Snap General Election called

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Banquo wrote: Sun Jun 30, 2024 7:48 pm
Son of Mathonwy wrote: Sun Jun 30, 2024 3:42 pm
Banquo wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2024 10:08 pm

....and where is the challenge coming from even if you cant see the big difference between the scenarios? Plus its going to be better even if Labour do as little as they`ve committed to- external events aside.
Challenge to Labour? It doesn't seem possible right now but the main selling point for Labour is 'change' - nothing intrinsic to Labour and certainly nothing about the Labour leadership. If they don't deliver 'change' their support might prove very fickle. And if the Tories reinvent themselves either by a new moderate, fresh face or more likely bring Farage into the fold (and crucially stop him from splitting the right vote) the whole situation could reverse (by 2029). Also, Starmerism is far less attractive to the youth vote than Corbynism. Support for genocide is also unpopular with the young.

I agree a Labour government is likely to do better than the continuation of this Tory one (which plans to cut spending even more to pay for the NI cut), but austerity will continue. So by 'better' I would mean 'better than the alternative' not 'getting better over time'.
I guess Labours change message is only ‘change from the tories’ as they aren’t offering any transformational change without reviews. So it’s possible that the demand for real change will become loud- but I think they’ll get a lot of time by dint of who else even if they don’t do much.
Over here, the government are making the economic situation such that if they lose the next election, there will be a crash and the new government will not be able to prevent it. That's their only chance.

The Tories could be hoping for something similar.
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Sabotage or penny-pinching incompetence, damaging our ability to make deals with the US?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/ar ... egotiators
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Son of Mathonwy wrote: Mon Jul 01, 2024 11:33 am Sabotage or penny-pinching incompetence, damaging our ability to make deals with the US?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/ar ... egotiators
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This should be a scandal
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/20 ... -election/
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/ar ... l-election

My poll card didn't arrive. If I needed a postal ballot i'd be screwed.

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Zhivago wrote: Tue Jul 02, 2024 5:51 am This should be a scandal
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/20 ... -election/
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/ar ... l-election

My poll card didn't arrive. If I needed a postal ballot i'd be screwed.
Normally
It would be. These days it just has to take a number and get in line.
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C4's surprising discovery of racism within the Reform parry seems to have given the Tories a little bounce in the polls.

As it's at the expense of Reform I don't know if this is a good thing or not. Hmmmm. Probably not. The prize here is to see the Tories down to 3rd place. So even if Farage takes them over, he'll be nowhere near a despatch box.
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Son of Mathonwy wrote: Tue Jul 02, 2024 6:46 pm C4's surprising discovery of racism within the Reform parry seems to have given the Tories a little bounce in the polls.

As it's at the expense of Reform I don't know if this is a good thing or not. Hmmmm. Probably not. The prize here is to see the Tories down to 3rd place. So even if Farage takes them over, he'll be nowhere near a despatch box.
I’m very happy for people to realise that Reform arent a party of nice, but eccentric gents.
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