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There are things that Watson does better than Hardie tbf. Like tackling, as much as I like Hardie his technique is so poor. Misses way too many and ends up with a sair heid a lot due to poor technique.

I have some sympathy with the argument that he affects the play a lot by charging out, but often is unlikely to really get his man.

They are both superb players.

Found this on reddit...

And a better pass on him than the hyphenated one. Watson at 9, you know it makes sense.

hp18 wrote:And a better pass on him than the hyphenated one. Watson at 9, you know it makes sense.

I saw a tweet last night suggesting SHC should move to FB. Think it was tweeted by one of the guys that runs Scrum Magazine.

Speaking of players that have moved position, how did Bryce get on at prop?

Chunks Baws wrote:

hp18 wrote:And a better pass on him than the hyphenated one. Watson at 9, you know it makes sense.

I saw a tweet last night suggesting SHC should move to FB. Think it was tweeted by one of the guys that runs Scrum Magazine.

Speaking of players that have moved position, how did Bryce get on at prop?

Can't be many 5ft 9 full backs.

Might be time to send SPHC to Prem 1 or the 7s to try and get some confidence and give McAndrew* a go with Edinburgh or steal George Horne on loan.

* Not sure how he is going with Melrose, but seemed to be highly rated not long ago.

Edinburgh in Exile wrote:They are both superb players.

Found this on reddit...

Aye. That's the stuff. We don't have many genuinely aggressive players. Why is that?

And why the fuck does every other team seem to have a neon/fluorescent kit? Is it a distraction technique?

Mikey Brown wrote:

Edinburgh in Exile wrote:They are both superb players.

Found this on reddit...

Aye. That's the stuff. We don't have many genuinely aggressive players. Why is that?

I rather think that was my point. Those are the highlights that I remember about Watson but I don't think that he'll ever manage to pull that off consistently at a higher level. He may still be in the running for the back-up slot but that doesn't mean that we're in a good position.

On SHC he looks to be second guessing himself. Wouldn't be the first player to have early success then stumble a bit when trying to improve. My concern is which coaches are trying to improve him. I'd rather he used what made him good in the first place and improved rather than becoming a conservative, boring Solomon's player. It's not unlike when Laidlaw broke through. He had a sevens back-ground and used to come off the bench to up the tempo and try to make things happen. Then he went away from that game and became more 'structured' rather than managing to combine that with his instinctive skills.

I guess that's the cycle. When you can't make it off the bench for Laidlaw by running fast and passing fast, I suppose you end up trying to replicate what Laidlaw now does.

I'm not sure what you think I was refuting about your point, I just enjoyed the clip. I suppose we should see if he can do it at the top level at some point.

Though it was a nicely timed pass from 22 he doesn't seem to understand that being in front of the ball isn't much use.

Mikey Brown wrote:I guess that's the cycle. When you can't make it off the bench for Laidlaw by running fast and passing fast, I suppose you end up trying to replicate what Laidlaw now does.

I'm not sure what you think I was refuting about your point, I just enjoyed the clip. I suppose we should see if he can do it at the top level at some point.

Though it was a nicely timed pass from 22 he doesn't seem to understand that being in front of the ball isn't much use.

You think that we should give him a shot at the next level, I'm not so sure because I think that at least four players would have made that tackle at international level and want to see him improve other parts of his game first. I liked watching it on Friday very much though.

switchskier wrote:

Mikey Brown wrote:I guess that's the cycle. When you can't make it off the bench for Laidlaw by running fast and passing fast, I suppose you end up trying to replicate what Laidlaw now does.

I'm not sure what you think I was refuting about your point, I just enjoyed the clip. I suppose we should see if he can do it at the top level at some point.

Though it was a nicely timed pass from 22 he doesn't seem to understand that being in front of the ball isn't much use.

You think that we should give him a shot at the next level, I'm not so sure because I think that at least four players would have made that tackle at international level and want to see him improve other parts of his game first. I liked watching it on Friday very much though.

Valid point cat man, and I know this isn't the point you are arguing, but seeing as I'm being a bank holiday fud... aren't about three of those guys there internationals? Toner is, not sure about the other forward, is that Richardt Strauss? Think the winger was the lesser Kearney.

STATS | Hamish Watson v Leinster

65 Metres gained
11 Carries
17 Tackles made
7 Defenders beaten
1 Try

Edinburgh in Exile wrote:

switchskier wrote:

Mikey Brown wrote:I guess that's the cycle. When you can't make it off the bench for Laidlaw by running fast and passing fast, I suppose you end up trying to replicate what Laidlaw now does.

I'm not sure what you think I was refuting about your point, I just enjoyed the clip. I suppose we should see if he can do it at the top level at some point.

Though it was a nicely timed pass from 22 he doesn't seem to understand that being in front of the ball isn't much use.

You think that we should give him a shot at the next level, I'm not so sure because I think that at least four players would have made that tackle at international level and want to see him improve other parts of his game first. I liked watching it on Friday very much though.

Valid point cat man, and I know this isn't the point you are arguing, but seeing as I'm being a bank holiday fud... aren't about three of those guys there internationals? Toner is, not sure about the other forward, is that Richardt Strauss? Think the winger was the lesser Kearney.

Toner obviously is and I think that the prop is McGrath. Can't work out the winger but don't think it's Kearney and the nine and ten are pretty young and callow.

switchskier wrote:

Edinburgh in Exile wrote:

switchskier wrote:
You think that we should give him a shot at the next level, I'm not so sure because I think that at least four players would have made that tackle at international level and want to see him improve other parts of his game first. I liked watching it on Friday very much though.

Valid point cat man, and I know this isn't the point you are arguing, but seeing as I'm being a bank holiday fud... aren't about three of those guys there internationals? Toner is, not sure about the other forward, is that Richardt Strauss? Think the winger was the lesser Kearney.

Toner obviously is and I think that the prop is McGrath. Can't work out the winger but don't think it's Kearney and the nine and ten are pretty young and callow.

The 9 is Jamison Gibson-Park, a kiwi import with a decent amount of Super Rugby experience.

Anyway, Watson is really aggressive and seems to enjoy running over people. The kind of rumbustious wing forward we have dearly lacked for a number of years.

Team's out. Looks like some planned rotation and we're effectively giving this one away. That back line can only be effective with a really high paced, high risk type of game plan but we know that we're not going to see that.

15. Bryce
14. Hoyland
13. Allen
12. Dean
11 Brown
10. Weir
9. SHC
1. Sutherland
2. Rambo
3. Bryce
4. McKenzie
5. Toolis
6. Bradbury
7. Watson
8. DuPreez

Cochrane, Cosgrove, Dell, Carmicheal, Hardie, Kennedy, Kinghorn, Scholes

Utterly humped in the scum but another decent showing from the backrow. I thought Watson and Hardie were good and Bradbury really deserved the MoM.
ps Twice in a row now Kinghorn has come on late in the game and demonstrated that he appears to be the only Edinburgh back that can find gaps in the defence. He needs to start.

Matt Ha wrote:Utterly humped in the scum but another decent showing from the backrow. I thought Watson and Hardie were good and Bradbury really deserved the MoM.
ps Twice in a row now Kinghorn has come on late in the game and demonstrated that he appears to be the only Edinburgh back that can find gaps in the defence. He needs to start.

Weirs defence was also embarassing. He is in need of some decent coaching, both technically and for his confidence.

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Matt Ha wrote:Utterly humped in the scum but another decent showing from the backrow. I thought Watson and Hardie were good and Bradbury really deserved the MoM.
ps Twice in a row now Kinghorn has come on late in the game and demonstrated that he appears to be the only Edinburgh back that can find gaps in the defence. He needs to start.

Is be playing mostly fullback?

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Matt Ha wrote:Utterly humped in the scum but another decent showing from the backrow. I thought Watson and Hardie were good and Bradbury really deserved the MoM.
ps Twice in a row now Kinghorn has come on late in the game and demonstrated that he appears to be the only Edinburgh back that can find gaps in the defence. He needs to start.

Weirs defence was also embarassing. He is in need of some decent coaching, both technically and for his confidence.

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I feel sorry for the cat, he's currently at the wrong end of the M8 for that.

Pretty grim viewing though wasn't it. Whomever pointed out that it was like watching Scotland of old nailed it, the backs look so fucking rudderless at times. The passing in the last 30 minutes or so of that game was just, fucking, brutal.

Just rewatched the first half. Edinburgh weren't doing that badly. I mean the scrum was poor but the teams was doing pretty well in defence and there were some attack patterns. Centres were pretty young as well and had never played a game together before. With a decent front row, more discipline and experience it could turn into a good team.

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Adder wrote:Just rewatched the first half. Edinburgh weren't doing that badly. I mean the scrum was poor but the teams was doing pretty well in defence and there were some attack patterns. Centres were pretty young as well and had never played a game together before. With a decent front row, more discipline and experience it could turn into a good team.

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First time I've seen Edinburgh play for a while (thanks to beIN Sports we get 1 or 2 games every weekend now ). I'd echo the comments above that they look very much like Scotland of a few years back. The preparatory work is ok, not too bad at going through the phases & occasionally quite dynamic but when the opportunity then presents itself it all turns to s**t. All shape is lost and panic sets in, poor passes and offloads and the inevitable knock on or overthrow at the 5 metre lineout.

If the ball carrier make a break he seems as surprised as the rest of the team....which is why they are usually 10 metres behind looking the wrong way and aligning themselves for the next breakdown instead of being on the shoulder.

Looks like a team struggling to buy in to the particular game plan being asked of them and/or without the skill set to carry it out.

Much like Scotland were.

Just as Scotland did at the time, they are missing a good 10, and a good centre combo. This was not Edinburgh's "A-team". Both centres looked a bit light, and were given poor ball.
We should also point out that Ed defended well will Mackenzie in the bin and even scored a try.
I'm slightly optimistic and believe that Ed will improve throughout the Season... A bit in the same way I did with Scotland during the bleak years*...

*are they over yet?

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Edinburgh in Exile wrote:

Adder wrote:

Matt Ha wrote:Utterly humped in the scum but another decent showing from the backrow. I thought Watson and Hardie were good and Bradbury really deserved the MoM.
ps Twice in a row now Kinghorn has come on late in the game and demonstrated that he appears to be the only Edinburgh back that can find gaps in the defence. He needs to start.

Weirs defence was also embarassing. He is in need of some decent coaching, both technically and for his confidence.

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I feel sorry for the cat, he's currently at the wrong end of the M8 for that.

Pretty grim viewing though wasn't it. Whomever pointed out that it was like watching Scotland of old nailed it, the backs look so fucking rudderless at times. The passing in the last 30 minutes or so of that game was just, fucking, brutal.

Currently at the 51 minute mark. It's going off. Fuck watching things get worse.