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Banquo wrote:Meanwhile, intensive care outcomes look pretty bad- not sure if there is a comparator out there? It could well be folks are being admitted too late.

Son of Mathonwy wrote:

Mellsblue wrote:

Son of Mathonwy wrote: Look, if you said I'd misunderstood one of your posts, I'd read it.
If you want to have an honest discussion, my post is near the bottom of page 12.

You’ve repeatedly misunderstood my posts or just ignored points.
I am having an honest discussion. It’s not really been possible when you continue to insist all countries have exactly the same issues when battling the spread of the disease, despite this not being the case, when you jump to definite conclusions despite us being at the very start of this fight and using the Chinese Communist Party as some some sort of model to follow.
I’ll leave it here.

Okay, we disagree.
My feeling is that you are refusing to draw any conclusions which suggest we could be doing things substantially better, regardless of the evidence, because of some differences between the UK (or the West) and South Korea. China is a red herring, since everything I'm arguing for is being done by democratic South Korea.
I’ll leave it here.

Digby wrote:

Banquo wrote:Meanwhile, intensive care outcomes look pretty bad- not sure if there is a comparator out there? It could well be folks are being admitted too late.

And in worse news admissions for things like heart attacks are way way down, which means people aren't getting the much simpler treatment now following chest pains and we're just storing up problems

Digby wrote: And in worse news admissions for things like heart attacks are way way down, which means people aren't getting the much simpler treatment now following chest pains and we're just storing up problems

Galfon wrote:

Digby wrote: And in worse news admissions for things like heart attacks are way way down, which means people aren't getting the much simpler treatment now following chest pains and we're just storing up problems

Paediatrics & Ante-natal units too - the fear factor with Covid is having real ripple-out impact on lives.

Banquo wrote:It'll take a long, long time to catch up.

Son of Mathonwy wrote:

morepork wrote:Ideally, in a cold hearted clinical context we would like to plot total deaths for this time of year against deaths during the onset of community virus spread (again differences in testing are a confound) in a population that has resisted social distancing. An unethical experiment variable yes, but it would sort the argument out. Would require transparency in normal data. All this globalism and no reliable commonly accessible data base. We really do fuck ourselves with the long fetid dick of the free market don’t we?

We're never going to be able to do double-blind, randomized controlled studies on this. As you say, a little unethical. We can only do our best to get comparable numbers. If we don't make some assumptions it will be impossible to compare anything.

Digby wrote:

Son of Mathonwy wrote:

Mellsblue wrote: You’ve repeatedly misunderstood my posts or just ignored points.
I am having an honest discussion. It’s not really been possible when you continue to insist all countries have exactly the same issues when battling the spread of the disease, despite this not being the case, when you jump to definite conclusions despite us being at the very start of this fight and using the Chinese Communist Party as some some sort of model to follow.
I’ll leave it here.

Okay, we disagree.
My feeling is that you are refusing to draw any conclusions which suggest we could be doing things substantially better, regardless of the evidence, because of some differences between the UK (or the West) and South Korea. China is a red herring, since everything I'm arguing for is being done by democratic South Korea.
I’ll leave it here.

I'm guessing there's quite a number of things about South Korea you wouldn't like. My impression isn't that you're over on the right of the Tory party with the likes of Mogg

morepork wrote:https://www.pnas.org/content/104/18/7582

Mellsblue wrote:

morepork wrote:https://www.pnas.org/content/104/18/7582

That’s very informative, thank you. My biggest take, and there’s loads to take from that, is that your response is all about balancing the effects of your actions. Everything you do has a negative and a positive, it’s a case of weighing it all up and making a decision as best you can. It also proves that this ain’t over until the geeks in the labs work their magic.
All that said, I’m not sure that a report authored by Dick Hatchett and published by pnas isn’t just a massive wind up.

morepork wrote:

Mellsblue wrote:

morepork wrote:https://www.pnas.org/content/104/18/7582

That’s very informative, thank you. My biggest take, and there’s loads to take from that, is that your response is all about balancing the effects of your actions. Everything you do has a negative and a positive, it’s a case of weighing it all up and making a decision as best you can. It also proves that this ain’t over until the geeks in the labs work their magic.
All that said, I’m not sure that a report authored by Dick Hatchett and published by pnas isn’t just a massive wind up.

How old are you?

Banquo wrote:Get a sty, boys

Sandydragon wrote: After being held up as an alternative, Sweden is looking like there could be problems there..

morepork wrote:

Banquo wrote:Get a sty, boys

Spit roast?

There’s plenty of room hon.

Digby wrote:After all the above which frankly as a bunch of statements I think anyone would find hard to swallow there's some good news, parliament is on the way back, it'll be going virtual from 21st April