RugbyRebels

Which Tyler wrote:

Sandydragon wrote:

J Dory wrote:And a bunch of Trump supporters have shown up in Detroit claiming they want to be observers to try and stop votes being counted. They're not packing AR-15s yet.

I think if I were in charge of the counting stations, I'd be asking for a police presence.Just in case.

American police?

Given where it is, would be better to ask the Canadians

Sandydragon wrote:

Which Tyler wrote:

Sandydragon wrote: I think if I were in charge of the counting stations, I'd be asking for a police presence.Just in case.

American police?

Given where it is, would be better to ask the Canadians

If Trump keeps on like he is, they will need the National Guard to protect them. Its only a matter of time before some nutter does something and you can just imagine the Republican lawyers seizing on any disruption to claim the vote is no longer sufficiently robust, even if their own president has inspired it.

We'd be happy to help ay.

morepork wrote:253 to 214. It’s a mini blue wave with the taste of chemical toilet, but is preferable to the red algal bloom of red raw sewerage. C’mon Philly, rock those mail ballots on.

WaspInWales wrote:

morepork wrote:253 to 214. It’s a mini blue wave with the taste of chemical toilet, but is preferable to the red algal bloom of red raw sewerage. C’mon Philly, rock those mail ballots on.

264 to 214 now!

Beeb still showing 243 to 214 though.

hugh_woatmeigh wrote:Agree with all the anti-trump rhetoric, not debating that... but the AP calling Arizona in Biden's favour as early as they did is looking very, very suspect.

hugh_woatmeigh wrote:

WaspInWales wrote:

morepork wrote:253 to 214. It’s a mini blue wave with the taste of chemical toilet, but is preferable to the red algal bloom of red raw sewerage. C’mon Philly, rock those mail ballots on.

264 to 214 now!

Beeb still showing 243 to 214 though.

Because the beeb is quite rightly showing a bit of reservation with states that are still being contested.

WaspInWales wrote:

hugh_woatmeigh wrote:

WaspInWales wrote:
264 to 214 now!

Beeb still showing 243 to 214 though.

Because the beeb is quite rightly showing a bit of reservation with states that are still being contested.

Fair enough...I'm thinking it's due to them being shit at updating live events.

If you follow football, rugby or cricket via the Beeb app, you may know what I mean

Fox News are even going with 264-214.

The cult of tradition. “One has only to look at the syllabus of every fascist movement to find the major traditionalist thinkers. The Nazi gnosis was nourished by traditionalist, syncretistic, occult elements.”
The rejection of modernism. “The Enlightenment, the Age of Reason, is seen as the beginning of modern depravity. In this sense Ur-Fascism can be defined as irrationalism.”
The cult of action for action’s sake. “Action being beautiful in itself, it must be taken before, or without, any previous reflection. Thinking is a form of emasculation.”
Disagreement is treason. “The critical spirit makes distinctions, and to distinguish is a sign of modernism. In modern culture the scientific community praises disagreement as a way to improve knowledge.”
Fear of difference. “The first appeal of a fascist or prematurely fascist movement is an appeal against the intruders. Thus Ur-Fascism is racist by definition.”
Appeal to social frustration. “One of the most typical features of the historical fascism was the appeal to a frustrated middle class, a class suffering from an economic crisis or feelings of political humiliation, and frightened by the pressure of lower social groups.”
The obsession with a plot. “Thus at the root of the Ur-Fascist psychology there is the obsession with a plot, possibly an international one. The followers must feel besieged.”
The enemy is both strong and weak. “By a continuous shifting of rhetorical focus, the enemies are at the same time too strong and too weak.”
Pacifism is trafficking with the enemy. “For Ur-Fascism there is no struggle for life but, rather, life is lived for struggle.”
Contempt for the weak. “Elitism is a typical aspect of any reactionary ideology.”
Everybody is educated to become a hero. “In Ur-Fascist ideology, heroism is the norm. This cult of heroism is strictly linked with the cult of death.”
Machismo and weaponry. “Machismo implies both disdain for women and intolerance and condemnation of nonstandard sexual habits, from chastity to homosexuality.”
Selective populism. “There is in our future a TV or Internet populism, in which the emotional response of a selected group of citizens can be presented and accepted as the Voice of the People.”
Ur-Fascism speaks Newspeak. “All the Nazi or Fascist schoolbooks made use of an impoverished vocabulary, and an elementary syntax, in order to limit the instruments for complex and critical reasoning.”

Stom wrote:By the way, why does no-one call this "Trumpism", "Nationalism fuelled populism" what it really is? Fascism.

Hell, does this sound familiar? Written in 1995

The cult of tradition. “One has only to look at the syllabus of every fascist movement to find the major traditionalist thinkers. The Nazi gnosis was nourished by traditionalist, syncretistic, occult elements.”
The rejection of modernism. “The Enlightenment, the Age of Reason, is seen as the beginning of modern depravity. In this sense Ur-Fascism can be defined as irrationalism.”
The cult of action for action’s sake. “Action being beautiful in itself, it must be taken before, or without, any previous reflection. Thinking is a form of emasculation.”
Disagreement is treason. “The critical spirit makes distinctions, and to distinguish is a sign of modernism. In modern culture the scientific community praises disagreement as a way to improve knowledge.”
Fear of difference. “The first appeal of a fascist or prematurely fascist movement is an appeal against the intruders. Thus Ur-Fascism is racist by definition.”
Appeal to social frustration. “One of the most typical features of the historical fascism was the appeal to a frustrated middle class, a class suffering from an economic crisis or feelings of political humiliation, and frightened by the pressure of lower social groups.”
The obsession with a plot. “Thus at the root of the Ur-Fascist psychology there is the obsession with a plot, possibly an international one. The followers must feel besieged.”
The enemy is both strong and weak. “By a continuous shifting of rhetorical focus, the enemies are at the same time too strong and too weak.”
Pacifism is trafficking with the enemy. “For Ur-Fascism there is no struggle for life but, rather, life is lived for struggle.”
Contempt for the weak. “Elitism is a typical aspect of any reactionary ideology.”
Everybody is educated to become a hero. “In Ur-Fascist ideology, heroism is the norm. This cult of heroism is strictly linked with the cult of death.”
Machismo and weaponry. “Machismo implies both disdain for women and intolerance and condemnation of nonstandard sexual habits, from chastity to homosexuality.”
Selective populism. “There is in our future a TV or Internet populism, in which the emotional response of a selected group of citizens can be presented and accepted as the Voice of the People.”
Ur-Fascism speaks Newspeak. “All the Nazi or Fascist schoolbooks made use of an impoverished vocabulary, and an elementary syntax, in order to limit the instruments for complex and critical reasoning.”

Puja wrote:

Stom wrote:By the way, why does no-one call this "Trumpism", "Nationalism fuelled populism" what it really is? Fascism.

Hell, does this sound familiar? Written in 1995

The cult of tradition. “One has only to look at the syllabus of every fascist movement to find the major traditionalist thinkers. The Nazi gnosis was nourished by traditionalist, syncretistic, occult elements.”
The rejection of modernism. “The Enlightenment, the Age of Reason, is seen as the beginning of modern depravity. In this sense Ur-Fascism can be defined as irrationalism.”
The cult of action for action’s sake. “Action being beautiful in itself, it must be taken before, or without, any previous reflection. Thinking is a form of emasculation.”
Disagreement is treason. “The critical spirit makes distinctions, and to distinguish is a sign of modernism. In modern culture the scientific community praises disagreement as a way to improve knowledge.”
Fear of difference. “The first appeal of a fascist or prematurely fascist movement is an appeal against the intruders. Thus Ur-Fascism is racist by definition.”
Appeal to social frustration. “One of the most typical features of the historical fascism was the appeal to a frustrated middle class, a class suffering from an economic crisis or feelings of political humiliation, and frightened by the pressure of lower social groups.”
The obsession with a plot. “Thus at the root of the Ur-Fascist psychology there is the obsession with a plot, possibly an international one. The followers must feel besieged.”
The enemy is both strong and weak. “By a continuous shifting of rhetorical focus, the enemies are at the same time too strong and too weak.”
Pacifism is trafficking with the enemy. “For Ur-Fascism there is no struggle for life but, rather, life is lived for struggle.”
Contempt for the weak. “Elitism is a typical aspect of any reactionary ideology.”
Everybody is educated to become a hero. “In Ur-Fascist ideology, heroism is the norm. This cult of heroism is strictly linked with the cult of death.”
Machismo and weaponry. “Machismo implies both disdain for women and intolerance and condemnation of nonstandard sexual habits, from chastity to homosexuality.”
Selective populism. “There is in our future a TV or Internet populism, in which the emotional response of a selected group of citizens can be presented and accepted as the Voice of the People.”
Ur-Fascism speaks Newspeak. “All the Nazi or Fascist schoolbooks made use of an impoverished vocabulary, and an elementary syntax, in order to limit the instruments for complex and critical reasoning.”

I used the f-word in a post earlier, but I actually had to make myself use it - it's been such an established part of culture for so long that comparing an opponent to the Nazis is ridiculous hyperbole and a sign that you've lost the argument that it's hard to call something that is actively and completely fascist by its name.

From the Holocaust Museum:



Puja

Puja wrote:

Stom wrote:By the way, why does no-one call this "Trumpism", "Nationalism fuelled populism" what it really is? Fascism.

Hell, does this sound familiar? Written in 1995

The cult of tradition. “One has only to look at the syllabus of every fascist movement to find the major traditionalist thinkers. The Nazi gnosis was nourished by traditionalist, syncretistic, occult elements.”
The rejection of modernism. “The Enlightenment, the Age of Reason, is seen as the beginning of modern depravity. In this sense Ur-Fascism can be defined as irrationalism.”
The cult of action for action’s sake. “Action being beautiful in itself, it must be taken before, or without, any previous reflection. Thinking is a form of emasculation.”
Disagreement is treason. “The critical spirit makes distinctions, and to distinguish is a sign of modernism. In modern culture the scientific community praises disagreement as a way to improve knowledge.”
Fear of difference. “The first appeal of a fascist or prematurely fascist movement is an appeal against the intruders. Thus Ur-Fascism is racist by definition.”
Appeal to social frustration. “One of the most typical features of the historical fascism was the appeal to a frustrated middle class, a class suffering from an economic crisis or feelings of political humiliation, and frightened by the pressure of lower social groups.”
The obsession with a plot. “Thus at the root of the Ur-Fascist psychology there is the obsession with a plot, possibly an international one. The followers must feel besieged.”
The enemy is both strong and weak. “By a continuous shifting of rhetorical focus, the enemies are at the same time too strong and too weak.”
Pacifism is trafficking with the enemy. “For Ur-Fascism there is no struggle for life but, rather, life is lived for struggle.”
Contempt for the weak. “Elitism is a typical aspect of any reactionary ideology.”
Everybody is educated to become a hero. “In Ur-Fascist ideology, heroism is the norm. This cult of heroism is strictly linked with the cult of death.”
Machismo and weaponry. “Machismo implies both disdain for women and intolerance and condemnation of nonstandard sexual habits, from chastity to homosexuality.”
Selective populism. “There is in our future a TV or Internet populism, in which the emotional response of a selected group of citizens can be presented and accepted as the Voice of the People.”
Ur-Fascism speaks Newspeak. “All the Nazi or Fascist schoolbooks made use of an impoverished vocabulary, and an elementary syntax, in order to limit the instruments for complex and critical reasoning.”

I used the f-word in a post earlier, but I actually had to make myself use it - it's been such an established part of culture for so long that comparing an opponent to the Nazis is ridiculous hyperbole and a sign that you've lost the argument that it's hard to call something that is actively and completely fascist by its name.

From the Holocaust Museum:



Puja

Son of Mathonwy wrote:

Puja wrote:

Stom wrote:By the way, why does no-one call this "Trumpism", "Nationalism fuelled populism" what it really is? Fascism.

Hell, does this sound familiar? Written in 1995

I used the f-word in a post earlier, but I actually had to make myself use it - it's been such an established part of culture for so long that comparing an opponent to the Nazis is ridiculous hyperbole and a sign that you've lost the argument that it's hard to call something that is actively and completely fascist by its name.

From the Holocaust Museum:



Puja

Good to see that stuff described in abstract form, stripped of the particular (eg Nazi) party trappings. Quite a few boxes ticked in the UK . . . even more in Trump's USA.

Sandydragon wrote:Looks like Biden will fall just short in Georgia.

Digby wrote:

Sandydragon wrote:Looks like Biden will fall just short in Georgia.

My kingdom for a Zimmer frame