RugbyRebels

p/d wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 11:31 am

Mellsblue wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 11:02 am

Spiffy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 2:26 am

This is hardly revolutionary in the annals of rugby coaching. It's pretty obvious that you can only coach so much, but successful teams have always gone beyond the play-by-numbers approach and left on-field decisions in the hands of play makers. One of the biggest problems of the Jones era was that players seemed reluctant to depart from the rigid game plan and just play what was in front of them, possibly (probably?) from fear of being dropped from not obeying H.M.V.
This was the case with the Ireland team under Joe Schmidt, which was reasonably successful, but played like automatons and lacked the rounded/flexible game we have seen under Farrell since his departure.

Yep, exactly why I posted the quotes.

Where did those quotes come from Mells?

Puja wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 10:30 am

Banquo wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 9:30 am

p/d wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 8:59 am

It has been devalued with the appointment of a plethora of 'vice captain's'. No problems with naming a captain who is best at communicating with the ref, but the likes of Itoje should not require the armband to galvanise his fellow forwards

Still a vital role imo- we've touched on communicating with the ref, and frankly no-one should need galvanising to play intl rugby, but when the plan isn't working (whether its a framework or a detailed game plan), the skipper should be the key guy in regrouping and reshaping. The best captains do this.

Disagree with this bit. Mindset and psychology are huge factors at the top level of sport. It's not a case of "Well, everyone should already be motivated, shouldn't they?" - the best performances in the sport have come when the team were united, focussed, and geed up beyond just "this is international rugby". The captain's a huge part of that.

I like Oakboy's theory of Itoje for captain. It's a good point that he's got more to give and more space to improve, and giving him that responsibility and trust could be the thing that pushes hin to the next level.

Puja

Banquo wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 6:35 pm But thanks for pointing out the importance of motivation

Oakboy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 23, 2022 8:07 am I wonder what the clubs are referring to when they say Borthwick needs all the help he can get.

fivepointer wrote: ↑Fri Dec 23, 2022 9:28 am Hopefully the clubs will see that its in their interests to assist the new England coach as much as they can. A successful national side is the single most important thing for the game in this country. That hasnt changed since the game went pro.

Banquo wrote: ↑Fri Dec 23, 2022 11:49 am

fivepointer wrote: ↑Fri Dec 23, 2022 9:28 am Hopefully the clubs will see that its in their interests to assist the new England coach as much as they can. A successful national side is the single most important thing for the game in this country. That hasnt changed since the game went pro.

This is a triumph of hope over experience, but obviously you are right.

fivepointer wrote: ↑Fri Dec 23, 2022 9:28 am Hopefully the clubs will see that its in their interests to assist the new England coach as much as they can. A successful national side is the single most important thing for the game in this country. That hasnt changed since the game went pro.

Oakboy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 23, 2022 11:52 am

Banquo wrote: ↑Fri Dec 23, 2022 11:49 am

fivepointer wrote: ↑Fri Dec 23, 2022 9:28 am Hopefully the clubs will see that its in their interests to assist the new England coach as much as they can. A successful national side is the single most important thing for the game in this country. That hasnt changed since the game went pro.

This is a triumph of hope over experience, but obviously you are right.

Maybe, mutual respect between Borthwick and the clubs will be grounds for optimism?

Puja wrote: ↑Fri Dec 23, 2022 12:08 pm

fivepointer wrote: ↑Fri Dec 23, 2022 9:28 am Hopefully the clubs will see that its in their interests to assist the new England coach as much as they can. A successful national side is the single most important thing for the game in this country. That hasnt changed since the game went pro.

I mean, historically, they have helped the England coach quite a bit with this kind of request, with this very logic. Let's hope they don't lose patience with the idea that we might ever see a successful national side...

Puja

Vanq wrote: ↑Fri Dec 23, 2022 11:33 pm Anyone hearing anything on the other assistants? Saw some commentary that they'd so what it takes to get the best - UK or potentially abroad.

Vesty getting some talk in the press. I could see maybe Aled Walters joining at the end of the season as S&C could be done for the new season rather than further disrupt the Tigers.

Puja wrote: ↑Fri Dec 23, 2022 11:36 pm

Vanq wrote: ↑Fri Dec 23, 2022 11:33 pm Anyone hearing anything on the other assistants? Saw some commentary that they'd so what it takes to get the best - UK or potentially abroad.

Vesty getting some talk in the press. I could see maybe Aled Walters joining at the end of the season as S&C could be done for the new season rather than further disrupt the Tigers.

Everyone's sitting here praying for Wayne Smith, right?

Puja

Mellsblue wrote: ↑Fri Dec 23, 2022 11:47 pm Who is Aled Walters?

FKAS wrote: ↑Sat Dec 24, 2022 8:11 am Yeah no. Scarlets, Taranaki, Brumbies, Munster, SA, Tigers. Bloke has been around learning his stuff. He's also apparently a bit of a nutter, turned up for his first day at Tigers with his world cup winner's medal, asked Steve and the England lads if they wanted to get a look at one first hand.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union ... elentless/

Puja wrote: ↑Sat Dec 24, 2022 9:40 am

FKAS wrote: ↑Sat Dec 24, 2022 8:11 am Yeah no. Scarlets, Taranaki, Brumbies, Munster, SA, Tigers. Bloke has been around learning his stuff. He's also apparently a bit of a nutter, turned up for his first day at Tigers with his world cup winner's medal, asked Steve and the England lads if they wanted to get a look at one first hand.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union ... elentless/

For clarity, Mells is on the windup, as Walter's name has been mentioned a few times in this thread.

Puja

twitchy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 24, 2022 7:44 am SA S&C coach.

Mellsblue wrote: ↑Sat Dec 24, 2022 12:02 pm

Puja wrote: ↑Sat Dec 24, 2022 9:40 am

FKAS wrote: ↑Sat Dec 24, 2022 8:11 am Yeah no. Scarlets, Taranaki, Brumbies, Munster, SA, Tigers. Bloke has been around learning his stuff. He's also apparently a bit of a nutter, turned up for his first day at Tigers with his world cup winner's medal, asked Steve and the England lads if they wanted to get a look at one first hand.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union ... elentless/

For clarity, Mells is on the windup, as Walter's name has been mentioned a few times in this thread.

Puja

How very dare you. I take this forum incredibly seriously and would never make a childish post in the hope of a dopamine rush by eliciting a thumbs up via a poor, often repeated, joke.
As for making a pun, that is the pass-time of the fool.