RugbyRebels

I think the closest they've come to an agreement is that they all wish someone else had been given the job

It's basically taken a year to get nowhere, and crucially with that nobody wanting to or thinking about investing knows what the picture is. And now we're simply getting well lets see if we can continue as we are for a while, and it's just not good enough.

Whether this would by now have been clearer had the leave campaign actually supplied any detail on what they wanted to actually do I don't know, certainly they campaigned on rhetoric rather than detail, and that's part of their problem now, they don't have the detail and they don't even agree on the outline of what should be covered.

I shudder to think how much we've spent on this so far to get nowhere

Digby wrote:It's basically taken a year to get nowhere, and crucially with that nobody wanting to or thinking about investing knows what the picture is. And now we're simply getting well lets see if we can continue as we are for a while, and it's just not good enough.

Whether this would by now have been clearer had the leave campaign actually supplied any detail on what they wanted to actually do I don't know, certainly they campaigned on rhetoric rather than detail, and that's part of their problem now, they don't have the detail and they don't even agree on the outline of what should be covered.

I shudder to think how much we've spent on this so far to get nowhere

Actually it has taken 5 months to get nowhere as nothing could actaully be done until Article 50 was activated (which is what the
EU kept telling us) which wasn't done until March this year.

belgarion wrote:

Digby wrote:It's basically taken a year to get nowhere, and crucially with that nobody wanting to or thinking about investing knows what the picture is. And now we're simply getting well lets see if we can continue as we are for a while, and it's just not good enough.

Whether this would by now have been clearer had the leave campaign actually supplied any detail on what they wanted to actually do I don't know, certainly they campaigned on rhetoric rather than detail, and that's part of their problem now, they don't have the detail and they don't even agree on the outline of what should be covered.

I shudder to think how much we've spent on this so far to get nowhere

Actually it has taken 5 months to get nowhere as nothing could actaully be done until Article 50 was activated (which is what the
EU kept telling us) which wasn't done until March this year.

I was going to type something longer, but in essence, what utter bollocks.

belgarion wrote:

Digby wrote:It's basically taken a year to get nowhere, and crucially with that nobody wanting to or thinking about investing knows what the picture is. And now we're simply getting well lets see if we can continue as we are for a while, and it's just not good enough.

Whether this would by now have been clearer had the leave campaign actually supplied any detail on what they wanted to actually do I don't know, certainly they campaigned on rhetoric rather than detail, and that's part of their problem now, they don't have the detail and they don't even agree on the outline of what should be covered.

I shudder to think how much we've spent on this so far to get nowhere

Actually it has taken 5 months to get nowhere as nothing could actaully be done until Article 50 was activated (which is what the
EU kept telling us) which wasn't done until March this year.

One might have thought that in the year some the referendum the Brexiteers might have developed some idea of what their negotiation position was. Article 50 has nothing to do with the failure to do that.

And again we come back to a badly planned referendum which didn't actually give clear direction on the type of brexit the country wanted.

Sandydragon wrote:And again we come back to a badly planned referendum which didn't actually give clear direction on the type of brexit the country wanted.

A magic one that maintains trade as is with Europe, frees us of any obligations, gives us access to other markets around the world on a faster and more favourable basis than than the EU would achieve, will reduce migration, reduce house prices for kids/first time buyers clearing out all the migrants, but will not drop house values for the middle classes, will not impact our ability to meet public service and pension provisions, frees up cash even, will make our military stronger, will make our grass greener whilst also seeing more sunshine.... I don't think anyone voted to restore the empire, but you never know.

The campaign was about rhetoric, the reality is about annoying detail.

I think any future referendums should be based in a specific plan. I had the same misgivings about the Scottish indyref, people don't really know what they are voting for, other than something different. At least in fairness, the SNP did publish a white paper, even if they were representative of all th Indy parties and it was largely fantasy.

The brexit referendum was just a bunch of sound bytes. The referendum was planned by someone who didn't believe that he would lose and thus didn't take it that seriously.

Digby wrote:

Sandydragon wrote:And again we come back to a badly planned referendum which didn't actually give clear direction on the type of brexit the country wanted.

A magic one that maintains trade as is with Europe, frees us of any obligations, gives us access to other markets around the world on a faster and more favourable basis than than the EU would achieve, will reduce migration, reduce house prices for kids/first time buyers clearing out all the migrants, but will not drop house values for the middle classes, will not impact our ability to meet public service and pension provisions, frees up cash even, will make our military stronger, will make our grass greener whilst also seeing more sunshine.... I don't think anyone voted to restore the empire, but you never know.

The campaign was about rhetoric, the reality is about annoying detail.

The campaign was about some overly privileged public schoolboys playing fun political games with people's lives and then running away in the hope everyone would forget.
If you've got squillions of Daddies money in your bank account, tax-payer funded private healthcare for life and a huge pension pot.......the lives and travails of ordinary folk must seem pretty dull.

kk67 wrote:

Digby wrote:

Sandydragon wrote:And again we come back to a badly planned referendum which didn't actually give clear direction on the type of brexit the country wanted.

A magic one that maintains trade as is with Europe, frees us of any obligations, gives us access to other markets around the world on a faster and more favourable basis than than the EU would achieve, will reduce migration, reduce house prices for kids/first time buyers clearing out all the migrants, but will not drop house values for the middle classes, will not impact our ability to meet public service and pension provisions, frees up cash even, will make our military stronger, will make our grass greener whilst also seeing more sunshine.... I don't think anyone voted to restore the empire, but you never know.

The campaign was about rhetoric, the reality is about annoying detail.

The campaign was about some overly privileged public schoolboys playing fun political games with people's lives and then running away in the hope everyone would forget.
If you've got squillions of Daddies money in your bank account, tax-payer funded private healthcare for life and a huge pension pot.......the lives and travails of ordinary folk must seem pretty dull.

Some were public schoolboys sure, though Blair, Osborne, Clegg, Cameron and so on were rather on the leave side. And I don't know Corbyn isn't public school though I'd have my doubts, and by him going AWOL ('cause he wanted out of the EU in order to nationalise UK firms) without any sensible comment we can't blame the situation on public school types, though. We probably could say that whilst in the main educated people voted to remain there was a higher drive to leave from those of a public school background, but that's about it.

The campaign was more about thick and angry people, and typically less educated, though it was about people like Farage too, and Farage had an education even if he is thick and angry

Can we meet in the middle and say it was thick, angry uneducated people with everything to lose being blindly led by thick, angry educated people with nothing to lose...?.

kk67 wrote:Can we meet in the middle and say it was thick, angry uneducated people with everything to lose being blindly led by thick, angry educated people with nothing to lose...?.

We're partway into a Bill Hicks sketch

..or the rise of Cromwell.

I'll put my tin hat on

kk67 wrote:

Digby wrote:

Sandydragon wrote:And again we come back to a badly planned referendum which didn't actually give clear direction on the type of brexit the country wanted.

A magic one that maintains trade as is with Europe, frees us of any obligations, gives us access to other markets around the world on a faster and more favourable basis than than the EU would achieve, will reduce migration, reduce house prices for kids/first time buyers clearing out all the migrants, but will not drop house values for the middle classes, will not impact our ability to meet public service and pension provisions, frees up cash even, will make our military stronger, will make our grass greener whilst also seeing more sunshine.... I don't think anyone voted to restore the empire, but you never know.

The campaign was about rhetoric, the reality is about annoying detail.

The campaign was about some overly privileged public schoolboys playing fun political games with people's lives and then running away in the hope everyone would forget.
If you've got squillions of Daddies money in your bank account, tax-payer funded private healthcare for life and a huge pension pot.......the lives and travails of ordinary folk must seem pretty dull.

Utter claptrap. Some of the prominent leave campaigners were posh types, the sort you dislike. Others weren't. And there were plenty of rich people on the remain side too.

Bugger me France is now expensive. Well, it's now roughly the same cost of living as the UK.

Mellsblue wrote:Bugger me France is now expensive. Well, it's now roughly the same cost of living as the UK.

So is Spain. Just got back from a week in Catalonia and was surprised by how pricey the shops were. That exchange rate is a killer.

Sandydragon wrote:

Mellsblue wrote:Bugger me France is now expensive. Well, it's now roughly the same cost of living as the UK.

So is Spain. Just got back from a week in Catalonia and was surprised by how pricey the shops were. That exchange rate is a killer.

I had a very cheap weekend in Valencia which was bought a while back. The missus managed to get an ear infection and spent the time lying on the bed with brown goo coming out of her ear. And I alternated between watching TV with a beer to sitting out on the veranda with a beer, with some time spent fetching a cup of tea or going for a swim in the pool. Never remotely got as far as a restaurant , she said I could head of by myself and she'd be okay on her own, but even I'm not that stupid

Sandydragon wrote:

Mellsblue wrote:Bugger me France is now expensive. Well, it's now roughly the same cost of living as the UK.

So is Spain. Just got back from a week in Catalonia and was surprised by how pricey the shops were. That exchange rate is a killer.

Yeah, it's almost like you used to get E15 for a tenner, instead of E10

Digby wrote:

Sandydragon wrote:

Mellsblue wrote:Bugger me France is now expensive. Well, it's now roughly the same cost of living as the UK.

So is Spain. Just got back from a week in Catalonia and was surprised by how pricey the shops were. That exchange rate is a killer.

I had a very cheap weekend in Valencia which was bought a while back. The missus managed to get an ear infection and spent the time lying on the bed with brown goo coming out of her ear. And I alternated between watching TV with a beer to sitting out on the veranda with a beer, with some time spent fetching a cup of tea or going for a swim in the pool. Never remotely got as far as a restaurant , she said I could head of by myself and she'd be okay on her own, but even I'm not that stupid

You should've gone. I've heard rumours of a man who once sat in first class whilst making the rest of his family sit in economy. If you think that is unbelievable, I believe he somehow lived to tell the tale.

Which Tyler wrote:

Sandydragon wrote:

Mellsblue wrote:Bugger me France is now expensive. Well, it's now roughly the same cost of living as the UK.

So is Spain. Just got back from a week in Catalonia and was surprised by how pricey the shops were. That exchange rate is a killer.

Yeah, it's almost like you used to get E15 for a tenner, instead of E10

I fail to believe you could get Brian Harvey for a tenner, let alone the whole 'band'.

Digby wrote:

Sandydragon wrote:

Mellsblue wrote:Bugger me France is now expensive. Well, it's now roughly the same cost of living as the UK.

So is Spain. Just got back from a week in Catalonia and was surprised by how pricey the shops were. That exchange rate is a killer.

I had a very cheap weekend in Valencia which was bought a while back. The missus managed to get an ear infection and spent the time lying on the bed with brown goo coming out of her ear. And I alternated between watching TV with a beer to sitting out on the veranda with a beer, with some time spent fetching a cup of tea or going for a swim in the pool. Never remotely got as far as a restaurant , she said I could head of by myself and she'd be okay on her own, but even I'm not that stupid

Yeah. Thats right up there with 'don't spend too much on me this Christmas'.

Which Tyler wrote:

Sandydragon wrote:

Mellsblue wrote:Bugger me France is now expensive. Well, it's now roughly the same cost of living as the UK.

So is Spain. Just got back from a week in Catalonia and was surprised by how pricey the shops were. That exchange rate is a killer.

Yeah, it's almost like you used to get E15 for a tenner, instead of E10

And yet there has been precious little media coverage of just how badly the pound has devalued since the vote.
It's almost as if some UK businessmen are quietly profiting from the pound being devalued. But I'm sure that's just conspiracy nonsense.

kk67 wrote:

Which Tyler wrote:

Sandydragon wrote: So is Spain. Just got back from a week in Catalonia and was surprised by how pricey the shops were. That exchange rate is a killer.

Yeah, it's almost like you used to get E15 for a tenner, instead of E10

And yet there has been precious little media coverage of just how badly the pound has devalued since the vote.
It's almost as if some UK businessmen are quietly profiting from the pound being devalued. But I'm sure that's just conspiracy nonsense.

Certainly a nonsense.

Of course some people have profited and others not, it's part of how the economy is supposed to work. And tbh lots of countries actively seek a low(er) value for their currency, it's in many ways simply different rather than better/worse

Aye, it's good for exports and tourism. Not so good for us going abroad. Swings and roundabouts.