Re: Bledisoe I: Will it be another Austrailure? (probably)
Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2016 10:34 pm
by zer0
Old man Kaino also had another good game. Is he the new Brad Thorn? Rocking up to the 2019 RWC -- at 36 years old -- and still knocking people over and charging down kicks like no one else can?
Re: Bledisoe I: Will it be another Austrailure? (probably)
Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2016 8:40 am
by rowan
The Aussies have nothing to lose. Time to blood some newbies...
Re: Bledisoe I: Will it be another Austrailure? (probably)
Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2016 11:31 am
by scuzzaman
rowan wrote:The Aussies have nothing to lose. Time to blood some newbies...
Then the question becomes, how many successive losses can their coach withstand before they decide to start rebuilding at the top?
if they lose twice to Argentina and South Africa, and come home with the wooden spoon and 10 losses in a row, will they send the same coach on a 5 nations tour, to "rebuild" ... ?
Has any coach, ever, survived that?
Re: Bledisoe I: Will it be another Austrailure? (probably)
Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2016 12:12 pm
by Lizard
Does anyone know where I can get a vid of the whole match? I want to watch it again but someone deleted my recording.
Re: Bledisoe I: Will it be another Austrailure? (probably)
Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2016 12:35 pm
by Lizard
scuzzaman wrote:
rowan wrote:The Aussies have nothing to lose. Time to blood some newbies...
Then the question becomes, how many successive losses can their coach withstand before they decide to start rebuilding at the top?
if they lose twice to Argentina and South Africa, and come home with the wooden spoon and 10 losses in a row, will they send the same coach on a 5 nations tour, to "rebuild" ... ?
Has any coach, ever, survived that?
If we limit it to pro-era Aussie coaches, no.
Well, McKenzie got the flick following a 2 win/4 loss/1 draw RC/BC season. His worst losing streak was 3 tests in the 2013 RC, and again in his last 3 (last 2 in RC and BC3)
The last straw for Dingo was a 2-1 series loss to the Lions. (Worst run: 4 in a row, 2009 3N)
John Connolly got the DCM after QF exit in RWC2007. Worst run was only 2 losses in 3006 3N, followed by a draw in Wales.
Eddie Jones was shown the door after winning only 1 of his last 9 tests (in SA, 2005 3N, and NH tour). That included his worst streak of 7 losses including a whitewash in that 3N.
Rod McQueen bowed out on a reasonably strong note, 2-1 win over the 2001 Lions. He never lost more than 2 in a row.
Greg Smith lost his last two test (1997 3N) which equalled his worst ever run.
Re: RE: Re: Bledisoe I: Will it be another Austrailure? (probably)
Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2016 7:23 pm
by canta_brian
Lizard wrote:Does anyone know where I can get a vid of the whole match? I want to watch it again but someone deleted my recording.
Can't believe you allow other family members access to the remote!
Re: Bledisoe I: Will it be another Austrailure? (probably)
Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2016 8:55 pm
by Lizard
canta_brian wrote:
Lizard wrote:Does anyone know where I can get a vid of the whole match? I want to watch it again but someone deleted my recording.
Can't believe you allow other family members access to the remote!
It was a moment of madness.
Re: Bledisoe I: Will it be another Austrailure? (probably)
Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2016 9:02 pm
by rowan
To be honest, I don't think the Aussies will be too worried about this. If you're going to have a crap year best get it out of your system straight after the World Cup and start building from there. We all know the All Blacks are in a class of their own, only the Boks come close for depth, and so you're going to get thrashed by them every now and again. That's life. In fact, the Wallabies' form was fairly woeful after the previous World Cup as well. They lost to Scotland at the end of the year, then got hammered by the All Blacks, Boks and French in 2012.
As far as the bugging thing goes, I suspect that was more likely to have been the media than anyone else. Rugby's answer to the British phone-hacking scandal perhaps? Or was it Kiwileaks?
Re: Bledisoe I: Will it be another Austrailure? (probably)
Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2016 9:25 pm
by morepork
Stuart Lancaster for Wallabies coach?
The universe would smile...
Re: Bledisoe I: Will it be another Austrailure? (probably)
Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2016 9:32 pm
by rowan
How about Ben Ryan ?
Re: Bledisoe I: Will it be another Austrailure? (probably)
Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2016 9:42 pm
by morepork
rowan wrote:How about Ben Ryan ?
There are more Fijians in the England team.
Re: Bledisoe I: Will it be another Austrailure? (probably)
Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2016 12:41 am
by Spy
rowan wrote:To be honest, I don't think the Aussies will be too worried about this. If you're going to have a crap year best get it out of your system straight after the World Cup and start building from there. We all know the All Blacks are in a class of their own, only the Boks come close for depth, and so you're going to get thrashed by them every now and again. That's life. In fact, the Wallabies' form was fairly woeful after the previous World Cup as well. They lost to Scotland at the end of the year, then got hammered by the All Blacks, Boks and French in 2012.
As far as the bugging thing goes, I suspect that was more likely to have been the media than anyone else. Rugby's answer to the British phone-hacking scandal perhaps? Or was it Kiwileaks?
The Australian mindset is great at bouncing back. Even so, a genuine hiding of this nature is not a good thing for the game in Australia. They've been a bit crap for a while, WC final and last years 4N success notwithstanding, but this utter pantsing will be hurting them. Surely.
Re the bug, there's probably 6 possibilities:
Australian Rugby did it (at some level)
Other Rugby interests did it (ie South Africa)
Betting agencies did it (although I'm not sure as to what purpose)
Media did it (again, not sure to what end)
NZ rugby set it up as a mind game
It's nothing to do with the All Blacks or rugby at all, and was left over from some previous operation
I wouldn't be surprised if it was nothing to do with rugby. Either that or Cheika's involved. He looks like a shady Chandler-esque PI. He'd have some underworld contacts.
Re: Bledisoe I: Will it be another Austrailure? (probably)
Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2016 2:33 am
by Lizard
The Aussie Guy In The Next Office doesn't look like bouncing back any time soon. I was all prepared to give TAGITNO a bit of banter but I couldn't get a word as he explained in far better and lengthier technical detail than I could just how utterly shit the Wallabies were. He was seriously pissed off. I nearly felt sorry enough for him to remind him that Aussie won the 1st ODI in Sri Lanka, but not quite.
Re: Bledisoe I: Will it be another Austrailure? (probably)
Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2016 8:51 am
by rowan
Just saying that being on the receiving end of a thrashing from the All Blacks once in a while is business as usual and the Wallabies are playing them three times a season. Last year the Wallabies were thrashed by NZ right before the RWC, but went on to reach the final. Two years ago they conceded half a century against them but beat SA in their next game. Four years ago they were nilled 22-0 by the All Blacks at Eden Park but drew their very next game with them. & five years ago they were decisively beaten at the same venue only to bo.unce back with victories over both SA & NZ. So long as they're only getting pasted once a season, I don't think it's time for panic stations yet...
Re: Bledisoe I: Will it be another Austrailure? (probably)
Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2016 8:59 am
by rowan
I'd actually be a lot more concerned about the poor showing of the Aussie sides in Super Rugby, if I were a member of the ARU. Given they contain the bulk of Australia's playing population, NSW and Q'Land should always be up there with the frontrunners.
Re: Bledisoe I: Will it be another Austrailure? (probably)
Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2016 9:24 am
by Which Tyler
Spy wrote:Re the bug, there's probably 6 possibilities:
Australian Rugby did it (at some level)
Other Rugby interests did it (ie South Africa)
Betting agencies did it (although I'm not sure as to what purpose)
Media did it (again, not sure to what end)
NZ rugby set it up as a mind game
It's nothing to do with the All Blacks or rugby at all, and was left over from some previous operation
I wouldn't be surprised if it was nothing to do with rugby. Either that or Cheika's involved. He looks like a shady Chandler-esque PI. He'd have some underworld contacts.
It was done far too professionally to be believable as a rugby thing. Corporate espionage of a previous user of the room is by far the most likely, with the media being a distant second, and everything else more paranoia than anything else.
Re: Bledisoe I: Will it be another Austrailure? (probably)
Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2016 11:13 am
by Lizard
Well the latest story on Twitter is that an Australian govt agency has already informed the police that it was them that planted it as part of a lawful but embarrassing previous mission (possibly spying on friendlies?). The police will therefore have to find a way to discreetly drop their investigation, possibly by failing to identify any suspects.
Re: Bledisoe I: Will it be another Austrailure? (probably)
Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2016 4:22 pm
by J Dory
Watched the replay last night. One performance that stood out for me was Fekitoa. Absolutely immense on defense. Didn't see any stats but his tackle count must have been up there. More than that was his effort position wise. Would tackle, get up, run to the other side of the field, he was everywhere. Not too shabby on attack either. Feeling better about our mid field stocks after that performance.
Re: Bledisoe I: Will it be another Austrailure? (probably)
Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2016 4:24 pm
by J Dory
Lizard wrote:Does anyone know where I can get a vid of the whole match? I want to watch it again but someone deleted my recording.
This was working yesterday...
Re: Bledisoe I: Will it be another Austrailure? (probably)
Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2016 11:44 am
by rowan
David Moffet's blaming Super Rugby. He says fans are not interested in the new format and Australia has too many teams. He would kick Japan out and axe one of the Aussie franchises, and go back to a Super 12.
"SANZAAR has taken the view it is for them to develop rugby outside Europe and that's not its role," he added.
"The pursuit of quantity over quality is a nightmare with Japan, other weaker teams involved and talk of 20 and 24 teams in the future.
"Fans switched off from the ludicrous four-conference format this year when all they want to turn them on again is a competition they understand and quality.
"I'd return the competition to 12 teams and play home-and-away with four each from Australia, NZ and South Africa.
"Getting rid of the Rebels or Force would be tough on them but why are we paying journeyman players big money to pad out five teams when we only have the strength for four.
"The Super Rugby set-up is part of the Wallabies' downfall."
So which of the Kiwi teams would he kicked out?
& a home & away Super 12 would entail 22 games plus playoffs
Re: Bledisoe I: Will it be another Austrailure? (probably)
Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2016 12:06 pm
by Lizard
Both Rugby360 (Aussie) and The Breakdown (NZ) theorise that Cheika over cooked the Wallabies in camp. Both also criticised the selection of European based players.
Re: Bledisoe I: Will it be another Austrailure? (probably)
Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2016 9:49 pm
by Spy
Which Tyler wrote:
Spy wrote:Re the bug, there's probably 6 possibilities:
Australian Rugby did it (at some level)
Other Rugby interests did it (ie South Africa)
Betting agencies did it (although I'm not sure as to what purpose)
Media did it (again, not sure to what end)
NZ rugby set it up as a mind game
It's nothing to do with the All Blacks or rugby at all, and was left over from some previous operation
I wouldn't be surprised if it was nothing to do with rugby. Either that or Cheika's involved. He looks like a shady Chandler-esque PI. He'd have some underworld contacts.
It was done far too professionally to be believable as a rugby thing. Corporate espionage of a previous user of the room is by far the most likely, with the media being a distant second, and everything else more paranoia than anything else.
The Weekend Herald also understands from a well-placed Australian source that the sophisticated listening device, found concealed in a chair, only had a battery life of around three days - and was still operational when discovered by All Blacks security personnel.
The twist suggests the All Blacks were the specific target of the bug and its presence in their hotel meeting room was not from a previous deployment.
Re: Bledisoe I: Will it be another Austrailure? (probably)
Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2017 9:29 am
by Spy
So this story has come back to life, with the arrest of a man who has apparently worked as a contractor for the All Blacks.
All Blacks coach Steve Hansen described as "bizarre" the arrest of a security consultant employed by his team in the infamous "Spygate" case.
New South Wales police said that a 51-year-old had been arrested on a "public mischief" charge following the discovery of a listening device in the team's InterContinental Hotel in Sydney's Double Bay before the All Blacks' record-breaking 42-8 Bledisloe Cup thrashing of the Wallabies last August.
In a statement released by New Zealand Rugby, Hansen said: "Frankly, the charge seems bizarre and unbelievable. The charged man has worked for the All Blacks, and many other organisations, for a long time and is someone who is ... well-respected by us.
"However, as with all cases before the courts [it is not right] for us to make any further comment as this could jeopardise the outcome of the case."
As Hansen hinted, the arrest of a man named by Sydney's Daily Telegraph and other Australian news organisations as Adrian Gard prompted more questions than answers and is another development in one of the more extraordinary of rugby stories in recent history.
Gard works for BGI Security. His brother Ashley, the company's director, declined to comment when approached last night by the Herald.
Obviously still an evolving story, with plenty more questions to be answered.
Re: Bledisoe I: Will it be another Austrailure? (probably)
Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2017 9:36 am
by Spy
Meanwhile the head of the ARU still seems to think that the biggest scandal was that the story broke on matchday. Jesus, Bill. It wasn't your wedding day, even though you did get fucked.
The motive behind the planting of the bug in an All Blacks' team room remains unknown, but Australian Rugby Union chief executive Bill Pulver was quick to draw a line under the affair.
Pulver commended the police for their investigation but said in a statement released quickly after the police announcement: "The aspect that still leaves a bitter taste out of this whole affair is that the discovery of the device was reported publicly on game day, when it is understood the alleged discovery of the device occurred much earlier in the week.
"Clearly the media attention which resulted from it was a distraction that neither team needed on the morning of a very important test match.
"The ARU and the Wallabies were never accused of any wrongdoing, however it was still important that this matter reached a conclusion to provide complete reassurance to all fans that the organisation and the team had no part in any of this."
Re: Bledisoe I: Will it be another Austrailure? (probably)
Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2017 9:57 am
by Parsifal
rowan wrote:
As far as the bugging thing goes, I suspect that was more likely to have been the media than anyone else. Rugby's answer to the British phone-hacking scandal perhaps? Or was it Kiwileaks?
