets. The locks are 21 and 22 and the hooker is 21. I guess a year or two at this level can make a big difference.

Re: England u20 24/25 Season

Posted: Mon Jan 27, 2025 5:02 pm
by Epaminondas Pules
Team for Ireland

15 Jack Kinder
14 Jack Bracken
13 Angus Hall
12 Nic Allison
11 Charlie Griffin
10 Ben Coen
9 Archie McParland
8 Kane James
7 Henry Pollock
6 Junior Kpoku
5 Tom Burrow
4 Olamide Sodeke
3 Vilikesa Sela
2 Kepu Tuipolotu
1 Ralph McEachran

16 Louie Gulley
17 Oliver Scola
18 Tye Raymont
19 Aiden Ainsworth-Cave
20 George Timmins
21 Lucas Friday
22 Josh Bellamy
23 Nick Lilley

That's a big old pack!!!

Really surprised they've gone with Coen and Bellamy. Hopefully Davies is not injured!

Re: England u20 24/25 Season

Posted: Tue Jan 28, 2025 8:59 am
by fivepointer
The reigning champions head to Cork for their first round encounter against Neil Doak’s side at Virgin Media Park. The match will be streamed live on BBC iPlayer.
7.45pm Ko on Thursday.

Very interested to see this team perform. Good mix of experience with some newcomers.

Re: England u20 24/25 Season

Posted: Tue Jan 28, 2025 9:31 am
by Scrumhead
Solid and experienced forward pack with a couple of highly rated newcomers.

I really like the look of Griffin but I’ve only seen him play as a centre (where he looked mustard). Kind of disappointed to see him on the wing.

Re: England u20 24/25 Season

Posted: Tue Jan 28, 2025 10:49 am
by Epaminondas Pules
He’s tended to play wing for age groups

Re: England u20 24/25 Season

Posted: Tue Jan 28, 2025 11:14 am
by Which Tyler
He's more wing than centre - but comfortable in both

Re: England u20 24/25 Season

Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2025 1:30 am
by Slater582
Apparently Pollock would've been skipper had he not been unavailable training with the Senior squad. Didn't expect Burrow to be named Captain, given this will be his first international U20 cap and there are quite a few lads returning from a successful 2024.

Epaminondas Pules wrote: Fri Sep 20, 2024 11:32 pm England U20 Men 2024/25 Elite Player Squad

Forwards

Reuben Logan (Northampton Saints)
After being included in the England squad during September, Reuben Logan will end up representing Scotland in the Six Nations. You reckoned he would have been a starter EP, so Logan actually had a choice to make rather than England just not rating him.

I saw him described as 6'5, very talented and plays number 8 so disappointing he hasn't stayed with England. Given his father, guess it was always going to be difficult for the England coaches. :(

fivepointer wrote: Sat Sep 21, 2024 10:52 amScrum Half:

Stocks at 9 are in good shape with Archie McParland and also the outstanding Lucas Friday in the mix. Jonny Weimann, who was released by Saracens at 16, has grown hugely at six form and been rewarded with a number of England U18 caps. Worth noting Hanson too, who also played up at England U19 this season.

Archie McParland (Northampton Saints)
Lucas Friday (Harlequins)
Jonny Weimann (Northampton Saints)
Dom Hanson (Sale Sharks)
Noticed (former England U18) Will Wooton from Sale was in the Ireland squad. Although they've not selected him for the game on Thursday. Not sure if that's because he's injured or they've got better players than Wooton.

Also Steve Diamond was complaining about (another former England U18 scrum half) Joe Davis not being selected. Having been born on New year's Eve, Davis will not be eligible next year.

Epaminondas Pules wrote: Fri Jan 17, 2025 9:23 am
FKAS wrote: Fri Jan 17, 2025 7:13 am
Epaminondas Pules wrote: Thu Jan 16, 2025 10:06 pm

It’s a very competitive age group. I liked the look of Pearson I must say.

Davies is a big step up from last years 10s. Friday is quality. We lost both starting centres from last year. Lilley was always going to be nailed on for 13 this year.

Add in Hall and Redshaw and it looks that bit more polished. And Archie McP too to battle with Friday for the 9 shirt.
Redshaw still qualifies as well? Damn. That's going to be some backline.

Pearson is only 18, I think Kinder is pretty young as well so they should get at least two maybe three years at this level anyway.
Yeah he's a 2005 birth, so good for this year too.

All depends on birth year. If they're still 18 now, being in the post January side of the school year, then they'll have two years at this level. Ollie Davies, for example, was 19 in December so he'll only get one year at this level. Angus Hall played last year as a school kid, but as a September birth only gets this year eligibility wise; Bracken the same, but Friday has two years being a July 2006 birth.
Does the Sale website have his date of birth wrong then? :(

Re: England u20 24/25 Season

Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2025 7:32 am
by FKAS
Reuben Logan is a big unit and has been playing Nat 1 level for Leicester Lions. I assume he's gone down the route that will give him the most initial game time. May switch again before seniors.

Joe Davis did look electric for Falcons but hasn't featured recently. If Diamond rates him so highly he should go back to playing him more regularly.

Re: England u20 24/25 Season

Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2025 11:39 am
by twitchy
FKAS wrote: Wed Jan 29, 2025 7:32 am Reuben Logan is a big unit and has been playing Nat 1 level for Leicester Lions. I assume he's gone down the route that will give him the most initial game time. May switch again before seniors.

Joe Davis did look electric for Falcons but hasn't featured recently. If Diamond rates him so highly he should go back to playing him more regularly.
Scottish, surely?

Re: England u20 24/25 Season

Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2025 1:16 pm
by FKAS
twitchy wrote: Wed Jan 29, 2025 11:39 am
FKAS wrote: Wed Jan 29, 2025 7:32 am Reuben Logan is a big unit and has been playing Nat 1 level for Leicester Lions. I assume he's gone down the route that will give him the most initial game time. May switch again before seniors.

Joe Davis did look electric for Falcons but hasn't featured recently. If Diamond rates him so highly he should go back to playing him more regularly.
Scottish, surely?
Logan? He might go down the under 20s route there and then reconsider again at senior level. He was born and raised down south I believe. His dad is Scottish but Gabby is English and his grandad is Welsh so he's got multiple qualification up his sleeve so can pick what suits him best later on.

Re: England u20 24/25 Season

Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2025 2:05 pm
by Banquo
FKAS wrote: Wed Jan 29, 2025 1:16 pm
twitchy wrote: Wed Jan 29, 2025 11:39 am
FKAS wrote: Wed Jan 29, 2025 7:32 am Reuben Logan is a big unit and has been playing Nat 1 level for Leicester Lions. I assume he's gone down the route that will give him the most initial game time. May switch again before seniors.

Joe Davis did look electric for Falcons but hasn't featured recently. If Diamond rates him so highly he should go back to playing him more regularly.
Scottish, surely?
Logan? He might go down the under 20s route there and then reconsider again at senior level. He was born and raised down south I believe. His dad is Scottish but Gabby is English and his grandad is Welsh so he's got multiple qualification up his sleeve so can pick what suits him best later on.
Gabby represented Wales at the Commonwealth Games 😀

Re: England u20 24/25 Season

Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2025 2:11 pm
by FKAS
Banquo wrote: Wed Jan 29, 2025 2:05 pm
FKAS wrote: Wed Jan 29, 2025 1:16 pm
twitchy wrote: Wed Jan 29, 2025 11:39 am

Scottish, surely?
Logan? He might go down the under 20s route there and then reconsider again at senior level. He was born and raised down south I believe. His dad is Scottish but Gabby is English and his grandad is Welsh so he's got multiple qualification up his sleeve so can pick what suits him best later on.
Gabby represented Wales at the Commonwealth Games 😀
Good point, I'd forgotten about that.

Re: England u20 24/25 Season

Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2025 12:12 pm
by Epaminondas Pules
Slater582 wrote: Wed Jan 29, 2025 1:30 am Apparently Pollock would've been skipper had he not been unavailable training with the Senior squad. Didn't expect Burrow to be named Captain, given this will be his first international U20 cap and there are quite a few lads returning from a successful 2024.

Epaminondas Pules wrote: Fri Sep 20, 2024 11:32 pm England U20 Men 2024/25 Elite Player Squad

Forwards

Reuben Logan (Northampton Saints)
After being included in the England squad during September, Reuben Logan will end up representing Scotland in the Six Nations. You reckoned he would have been a starter EP, so Logan actually had a choice to make rather than England just not rating him.

I saw him described as 6'5, very talented and plays number 8 so disappointing he hasn't stayed with England. Given his father, guess it was always going to be difficult for the England coaches. :(

fivepointer wrote: Sat Sep 21, 2024 10:52 amScrum Half:

Stocks at 9 are in good shape with Archie McParland and also the outstanding Lucas Friday in the mix. Jonny Weimann, who was released by Saracens at 16, has grown hugely at six form and been rewarded with a number of England U18 caps. Worth noting Hanson too, who also played up at England U19 this season.

Archie McParland (Northampton Saints)
Lucas Friday (Harlequins)
Jonny Weimann (Northampton Saints)
Dom Hanson (Sale Sharks)
Noticed (former England U18) Will Wooton from Sale was in the Ireland squad. Although they've not selected him for the game on Thursday. Not sure if that's because he's injured or they've got better players than Wooton.

Also Steve Diamond was complaining about (another former England U18 scrum half) Joe Davis not being selected. Having been born on New year's Eve, Davis will not be eligible next year.

Epaminondas Pules wrote: Fri Jan 17, 2025 9:23 am
FKAS wrote: Fri Jan 17, 2025 7:13 am

Redshaw still qualifies as well? Damn. That's going to be some backline.

Pearson is only 18, I think Kinder is pretty young as well so they should get at least two maybe three years at this level anyway.
Yeah he's a 2005 birth, so good for this year too.

All depends on birth year. If they're still 18 now, being in the post January side of the school year, then they'll have two years at this level. Ollie Davies, for example, was 19 in December so he'll only get one year at this level. Angus Hall played last year as a school kid, but as a September birth only gets this year eligibility wise; Bracken the same, but Friday has two years being a July 2006 birth.
Does the Sale website have his date of birth wrong then? :( https://www.salesharks.com/player/ollie-davies/
Yeah. Ollie is 19 now. They’ve got the wrong year for some reason.

Re: England u20 24/25 Season

Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2025 8:03 pm
by paddy no 11
2 red cards here?

Re: England u20 24/25 Season

Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2025 8:07 pm
by Captainhaircut
Never a high degree of danger that. He’s barely even moving forward.

Re: England u20 24/25 Season

Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2025 8:09 pm
by Which Tyler
Should have been 1 red and 1 yellow. Kinder is lucky the ref wasn't interested in looking at bith

Re: England u20 24/25 Season

Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2025 8:10 pm
by Scrumhead
Yeah, I’m not convinced it was a ‘high degree of danger’ but a bit dumb by Kpoku.

Very scrappy so far.

Re: England u20 24/25 Season

Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2025 8:10 pm
by Which Tyler
I'm not fond of boo.ing at any time, but boo.ing kids is... not a good look.

Re: England u20 24/25 Season

Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2025 8:12 pm
by Which Tyler
Scrumhead wrote: Thu Jan 30, 2025 8:10 pm Yeah, I’m not convinced it was a ‘high degree of danger’ but a bit dumb by Kpoku.

Very scrappy so far.
I think if you knock the attacker backwards, and move forwards yourself after contact, you'd need a really compelling reason to call it a low degree of danger.
On top of that, it was always illegal (late, no arms) so in theory, you don't apply mitigation, even if it exists.

Kinder's on the other hand, was a soak tackle that rode up, so low degree, probable yellow.

Re: England u20 24/25 Season

Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2025 8:14 pm
by paddy no 11
Captainhaircut wrote: Thu Jan 30, 2025 8:07 pm Never a high degree of danger that. He’s barely even moving forward.
But he's doubled down by being about a week late, desrved red

Re: England u20 24/25 Season

Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2025 8:19 pm
by Which Tyler
Just brain-dead play

Re: England u20 24/25 Season

Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2025 8:20 pm
by Scrumhead
Yep. From the captain of a side down to 14 but under no major pressure, that’s dumb as they get.

Re: England u20 24/25 Season

Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2025 8:29 pm
by Which Tyler
I missed what happened to McParland - anyone spot it?

Re: England u20 24/25 Season

Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2025 8:32 pm
by FKAS
Scrumhead wrote: Thu Jan 30, 2025 8:20 pm Yep. From the captain of a side down to 14 but under no major pressure, that’s dumb as they get.
Dreadful discipline from England so far.

Re: England u20 24/25 Season

Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2025 8:35 pm
by FKAS
Didn't realise you could take someone into touch in a headlock.

Not sure why England couldn't just kick the ball clear instead of playing an unnecessary play on our own goal line.