Re: England vs Argentina - Revenge of the Crappy Away Kit?
Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2019 4:57 pm
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I actually think we're looking pretty alright.Oakboy wrote:Am I allowed to mention the howling reception that Jones got when his face came up on the big screen at the Aus v Wales match? Such vitriol might not suggest that we have the best head coach. Or, it might suggest that we have, I suppose.
Jones was there to assess our possible QF opponents, I read. I think we might have to adapt to cope with the turnover potential of either back row. Curry/Underhill or Wilson/Curry for the job? I hope that Jones makes a decision on that and sticks to it for the remaining pool games. They need to be sharp and practised together.
Mind you, I still maintain the lack of cohesion in our XV through Jones not getting it fixed before the warm-up games could cost us dear. It is a gamble to only finalise his best team at this stage.
Oakboy wrote:Am I allowed to mention the howling reception that Jones got when his face came up on the big screen at the Aus v Wales match? Such vitriol might not suggest that we have the best head coach. Or, it might suggest that we have, I suppose.
Jones was there to assess our possible QF opponents, I read. I think we might have to adapt to cope with the turnover potential of either back row. Curry/Underhill or Wilson/Curry for the job? I hope that Jones makes a decision on that and sticks to it for the remaining pool games. They need to be sharp and practised together.
Mind you, I still maintain the lack of cohesion in our XV through Jones not getting it fixed before the warm-up games could cost us dear. It is a gamble to only finalise his best team at this stage.
Banquo wrote:Poor old Wilson.
Might actually be Itoje at this rate. Ludlum ever played there?Danno wrote:Grauniad hints at it, but I thought everyone was available. It means Billy for 80 again and I haven't the faintest idea who is covering him.
It's my one and only gripe, but it is baffling me some now that the opposition is getting stronger.Puja wrote:I think dropping Wilson is a mistake, but aside from that I can't really argue with that team. Great to see Mako and Nowell back fit as well.
Puja
This. Slade and Nowell are very strange calls, given Slade looked shaky last time, and Nowell has had zero rugby. Ah well, such is Eddie.fivepointer wrote:Surprised Wilson isnt even in the 23.
Back row aside, this is the team I expected to see.
Bench contains 3 players - Mako, Slade and Nowell - who have played virtually no rugby for months. Not ideal, but if they were included in the squad now is the time to introduce them.
I don't expect Argentina to genuinely test us (famous last words) - they're good enough that we'll have to take them seriously, but this should be a comfortable 15 point win. And if we want to use Slade and Nowell at any point this tournament, then we have to get some game time into them, for which this is the last real chance.Banquo wrote:This. Slade and Nowell are very strange calls, given Slade looked shaky last time, and Nowell has had zero rugby. Ah well, such is Eddie.fivepointer wrote:Surprised Wilson isnt even in the 23.
Back row aside, this is the team I expected to see.
Bench contains 3 players - Mako, Slade and Nowell - who have played virtually no rugby for months. Not ideal, but if they were included in the squad now is the time to introduce them.
I thought Slade looked good technically at FB. But he looked a little iffy fitness wise.Banquo wrote:This. Slade and Nowell are very strange calls, given Slade looked shaky last time, and Nowell has had zero rugby. Ah well, such is Eddie.fivepointer wrote:Surprised Wilson isnt even in the 23.
Back row aside, this is the team I expected to see.
Bench contains 3 players - Mako, Slade and Nowell - who have played virtually no rugby for months. Not ideal, but if they were included in the squad now is the time to introduce them.
Through no fault of his own, Wilson may well be in danger of being perceived as a back row jack of all trades and not necessarily a first choice in any - post RWC he may be well advised to forget about covering 7 and 8 at test level and really focus on developing himself into the automatic selection at blindside for England?Renniks wrote:Wilson is the most notable missing player
It’ll be interesting to see if and how Big Joe and JJ are involved come the QFs — and whether the starters and bench swap much
Until then I think EJ is sorting out players missing game time and getting them up to speed which makes a lot of sense - even if it feels risky to get them all in at the same time
Overall - happy - and expecting a solid win
Fair, I just don't like the thought of say Daly getting crocked early, and Nowell having to come on and play 70 mins.....and not lasting.Puja wrote:I don't expect Argentina to genuinely test us (famous last words) - they're good enough that we'll have to take them seriously, but this should be a comfortable 15 point win. And if we want to use Slade and Nowell at any point this tournament, then we have to get some game time into them, for which this is the last real chance.Banquo wrote:This. Slade and Nowell are very strange calls, given Slade looked shaky last time, and Nowell has had zero rugby. Ah well, such is Eddie.fivepointer wrote:Surprised Wilson isnt even in the 23.
Back row aside, this is the team I expected to see.
Bench contains 3 players - Mako, Slade and Nowell - who have played virtually no rugby for months. Not ideal, but if they were included in the squad now is the time to introduce them.
Puja
He was ok going forward, but hardly tested all round.Stom wrote:I thought Slade looked good technically at FB. But he looked a little iffy fitness wise.Banquo wrote:This. Slade and Nowell are very strange calls, given Slade looked shaky last time, and Nowell has had zero rugby. Ah well, such is Eddie.fivepointer wrote:Surprised Wilson isnt even in the 23.
Back row aside, this is the team I expected to see.
Bench contains 3 players - Mako, Slade and Nowell - who have played virtually no rugby for months. Not ideal, but if they were included in the squad now is the time to introduce them.
Perhaps the extra time off has helped him along. If it hasn't, he shouldn't be there, which is a shame as I suddenly thought he looked really good at FB.
Slade, England's James O'Connor, without the alcohol fuelled rampages.
I think Wilson will have his work cut out post WC, there are a good number of quality backrows just about become established now as we've already debated. He's not old but the yout are coming. Don't get me wrong, I really like Wilson, he'd be my nailed on 6 right now. Post WC? Not so much. His time is (or should be) now.jngf wrote:Through no fault of his own, Wilson may well be in danger of being perceived as a back row jack of all trades and not necessarily a first choice in any - post RWC he may be well advised to forget about covering 7 and 8 at test level and really focus on developing himself into the automatic selection at blindside for England?Renniks wrote:Wilson is the most notable missing player
It’ll be interesting to see if and how Big Joe and JJ are involved come the QFs — and whether the starters and bench swap much
Until then I think EJ is sorting out players missing game time and getting them up to speed which makes a lot of sense - even if it feels risky to get them all in at the same time
Overall - happy - and expecting a solid win
I know not tested, but I just had an impression of..."hang on a minute, he looks to the manor born there!"Banquo wrote:He was ok going forward, but hardly tested all round.Stom wrote:I thought Slade looked good technically at FB. But he looked a little iffy fitness wise.Banquo wrote: This. Slade and Nowell are very strange calls, given Slade looked shaky last time, and Nowell has had zero rugby. Ah well, such is Eddie.
Perhaps the extra time off has helped him along. If it hasn't, he shouldn't be there, which is a shame as I suddenly thought he looked really good at FB.
Slade, England's James O'Connor, without the alcohol fuelled rampages.
He has played there before in an England cameo and looked similar going forward. But as we all know, 15 is a position anyone can just pick up.....Stom wrote:I know not tested, but I just had an impression of..."hang on a minute, he looks to the manor born there!"Banquo wrote:He was ok going forward, but hardly tested all round.Stom wrote:
I thought Slade looked good technically at FB. But he looked a little iffy fitness wise.
Perhaps the extra time off has helped him along. If it hasn't, he shouldn't be there, which is a shame as I suddenly thought he looked really good at FB.
Slade, England's James O'Connor, without the alcohol fuelled rampages.
Would be interested to see it again.
FTFYBanquo wrote:He has played there before in an England cameo and looked similar going forward. But as we all know, 15 is a position anyone except Watson can just pick up.....Stom wrote:I know not tested, but I just had an impression of..."hang on a minute, he looks to the manor born there!"Banquo wrote:
He was ok going forward, but hardly tested all round.
Would be interested to see it again.