Solomona Slurs

[Mellsblue]

Don’t let BBD win. You are more belligerent than that.

[Digby]

Don’t let BBD win. You are more belligerent than that.

Big Bradly Davies?

[Mellsblue]

Don’t let BBD win. You are more belligerent than that.

Big Bradly Davies?

Big Butch Diggers.

[Gloskarlos]

Big Bummed Dom

Although ironically that mention of the size of his erse is probably/possibly a slur.

[Digby]

Don’t let BBD win. You are more belligerent than that.

Big Bradly Davies?

Big Butch Diggers.

As a former 9 I've half a mind to suspect you're mocking me, the other half of my mind has gone from butch to Butch Cassidy to thinking of Katherine Ross whilst singing about raindrops.

[TheDasher]

I'm generally pretty old school in my thinking and feel that people are far too easily offended.

However, I agree with Puja on this. If someone is heard/there's evidence of homophobic slurs being used on a rugby pitch, they should be punished; harshly. If someone had used such language and been overheard by the ref when I played school or university rugby, they'd have been sent off I'm sure of it, and banned/dealt with accordingly. Aside from that, these guys are in the public eye and if the civilised world agrees that homophobia is a bad thing then we'll never deal with it unless you get punished for it and younger generations witness that process.

You should be able to say what you want but be punished when it's derogatory along the lines of racism, homophobia etc. Also, I like Solomona as a player and if in this case he was punished, I generally forgive and can move past it and can judge him as a player again rather than just as a nasty piece of work who got away with it.

[Raggs]

Back to the topic as such, Solomona is up in front of a disciplinary panel. Which I guess means there may be something in it.

[Digby]

I assume Denny will say I might have shouted something in the heat of the game but I don't remember what.

[Puja]

Piffle, it's for starting a thread called 'Solomona Slurs' in order that people can infer he's having a joke at people with substance abuse issues such as alcoholism given Solomona's drinking escapades.

Incidentally, I wish I was this clever.

Puja

[Warrior85]

Solomona has been charged. Assume there is some evidence somewhere

[Digby]

There would be Shillcock's statements if nothing else

[Digby]

I'd heard the hearing was to be Thursday, and I assumed they meant today not next week. They're hardly in a rush over this one, which seems slovenly even allowing for the celebration of zombies coming back from the dead

[L'Historien]

Zombies from the dead? What is that a reference to? Btw, I follow the threads, but you all know more about rugby than me and (as my lack of comprehension shows) can engage in great leaps across subjects

[morepork]

He means Jebus and easter.

[L'Historien]

He means Jebus and easter.

Ah. Is that a slur then? But actually incorrect- from what I’ve studied, a zombie is a corpse reanimated and under the control of a voodoo practitioner, whereas according to eyewitnesses Christ has been raised from the dead and is living.
O/T for a rugby thread maybe?

[Digby]

Historically no religious folk have considered it a slur to question the validity of their major prophets and/or god(s), certainly they've never been motivated to murder folk for blaspheming imaginary fairies at the bottom of the garden

[L'Historien]

Jesus himself was condemned to death for blasphemy. Charged by the religious authorities. Joan of Arc was charged with blasphemy. The hussites (14th century) too. History is full of examples.
But isn’t that beside the point? Informed discussion is one thing, but I doubt that is what Solomona was engaged in. Belittling someone by use of language- that’s a slur, is it not?

[Which Tyler]

He means Jebus and easter.

Ah. Is that a slur then? But actually incorrect- from what I’ve studied, a zombie is a corpse reanimated and under the control of a voodoo practitioner, whereas according to eyewitnesses Christ has been raised from the dead and is living.
O/T for a rugby thread maybe?

I heard he got drunk at the last supper, and didn't emerge for 3 days...


Of course, before modern medicine, plenty of people came back to life after being considered dead (hence laying out the body for a day)


Besides, Easter's "just" a fertility festival (who also gave her name to fertility related medical stuff), named after a fertility goddess, and using fertility symbols like rabbit and eggs alongside popular aphrodisiacs like chocolate

[L'Historien]

The Romans were thorough in their methods of execution, crucifixion and a spear through the ribs can be reasonably considered fatal.
Laid out for a day? Says 3 days in the tomb, so again, if amazingly not dead to start with, sepsis, dehydration etc etc will have done the job by then
Easter? There’s more than one derivation for the word. Bede (7th century) has one, another relates it a a Teutonic word for dawn and your reference appears to relate to an Anglo-Saxon derivation. Of course, they came many centuries after the beginning of the paschal celebrations and after Christianity was brought to these islands. Also, it’s a worldwide feast and the name usually connects to the Passover. It seems more likely the takeover came the other way- the fertility feast latching onto the important Christian feast. Whereas Christmas seems to clearly sit on pagan festivals.

[Digby]

For a piece of fiction it sure has an impressive back catalogue

[Puja]

The Romans were thorough in their methods of execution, crucifixion and a spear through the ribs can be reasonably considered fatal.
Laid out for a day? Says 3 days in the tomb, so again, if amazingly not dead to start with, sepsis, dehydration etc etc will have done the job by then
Easter? There’s more than one derivation for the word. Bede (7th century) has one, another relates it a a Teutonic word for dawn and your reference appears to relate to an Anglo-Saxon derivation. Of course, they came many centuries after the beginning of the paschal celebrations and after Christianity was brought to these islands. Also, it’s a worldwide feast and the name usually connects to the Passover. It seems more likely the takeover came the other way- the fertility feast latching onto the important Christian feast. Whereas Christmas seems to clearly sit on pagan festivals.

I suspect you'll find that the season of Spring, and the associated festivals of "Oh, thank fuck it's not winter anymore and things appear to be growing again," is a touch older than Christianity.

Puja

[Mellsblue]

The Romans were thorough in their methods of execution, crucifixion and a spear through the ribs can be reasonably considered fatal.
Laid out for a day? Says 3 days in the tomb, so again, if amazingly not dead to start with, sepsis, dehydration etc etc will have done the job by then
Easter? There’s more than one derivation for the word. Bede (7th century) has one, another relates it a a Teutonic word for dawn and your reference appears to relate to an Anglo-Saxon derivation. Of course, they came many centuries after the beginning of the paschal celebrations and after Christianity was brought to these islands. Also, it’s a worldwide feast and the name usually connects to the Passover. It seems more likely the takeover came the other way- the fertility feast latching onto the important Christian feast. Whereas Christmas seems to clearly sit on pagan festivals.

I suspect you'll find that the season of Spring, and the associated festivals of "Oh, thank fuck it's not winter anymore and things appear to be growing again," is a touch older than Christianity.

Puja

Next you’ll be telling me dinosaurs are real.

[Digby]

The Romans were thorough in their methods of execution, crucifixion and a spear through the ribs can be reasonably considered fatal.
Laid out for a day? Says 3 days in the tomb, so again, if amazingly not dead to start with, sepsis, dehydration etc etc will have done the job by then
Easter? There’s more than one derivation for the word. Bede (7th century) has one, another relates it a a Teutonic word for dawn and your reference appears to relate to an Anglo-Saxon derivation. Of course, they came many centuries after the beginning of the paschal celebrations and after Christianity was brought to these islands. Also, it’s a worldwide feast and the name usually connects to the Passover. It seems more likely the takeover came the other way- the fertility feast latching onto the important Christian feast. Whereas Christmas seems to clearly sit on pagan festivals.

I suspect you'll find that the season of Spring, and the associated festivals of "Oh, thank fuck it's not winter anymore and things appear to be growing again," is a touch older than Christianity.

Puja

Might not be much in it mind, Christianity has been around for thousands of years which is almost as old as the world

[Which Tyler]

The Romans were thorough in their methods of execution, crucifixion and a spear through the ribs can be reasonably considered fatal.
Laid out for a day? Says 3 days in the tomb, so again, if amazingly not dead to start with, sepsis, dehydration etc etc will have done the job by then
Easter? There’s more than one derivation for the word. Bede (7th century) has one, another relates it a a Teutonic word for dawn and your reference appears to relate to an Anglo-Saxon derivation. Of course, they came many centuries after the beginning of the paschal celebrations and after Christianity was brought to these islands. Also, it’s a worldwide feast and the name usually connects to the Passover. It seems more likely the takeover came the other way- the fertility feast latching onto the important Christian feast. Whereas Christmas seems to clearly sit on pagan festivals.

Yeah, I wasn't really serious about either the hang-over theory or the not-really-dead.

As for Easter... Yes, there are many derivations of the Germanic god's, there's the British and the Norse for just 2, with many, often subtle differences in there.
However, paganism definitely predates Christianity, and I don't really think you can claim that pagan hijacked the Christian festival for spring; that's... pretty ludicrous TBH.
Whether you call the goddess/celebration Ostara, Ishtar, Eostre, Eastra, Beltain* or whatever; it came first, and is timed based on the cycles of the moon (fertility) and still retains just about all of its imagery (other than crosses) from paganism.

All religions borrow stuff from other religions/traditions - including things like the great flood and the resurrection myth (I don't remember if that was a Sumerian or Egyptian original, but both had it IIRC)

* More accurately related to May Day and virgins dancing around a phallus; but I have seen it conflated with Easter as well.

[Stom]

Has Rowan got a new username?