Ireland squad v South Africa

[Eugene Wrayburn]

JUS-TICE for the Munster 2
Jus-TICE for the Munster 2
Jus-tice for the Munster 2
JUS_TICE - for the MUNSTER 2!

Pah! Despite my best efforts you and hellov haven't y locked up yet.

[hellovating]

I wouldn't have minded so much except that it was EXACTLY Murray kicking the ball away which robbed us of our victory against the ABs in Dublin. Experienced heads are supposed to help closing out games and if he behaves like that there's no argument for not putting Marmion on to close the game out.

I've been thinking about this and for me it's probably the most impressive win in my lifetime by any NH team in the south except the England win in NZ in 2003 when they similarly ended up a man down.

was it really Euge? my recollection is that we lost that possession through a series of pick and drives and we were eventually penalised by owens for sealing off. from there the ABs kept the ball alive and went on to score. he did kick the ball away a couple of times before that but we won it back on each occasion.

HELLOV!

Ah maybe I was wrong, as i only saw that game live, not entirely sober, and so furious and disappointed at the end that I've not watched a single minute of it again. I'm prepared to say I was if it means you'll hang around. He still shouldn't have kicked the ball away for a 15m gain and loss of possession with 45 seconds to go.

I'm afraid the all blacks game is all on Jonny.

Clearly box kicking was the strategy when we were in our own half on Saturday. And it worked. Save for a gift intercept try they wouldn't have been with 13 points of us playing 15 v 14 for 60 mins.

[Eugene Wrayburn]

was it really Euge? my recollection is that we lost that possession through a series of pick and drives and we were eventually penalised by owens for sealing off. from there the ABs kept the ball alive and went on to score. he did kick the ball away a couple of times before that but we won it back on each occasion.

HELLOV!

Ah maybe I was wrong, as i only saw that game live, not entirely sober, and so furious and disappointed at the end that I've not watched a single minute of it again. I'm prepared to say I was if it means you'll hang around. He still shouldn't have kicked the ball away for a 15m gain and loss of possession with 45 seconds to go.

I'm afraid the all blacks game is all on Jonny.

Clearly box kicking was the strategy when we were in our own half on Saturday. And it worked. Save for a gift intercept try they wouldn't have been with 13 points of us playing 15 v 14 for 60 mins.

Aye but Paddy having royally screwed that up and on the brink of victory, gifting them the ball wasn't wise - even if our broad strategy was to box kick in our own half.

[SerjeantWildgoose]

I hadn't wanted to mention Jackson's far greater contribution to making a contest out of none through deference to the memory of our erstwhile equine member - but his monstrously limp-wristed attempt at a pass did far more to 'throw' the match than Connor's kick. And let's not forget Paddy Wallace trying to throw the fecking Slam game in 2009 by gifting the Welsh a last minute pop at goal!

All of this slurry spreading over good Munster lads is a feeble attempt by Euge to distract attention from the FACT that Ulster have been trying to undermine Irish R*gby for decades.

[Eugene Wrayburn]

I hadn't wanted to mention Jackson's far greater contribution to making a contest out of none through deference to the memory of our erstwhile equine member - but his monstrously limp-wristed attempt at a pass did far more to 'throw' the match than Connor's kick. And let's not forget Paddy Wallace trying to throw the fecking Slam game in 2009 by gifting the Welsh a last minute pop at goal!

All of this slurry spreading over good Munster lads is a feeble attempt by Euge to distract attention from the FACT that Ulster have been trying to undermine Irish R*gby for decades.

Funnily enough I immediately thought of Paddy Wallace's attempt to lose us the grand slam at the end of the game. We've done a quare line in trying to shoot ourselves in the foot over the years.

I'll leave your Munster boys alone in future. After all there are so few of them and we shouldn't really pick on the worst Irish province.

[BBD]

made me laugh

[BBD]

If we'd lost due to that interception, Paddy Jackson was ready with his disguise to skip the country

[SerjeantWildgoose]

Funnily enough I immediately thought of Paddy Wallace's attempt to lose us the grand slam at the end of the game. We've done a quare line in trying to shoot ourselves in the foot over the years.

I'll leave your Munster boys alone in future. After all there are so few of them and we shouldn't really pick on the worst Irish province.

A jayz but tha's an awful upsettin' thing til be saying Euge, ye wee fecker?

Get him Pete!!!

[BBD]

Strings would have his legs off

[hellovating]

Ireland Make Five Changes For Second Test In South Africa
16 June 2016 13:15
There are five changes to the team for Saturday
There are five changes to the Ireland starting line-up for Saturday's second Test against the Springboks
© Billy Stickland/www.Inpho.ie
The Ireland coaches have made five changes to the team from the first Test and have included three uncapped players - Quinn Roux, Sean Reidy and Tiernan O'Halloran - for Saturday's rematch with South Africa in Johannesburg (kick-off 5pm local time/4pm Irish time).
There are five personnel changes to the team that claimed an historic win over South Africa last weekend and a further five new faces among the replacements.

Hooker Rory Best captains the side for the 11th time and is joined in the front row by Jack McGrath and Tadhg Furlong, who comes in for his first international start at tighthead, while Devin Toner is partnered in the second row by debutant Quinn Roux from Connacht.

Iain Henderson switches to the blindside flank, taking over from the suspended CJ Stander, and Rhys Ruddock comes in at openside for his first start since November 2014, with vice-captain Jamie Heaslip at number 8.

Conor Murray and Paddy Jackson are retained at half-back, while Robbie Henshaw is joined in the centre by Ulster's Stuart Olding, who is set for his first start since his debut against the USA three years ago. Henshaw also made his international bow that night in Houston.

Craig Gilroy is introduced on the left wing for his eighth cap, making it an all-Ulster back-three alongside Andrew Trimble and full-back Jared Payne.

Sean Reidy and Tiernan O'Halloran are the two uncapped players on the bench and they are joined by Richardt Strauss, Dave Kilcoyne, Finlay Bealham, Donnacha Ryan, Kieran Marmion and Ian Madigan.



Commenting on the selection of new cap Roux and Furlong up front, Ireland head coach Joe Schmidt said: "I think one of the things for us is Quinn very much a very good set piece player. In the scrum and lineout, I think he's very proficient in those two areas and he's trained incredibly well since he's been with us.

"I know Quinn very well from having coached him for two years previously (at Leinster) and during those two years he struggled to get real rhythm because he had a number of injuries and every time he got back playing, he unfortunately didn't get the opportunity to have a succession of games that would have allowed him I think to progress.

"We've seen a bit of that progress in Connacht this season and I guess we're challenging him to progress a bit further in that international arena.

"It is a big day for Tadhg. I know that he and Quinn and Iain Henderson on that axis at the scrum will be working incredibly hard to be as combative and as effective as possible. Tadhg is another guy who has trained incredibly well. Tadhg has spent a fair bit of time with us without getting a massive amount of time with us out on the actual pitch.

"He started the season with us at the World Cup, he's remained with us throughout the season and so it's a huge ask for him, but we wouldn't do it if we weren't confident that he can step up and deliver something. It's a whole different realm stepping into the lion's den."



Asked about Olding's inclusion in a new-look Irish midfield, he added: "I think he's maybe a little more in the Gordon D'Arcy mould, a guy with some footwork and some ability to play as a second receiver although I thought Luke Marshall did incredibly well doing exactly that and that was one of things that attracted us to Luke in the first place.

"He was ending up as a first receiver often in the way Ulster were attacking. We think Stu can bring a little bit of the same, the fact that he's a left footer as well. That brings a little bit of a different dimension technically because we'd normally have a number of left footers in our back-line but without Rob Kearney, Luke Fitzgerald and Simon Zebo, we're very right-foot dominant so there's a few different things that he can bring to the equation.

"The other thing is Stu is a tough character. Mentally, he's very tough. He stays in the game very well and I think he punches above his weight just as Gordon D'Arcy did.

"They're quite similar in that they both distribute smart, opportune passes when it's on, and they carry when it is the right thing to do, and they work hard away from the ball to try to get back into positions where they can get back onto the ball."

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IRELAND Team & Replacements (v South Africa, 2016 Summer Tour Second Test, Emirates Airline Park, Johannesburg, Saturday, June 18, kick-off 5pm local time/4pm Irish time):

15. Jared Payne (Ulster)
14. Andrew Trimble (Ballymena/Ulster)
13. Robbie Henshaw (Buccaneers/Connacht)
12. Stuart Olding (Belfast Harlequins/Ulster)
11. Craig Gilroy (Bangor/Ulster)
10. Paddy Jackson (Dungannon/Ulster)
9. Conor Murray (Garryowen/Munster)
1. Jack McGrath (St. Mary's College/Leinster)
2. Rory Best (Banbridge/Ulster) (capt)
3. Tadhg Furlong (Clontarf/Leinster)
4. Devin Toner (Lansdowne/Leinster)
5. Quinn Roux (Galwegians/Connacht) *
6. Iain Henderson (Ballynahinch/Ulster)
7. Rhys Ruddock (St. Mary's College/Leinster)
8. Jamie Heaslip (Dublin University/Leinster)

Replacements:

16. Richardt Strauss (Old Wesley/Leinster)
17. Dave Kilcoyne (UL Bohemians/Munster)
18. Finlay Bealham (Bucanneers/Connacht)
19. Donnacha Ryan (Shannon/Munster)
20. Sean Reidy (Belfast Harlequins/Ulster) *
21. Kieran Marmion (Corinthians/Connacht)
22. Ian Madigan (Blackrock/Leinster)
23. Tiernan O'Halloran (Buccaneers/Connacht) *


good to see a few new faces... definitely excited by an Olding/Henshaw midfield though Luke must be scratching his head. would rather have seen Dillane get a first start than Roux.

[Eugene Wrayburn]

He was ending up as a first receiver often in the way Ulster were attacking. We think Stu can bring a little bit of the same, the fact that he's a left footer as well. That brings a little bit of a different dimension technically because we'd normally have a number of left footers in our back-line but without Rob Kearney, Luke Fitzgerald and Simon Zebo, we're very right-foot dominant so there's a few different things that he can bring to the equation.

Outrageous prefence for left footers!

Just when I think I've got Schmidt sussed he pulls out a 5 change team after the biggest win of my lifetime. I wonder whether this was always the plan. Poor Luke Marshall. Glad to see TOH involved, though I'd probably have started him ahead of Gilroy and I don't particularly see the need to drop Earls.

[hellovating]

i don't think anyone should consider themselves dropped for this one... looks like genuine rotation after a long hard season. i probably would have been more annoyed if he hadn't tried out a few of the new faces.

[mcshinnertheligind]

Yup
Rotation rather than relegation.

Nice to see you back Hellov !

[hellovating]

cheers boss

[Lizard]

1. Why would you make so many changes, including bringing in rookies, when you've got the chance to push for an historic series win in SA?

2. How exactly does one pronounce "Tadhg"?

[Eugene Wrayburn]

i don't think anyone should consider themselves dropped for this one... looks like genuine rotation after a long hard season. i probably would have been more annoyed if he hadn't tried out a few of the new faces.

Aye. I'm sure he'll have dealt with it sensibly. I'm a little surprised he'sdoing it before the third test and that he's rotating out Luke Marshall who is only just back in the fold.

[hellovating]

1. Why would you make so many changes, including bringing in rookies, when you've got the chance to push for an historic series win in SA?

2. How exactly does one pronounce "Tadhg"?

1. long hard season, i guess. added to that they just played 60 mins with 14 players. there was a degree of experimentation in the selection for the first test (we're missing something like 7 of the first choice 23 anyway) and he has continued with that. i think we have actually strengthened in some areas... i certainly prefer ruddock to murphy in the back row.

2. replace the tadh with tie... as in tie your shoelaces. tie-g.

[hellovating]

i don't think anyone should consider themselves dropped for this one... looks like genuine rotation after a long hard season. i probably would have been more annoyed if he hadn't tried out a few of the new faces.

Aye. I'm sure he'll have dealt with it sensibly. I'm a little surprised he's doing it before the third test and that he's rotating out Luke Marshall who is only just back in the fold.

yeah, luke is probably the unluckiest. i probably would have kept him in there, though i really want to see olding too.

mcgrath is surely due a rest for the third test... that guy is some workhorse.

[Lizard]

1. Why would you make so many changes, including bringing in rookies, when you've got the chance to push for an historic series win in SA?

2. How exactly does one pronounce "Tadhg"?

1. long hard season, i guess. added to that they just played 60 mins with 14 players. there was a degree of experimentation in the selection for the first test (we're missing something like 7 of the first choice 23 anyway) and he has continued with that. i think we have actually strengthened in some areas... i certainly prefer ruddock to murphy in the back row.

2. replace the tadh with tie... as in tie your shoelaces. tie-g.

1. Fair enough. Good on yers. Love seeing the Boer get rolled.

2. Like Tiger but without the "..er"?

[Mr Mwenda]

2. How exactly does one pronounce "Tadhg"?

2. replace the tadh with tie... as in tie your shoelaces. tie-g.

Woah! We had a lad play with is all the way through my junior rugby and we always pronounced it 'Tad' - his parents were Irish so he must have known. How silly we were.

[SerjeantWildgoose]

1. Why would you make so many changes, including bringing in rookies, when you've got the chance to push for an historic series win in SA?

2. How exactly does one pronounce "Tadhg"?

1. long hard season, i guess. added to that they just played 60 mins with 14 players. there was a degree of experimentation in the selection for the first test (we're missing something like 7 of the first choice 23 anyway) and he has continued with that. i think we have actually strengthened in some areas... i certainly prefer ruddock to murphy in the back row.

2. replace the tadh with tie... as in tie your shoelaces. tie-g.

1. Fair enough. Good on yers. Love seeing the Boer get rolled.

2. Like Tiger but without the "..er"?

Be careful mind. The way ye feckers muck about with vowels, ye could end up calling him a very nasty name - and he's a big hoore of a unit.

[Eugene Wrayburn]

i don't think anyone should consider themselves dropped for this one... looks like genuine rotation after a long hard season. i probably would have been more annoyed if he hadn't tried out a few of the new faces.

Aye. I'm sure he'll have dealt with it sensibly. I'm a little surprised he's doing it before the third test and that he's rotating out Luke Marshall who is only just back in the fold.

yeah, luke is probably the unluckiest. i probably would have kept him in there, though i really want to see olding too.

mcgrath is surely due a rest for the third test... that guy is some workhorse.

I'm quite excited about Olding as well. There's a genuine prospect of having more very good centre options than I can remember and enough to see us through our usual injury lists. I hope we'll see a lot more of Payne at full back for Ireland - albeit that now Ulster have signed Piutau we'll probably have to waste the kiwi in the centre. Actually if we end up with Trimble, Bowe, Olding, Marshall all regular Ireland squad members it's going to be a bit odd having one of them on the bench for an import.

[hellovating]

2. Like Tiger but without the "..er"?

exactly

[hellovating]

Actually if we end up with Trimble, Bowe, Olding, Marshall all regular Ireland squad members it's going to be a bit odd having one of them on the bench for an import.

if ye send a few more south, i won't complain.

[Eugene Wrayburn]

Actually if we end up with Trimble, Bowe, Olding, Marshall all regular Ireland squad members it's going to be a bit odd having one of them on the bench for an import.

if ye send a few more south, i won't complain.

The likelihood is that one of Trimble or Bowe will be injured, so we'll hang on to them tvm. Got to fit McCloskey in as well!

What's your take on what's going on at Munster? Axel out of his depth or you just don't have the players?