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Re: England vs. New Zealand - Match Thread

Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2019 9:57 am
by Digby
We have played well, but we've also left points out there

Re: England vs. New Zealand - Match Thread

Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2019 9:58 am
by Scrumhead
Which Tyler wrote:Delighted to be 10-0 up
Worried it should be double that, and may well need to have been.

NZ aren't playing great, but that's because we've forced them to try too much. They'll tighten up for the second half.

Also concerned that Youngs is having a poor day, and Farrell can barely walk...
Agreed. We’re ahead in pretty much every facet of the game, but 10 points isn’t enough of a buffer.

Re: England vs. New Zealand - Match Thread

Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2019 9:58 am
by Oakboy
Farrell has had 3 or 4 half-break chances but simply lacks the pace to take them. I doubt he'll get more now that Youngs is back in dithering mode. Replacement tactics by Jones will be interesting.

Re: England vs. New Zealand - Match Thread

Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2019 9:59 am
by Digby
Tbh 20 points ahead wouldn't feel like enough of a buffer

Re: England vs. New Zealand - Match Thread

Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2019 10:00 am
by Banquo
Digby wrote:We have played well, but we've also left points out there
Yep, two or three poor bits of composure - the iceman prominent in that :D . Though he was actually making yards ironically.

Our play shows good variety, bar overdoing the kicking still. Only a couple of kicks too many, but still too many.

We need to stop the kiwi forwards offloading, it’s hurt us at least twice.

Re: England vs. New Zealand - Match Thread

Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2019 10:02 am
by Hooky
Fucking hell England. Different gravy.

Re: England vs. New Zealand - Match Thread

Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2019 10:02 am
by Stom
Oakboy wrote:Farrell has had 3 or 4 half-break chances but simply lacks the pace to take them. I doubt he'll get more now that Youngs is back in dithering mode. Replacement tactics by Jones will be interesting.
TBF, they are a) half breaks and b) as a 12 it's not really his role to turn it into a full break but to create the space for the other backs. If it wasn't for some handling errors, we'd be saying he's had a very good game today. He's done his job well, outside of 3 mistakes on attack and a couple of iffy tackles that weren't punished because of excellent covering by Watson and someone else (can't remember).

We're also lucky NZ have selected the midfield they've selected. I just don't think Goodhue is particularly good.

We all know NZ kick away ball if they don't have a real opportunity after x phases. We're just forcing that kick earlier and earlier. Very very good work in and around the ruck.

Re: England vs. New Zealand - Match Thread

Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2019 10:03 am
by Beasties
Digby wrote:Tbh 20 points ahead wouldn't feel like enough of a buffer
10 points will concentrate the mind more than 20 points would though. Game is a long long way from won.

Re: England vs. New Zealand - Match Thread

Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2019 10:04 am
by Banquo
Stom wrote:
Oakboy wrote:Farrell has had 3 or 4 half-break chances but simply lacks the pace to take them. I doubt he'll get more now that Youngs is back in dithering mode. Replacement tactics by Jones will be interesting.
TBF, they are a) half breaks and b) as a 12 it's not really his role to turn it into a full break but to create the space for the other backs. If it wasn't for some handling errors, we'd be saying he's had a very good game today. He's done his job well, outside of 3 mistakes on attack and a couple of iffy tackles that weren't punished because of excellent covering by Watson and someone else (can't remember).

We're also lucky NZ have selected the midfield they've selected. I just don't think Goodhue is particularly good.

We all know NZ kick away ball if they don't have a real opportunity after x phases. We're just forcing that kick earlier and earlier. Very very good work in and around the ruck.
Lol- so he’s done his job well bar 5 or 6 errors. You are right though, he’s initially shown up well in attack, but then fckd it up.

Re: England vs. New Zealand - Match Thread

Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2019 10:04 am
by Adam_P
I'm still trying to figure out how Scott Barrett, running a diagonal line, managed to catch May. May carrying a tight hammy from last week?

Re: England vs. New Zealand - Match Thread

Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2019 10:05 am
by Banquo
Raining, boo

Re: England vs. New Zealand - Match Thread

Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2019 10:05 am
by Oakboy
Stom wrote:
Oakboy wrote:Farrell has had 3 or 4 half-break chances but simply lacks the pace to take them. I doubt he'll get more now that Youngs is back in dithering mode. Replacement tactics by Jones will be interesting.
TBF, they are a) half breaks and b) as a 12 it's not really his role to turn it into a full break but to create the space for the other backs. If it wasn't for some handling errors, we'd be saying he's had a very good game today. He's done his job well, outside of 3 mistakes on attack and a couple of iffy tackles that weren't punished because of excellent covering by Watson and someone else (can't remember).

We're also lucky NZ have selected the midfield they've selected. I just don't think Goodhue is particularly good.

We all know NZ kick away ball if they don't have a real opportunity after x phases. We're just forcing that kick earlier and earlier. Very very good work in and around the ruck.
I think any 12 should be able to beat the first tackler occasionally! ;)

Re: England vs. New Zealand - Match Thread

Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2019 10:06 am
by Digby
Banquo wrote:
Digby wrote:We have played well, but we've also left points out there
Yep, two or three poor bits of composure - the iceman prominent in that :D . Though he was actually making yards ironically.

Our play shows good variety, bar overdoing the kicking still. Only a couple of kicks too many, but still too many.

We need to stop the kiwi forwards offloading, it’s hurt us at least twice.
Very impressed with the scrum, wondering how many lineout calls we have left

Re: England vs. New Zealand - Match Thread

Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2019 10:06 am
by Stom
Banquo wrote:
Digby wrote:We have played well, but we've also left points out there
Yep, two or three poor bits of composure - the iceman prominent in that :D . Though he was actually making yards ironically.

Our play shows good variety, bar overdoing the kicking still. Only a couple of kicks too many, but still too many.

We need to stop the kiwi forwards offloading, it’s hurt us at least twice.
I think we mainly need to stop them getting to those little runs in midfield that they support so well. We're putting a lot of store in our first up tacklers, and when they miss one, we suddenly give up ground. When one of those chasers is Farrell, you always run the risk he'll miss it and they'll get away.

That's what happened on the Retallick break: someone made the tackle on Goodhue and someone else stepped in to finish it without wrapping the ball. So suddenly there were 2 defenders out of the game and he got the offload away.

It's those little decisions. Rather have Goodhue make a mini-break there rather than sacrifice a defender.

Re: England vs. New Zealand - Match Thread

Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2019 10:06 am
by Which Tyler
Galfon wrote:Squeeky-bum time x2..
off to Hosp. for uncomfortable camera work..
(All ok when I leave the contest..don't disappoint please!)
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Re: England vs. New Zealand - Match Thread

Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2019 10:07 am
by Stom
Oakboy wrote:
Stom wrote:
Oakboy wrote:Farrell has had 3 or 4 half-break chances but simply lacks the pace to take them. I doubt he'll get more now that Youngs is back in dithering mode. Replacement tactics by Jones will be interesting.
TBF, they are a) half breaks and b) as a 12 it's not really his role to turn it into a full break but to create the space for the other backs. If it wasn't for some handling errors, we'd be saying he's had a very good game today. He's done his job well, outside of 3 mistakes on attack and a couple of iffy tackles that weren't punished because of excellent covering by Watson and someone else (can't remember).

We're also lucky NZ have selected the midfield they've selected. I just don't think Goodhue is particularly good.

We all know NZ kick away ball if they don't have a real opportunity after x phases. We're just forcing that kick earlier and earlier. Very very good work in and around the ruck.
I think any 12 should be able to beat the first tackler occasionally! ;)
Well, he was half-beating him. But ALB is a good defender.

Re: England vs. New Zealand - Match Thread

Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2019 10:08 am
by Banquo
Youngs got away with a terrible terrible kick there. Faz isn’t fit

Re: England vs. New Zealand - Match Thread

Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2019 10:09 am
by Banquo
Stop fckin kicking it

Re: England vs. New Zealand - Match Thread

Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2019 10:10 am
by Which Tyler
Wtf was that from youngs?

Re: England vs. New Zealand - Match Thread

Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2019 10:11 am
by Freddo
Farrell and May both struggling here. Maro!

Re: England vs. New Zealand - Match Thread

Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2019 10:12 am
by Freddo
I love you Ben Youngs :)

Re: England vs. New Zealand - Match Thread

Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2019 10:12 am
by Tigersman
Bloody Ben Youngs eh

Re: England vs. New Zealand - Match Thread

Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2019 10:12 am
by Banquo
Always said Youngs was awesome. Could be ruled out

Re: England vs. New Zealand - Match Thread

Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2019 10:13 am
by Beasties
Lol, Youngs lulling everyone into a false sense of security, us included.

Re: England vs. New Zealand - Match Thread

Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2019 10:13 am
by Danno
Amazing block by Nige to gift that to Ben :o