I loved season 1, thought it was amazing and I totally bought into mcconaugheys character. The language apparently draws heavily from the conspiracy against the human race by Thomas ligotti (I have not read this but a more learned friend is fairly enamoured with it)Son of Mathonwy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2024 8:34 pmI've watched all of True Detective over the last couple of months. I'm not normally one for detective shows but this is good (well, until season 4).paddy no 11 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2024 5:53 pmI thought the final episode was more miss than hit. Enjoyed up to that.
Navarjo was great. The sisterhood covering up loose ends and plot holes at the end was a little irritating
Wouldn't put anyone off watching it
Season1: the Harrelson/McConaughey double act is pretty enjoyable (as with Nicolas Cage you cannot take McConaughey seriously), the title sequence is great, the grittiness yet overly theatrical dialogue somehow works (and sets the tone for the whole show). The last episode is a bit of a let down . . .Season 2: more grim and depressing than the first, with a more complex story and 4 protagonists, but if you can get past unusually philosophical mobster Vaughn there's much to enjoy here.► Show Spoiler
Season 3: probably the best season overall, a very well written and constructed story over three time periods, with a nice balance of light and dark. Okay, quite a lot of dark but this is True Detective.
Season 4: by a long way the weakest season and barely recognisable as the same show. Yes, there is a very, very strong feminist message here, but it feels more like someone wrote a couple of troubled, arsehole male cops then switched their sexes in the last draft (I'm sure that wasn't the case but it might as well have been). Some really stupid elements to the plot . . .Acting is good as ever, although I think Foster was a bit miscast (or maybe just badly written?). Although Reis does claim to have some Native American ancestry it would have been better IMO to have cast someone who looked like they did (unlike the actors for the more minor parts, who did). Unlike the other seasons the title sequence doesn't show the actors' faces merged with the imagery - a minor mistake IMO.► Show Spoiler
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Finally got around to watching Breathtaking.
It made me bgry, all over again.
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I think Season 1 was my favourite then season 3, I didn't enjoy season 2 at all and season 4 had all sorts if plot holes but I think I still preferred it to S2 on the strength of the cast as much as anything, I would probably watch S4 again which can't be said for S2 (Vince Vaughan is not good at all)paddy no 11 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 28, 2024 5:05 pmI loved season 1, thought it was amazing and I totally bought into mcconaugheys character. The language apparently draws heavily from the conspiracy against the human race by Thomas ligotti (I have not read this but a more learned friend is fairly enamoured with it)Son of Mathonwy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2024 8:34 pmI've watched all of True Detective over the last couple of months. I'm not normally one for detective shows but this is good (well, until season 4).paddy no 11 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2024 5:53 pm
I thought the final episode was more miss than hit. Enjoyed up to that.
Navarjo was great. The sisterhood covering up loose ends and plot holes at the end was a little irritating
Wouldn't put anyone off watching it
Season1: the Harrelson/McConaughey double act is pretty enjoyable (as with Nicolas Cage you cannot take McConaughey seriously), the title sequence is great, the grittiness yet overly theatrical dialogue somehow works (and sets the tone for the whole show). The last episode is a bit of a let down . . .Season 2: more grim and depressing than the first, with a more complex story and 4 protagonists, but if you can get past unusually philosophical mobster Vaughn there's much to enjoy here.► Show Spoiler
Season 3: probably the best season overall, a very well written and constructed story over three time periods, with a nice balance of light and dark. Okay, quite a lot of dark but this is True Detective.
Season 4: by a long way the weakest season and barely recognisable as the same show. Yes, there is a very, very strong feminist message here, but it feels more like someone wrote a couple of troubled, arsehole male cops then switched their sexes in the last draft (I'm sure that wasn't the case but it might as well have been). Some really stupid elements to the plot . . .Acting is good as ever, although I think Foster was a bit miscast (or maybe just badly written?). Although Reis does claim to have some Native American ancestry it would have been better IMO to have cast someone who looked like they did (unlike the actors for the more minor parts, who did). Unlike the other seasons the title sequence doesn't show the actors' faces merged with the imagery - a minor mistake IMO.► Show Spoiler
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Yeah, s1 and 3 were the strongest, definitely. I did enjoy 2 but perhaps it could have done with a couple of percent more hope. Have to credit the commitment, though - no punches were pulled at the end. 4 was worth watching but definitely weak.Numbers wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2024 3:53 pmI think Season 1 was my favourite then season 3, I didn't enjoy season 2 at all and season 4 had all sorts if plot holes but I think I still preferred it to S2 on the strength of the cast as much as anything, I would probably watch S4 again which can't be said for S2 (Vince Vaughan is not good at all)paddy no 11 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 28, 2024 5:05 pmI loved season 1, thought it was amazing and I totally bought into mcconaugheys character. The language apparently draws heavily from the conspiracy against the human race by Thomas ligotti (I have not read this but a more learned friend is fairly enamoured with it)Son of Mathonwy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 27, 2024 8:34 pm
I've watched all of True Detective over the last couple of months. I'm not normally one for detective shows but this is good (well, until season 4).
Season1: the Harrelson/McConaughey double act is pretty enjoyable (as with Nicolas Cage you cannot take McConaughey seriously), the title sequence is great, the grittiness yet overly theatrical dialogue somehow works (and sets the tone for the whole show). The last episode is a bit of a let down . . .Season 2: more grim and depressing than the first, with a more complex story and 4 protagonists, but if you can get past unusually philosophical mobster Vaughn there's much to enjoy here.► Show Spoiler
Season 3: probably the best season overall, a very well written and constructed story over three time periods, with a nice balance of light and dark. Okay, quite a lot of dark but this is True Detective.
Season 4: by a long way the weakest season and barely recognisable as the same show. Yes, there is a very, very strong feminist message here, but it feels more like someone wrote a couple of troubled, arsehole male cops then switched their sexes in the last draft (I'm sure that wasn't the case but it might as well have been). Some really stupid elements to the plot . . .Acting is good as ever, although I think Foster was a bit miscast (or maybe just badly written?). Although Reis does claim to have some Native American ancestry it would have been better IMO to have cast someone who looked like they did (unlike the actors for the more minor parts, who did). Unlike the other seasons the title sequence doesn't show the actors' faces merged with the imagery - a minor mistake IMO.► Show Spoiler
I will have to read some Ligotti. I can't quite take that philosophy seriously in the dialogue though; there's some logic to it but anyone who actually believes it should be on suicide watch. Seems more likely to me that Rust is putting on an act, at least to some extent.
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I think Russ is or was suicidal, he says something along the lines of "I'd kill myself but I lack the moral fortitude"Son of Mathonwy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2024 6:12 pmYeah, s1 and 3 were the strongest, definitely. I did enjoy 2 but perhaps it could have done with a couple of percent more hope. Have to credit the commitment, though - no punches were pulled at the end. 4 was worth watching but definitely weak.Numbers wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2024 3:53 pmI think Season 1 was my favourite then season 3, I didn't enjoy season 2 at all and season 4 had all sorts if plot holes but I think I still preferred it to S2 on the strength of the cast as much as anything, I would probably watch S4 again which can't be said for S2 (Vince Vaughan is not good at all)paddy no 11 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 28, 2024 5:05 pm
I loved season 1, thought it was amazing and I totally bought into mcconaugheys character. The language apparently draws heavily from the conspiracy against the human race by Thomas ligotti (I have not read this but a more learned friend is fairly enamoured with it)
I will have to read some Ligotti. I can't quite take that philosophy seriously in the dialogue though; there's some logic to it but anyone who actually believes it should be on suicide watch. Seems more likely to me that Rust is putting on an act, at least to some extent.
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Vince Vaughn really does suck, both as an actor and a human, but I did think there were some great elements in season 2.
1 was largely amazing, though I also thought the very end was a bit weak. It’s crazy how much it has been ripped off in the years since it came out. It does feel kind of dated already but all the rambling, artsy, philosophical stuff is fucking great.
I love Mahershala Ali and thought he was incredible for the half a season I watched of 3, but it just didn’t grab me overall. I think there was such an over-saturation of glossy, but mostly shallow, ‘prestige’ TV murder/detective shows since the first series that I just couldn’t separate it from all the other dross. Maybe I should give it another shot.
1 was largely amazing, though I also thought the very end was a bit weak. It’s crazy how much it has been ripped off in the years since it came out. It does feel kind of dated already but all the rambling, artsy, philosophical stuff is fucking great.
I love Mahershala Ali and thought he was incredible for the half a season I watched of 3, but it just didn’t grab me overall. I think there was such an over-saturation of glossy, but mostly shallow, ‘prestige’ TV murder/detective shows since the first series that I just couldn’t separate it from all the other dross. Maybe I should give it another shot.
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Watched Domino Day recently on BBC - urban fantasy story about witches in current-day Manchester, with a newcomer to the town lost and out of contorl of her power and trying to work out who to trust and where to turn for help. Was a fun watch - not something I'm going, "My gods, you **must** watch this," but was an enjoyable fantasy story (and unreasonably sexy in a lot of places) and I'd be keen to see it get a second season.
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yeah, well with that philosophy you almost have to claim to want to kill yourself, but the acid test is, has he killed himself yet? Too intelligent and introspective for his job. Which makes for great TV.paddy no 11 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2024 2:18 pmI think Russ is or was suicidal, he says something along the lines of "I'd kill myself but I lack the moral fortitude"Son of Mathonwy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2024 6:12 pmYeah, s1 and 3 were the strongest, definitely. I did enjoy 2 but perhaps it could have done with a couple of percent more hope. Have to credit the commitment, though - no punches were pulled at the end. 4 was worth watching but definitely weak.Numbers wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2024 3:53 pm
I think Season 1 was my favourite then season 3, I didn't enjoy season 2 at all and season 4 had all sorts if plot holes but I think I still preferred it to S2 on the strength of the cast as much as anything, I would probably watch S4 again which can't be said for S2 (Vince Vaughan is not good at all)
I will have to read some Ligotti. I can't quite take that philosophy seriously in the dialogue though; there's some logic to it but anyone who actually believes it should be on suicide watch. Seems more likely to me that Rust is putting on an act, at least to some extent.
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Watching 3 Body Problem and I've been in 2 minds about it but they've just sliced up the ship and it was a weirdly shit thing to do and now I've completely lost interest.
It was so much easier to blame Them. It was bleakly depressing to think They were Us. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.
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I've just read the book and am halfway through the Chinese TV show ie Three-Body (I thought it might be more authentic than Netflix's westernized version). It's 30 episodes long though, so is taking its time. . .Donny osmond wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2024 8:47 pm Watching 3 Body Problem and I've been in 2 minds about it but they've just sliced up the ship and it was a weirdly shit thing to do and now I've completely lost interest.
Of course I'll watch the Netflix version after than, so I expect to be completely confused between the book and two TV shows.
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Not sure why I'm posting this is the Good TV Shows thread but I finally got to the end of Lost. It only took ~20 years .
I had watched the first two seasons at the time (really enjoyed it initially) but stopped when C4 stopped showing it.
I think by the end I was just watching it to see if the end was as bad, and explained as little, as I expected. It was, and did.
I had watched the first two seasons at the time (really enjoyed it initially) but stopped when C4 stopped showing it.
I think by the end I was just watching it to see if the end was as bad, and explained as little, as I expected. It was, and did.
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Lost lost me when they found the trapdoor...so I got about 6 episodes inSon of Mathonwy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 08, 2024 1:45 pm Not sure why I'm posting this is the Good TV Shows thread but I finally got to the end of Lost. It only took ~20 years .
I had watched the first two seasons at the time (really enjoyed it initially) but stopped when C4 stopped showing it.
I think by the end I was just watching it to see if the end was as bad, and explained as little, as I expected. It was, and did.
Just like Breaking Bad. I really liked the concept, but as soon as it's apparent he's not actually dying after 1 season, and it's another 284 season American style show...I'm outta there.
It's why I loved This Is Us or Ted Lasso. There was always an end. And at the end it felt complete. It didn't just drag on and on because it got ratings.
Or Fleabag: that was brilliant, too. Because it had an end. It didn't just keep on going.
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Add The Good Place and Crazy Ex-Girlfriend to shows that clearly knew what story they were telling, where they were going, and stuck the landing. Can't stand shows where the season finale is just "here's a cliffhanger that we clearly don't have a resolution worked out to; please renew us for another season". I want an actual story, not to be jerked around by a thinly veiled plea for another writing contract.Stom wrote: ↑Mon Apr 08, 2024 2:58 pmLost lost me when they found the trapdoor...so I got about 6 episodes inSon of Mathonwy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 08, 2024 1:45 pm Not sure why I'm posting this is the Good TV Shows thread but I finally got to the end of Lost. It only took ~20 years .
I had watched the first two seasons at the time (really enjoyed it initially) but stopped when C4 stopped showing it.
I think by the end I was just watching it to see if the end was as bad, and explained as little, as I expected. It was, and did.
Just like Breaking Bad. I really liked the concept, but as soon as it's apparent he's not actually dying after 1 season, and it's another 284 season American style show...I'm outta there.
It's why I loved This Is Us or Ted Lasso. There was always an end. And at the end it felt complete. It didn't just drag on and on because it got ratings.
Or Fleabag: that was brilliant, too. Because it had an end. It didn't just keep on going.
Lost was the epitome of that. No clue of what it was doing or where it was going and failed miserably to follow through on anything. I think I watched three or four seasons before giving up and then just read the Wikipedia summary of how it ended.
Currently been watching Upload, which is a fun sci-fi series with some interesting ideas about identity and mortality and unrestricted capitalism/oligarchism, but I'm a bit worried that the writers there are winging it as well - although I have just googled it and it's apparently been renewed for its fourth and confirmed final season, so hopefully the ending is already planned.
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Watched two episodes and went from enjoying it to detesting it fairly quickly. The characterisation is flat and everyone has been oversimplified. The book is a work of art because all of the Japanese lords have their own agenda and everyone believes they are right. The discord of the Council of Regents is the heart of the book and is why it's a clever idea: Kiyama and Onoshi (or Ohno as he is in the show) hate each other and are fierce rivals, Ishido is a promoted peasant who hates the born nobles (and Toranaga as the epitome of the born nobles) and openly hates and scorns Christianity but is fiercely loyal to the Heir, Sugiyama and Toranaga are tradition-bound and disdainful of Ishido's heritage. They're supposed to be 5 cats in a bag and the fact that they've all united against Toranaga is a massive shock and uneasy alliance where they all still hate each other, not this placid thing of bureaucrats. In addition, Yabu is a cunning bastard independent minor Lord, with about five different conspiracies going on at any given time, trying to decide which way to throw his meagre weight in the coming war. The Jesuits hate the Spaniards, the Spaniards resent being locked out of the Japanese trade, the Dutch don't trust their English pilot, the samurai hate the Christians but are worried the Portuguese will sail away and take trade with them if the priests are banned, the peasants are considering rebellion, the priests are considering ordering conquistadores - all of this has been flattened down into, "There's a secret base in Macao."Donny osmond wrote: ↑Thu Mar 28, 2024 6:43 amJust working thru this series now. You do need to get past the lead actor, for some reason he seems to be channeling Boris Johnson in his "Englishman interfaces with foreigners" impression. Once, if, you can get past that , the plot and dialogue is great.paddy no 11 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 10:43 amMaybe I'm being harsh, a lot depends on if you can handle the lead actor.
I have not read the book
In particular, the show does massive disservice to Toranaga and Blackthorne. The former is supposed to be an absolute political genius, playing people off against each other and leveraging everyome else's ambitions and animosities to work his way out of an impossible situation, riding his luck to get to victory. Here, he's just someone that things sort of happen to. Blackthorne however is a different kind of genius - a curious polymath polyglot who loves learning and experiencing new things and who genuinely befriends Rodriguez, Alvito, Mariko, and Toranaga with his charm and interest. He is seduced by the country and the culture, changing from a very Eurocentric frame of mind into one that makes you understand how his historical inspiration became a Western samurai. Instead, we have got some imbecile who has spent half his time growling "This is not how I die" and who has shown no curiosity, no interest, and nothing of *why* he's so valuable to Toranaga and so dangerous to the Christian lords.
I get that it's a very, very, very long book and they aren't going to fit everything in, but they have removed *all* of the complexities and it's a pale poor shadow of the story that I love.
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No, please don't put Breaking Bad in the same category as Lost. Just no. Breaking Bad is genuinely top quality TV, not the made up as you go shite that Lost proved itself to be.Stom wrote: ↑Mon Apr 08, 2024 2:58 pmLost lost me when they found the trapdoor...so I got about 6 episodes inSon of Mathonwy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 08, 2024 1:45 pm Not sure why I'm posting this is the Good TV Shows thread but I finally got to the end of Lost. It only took ~20 years .
I had watched the first two seasons at the time (really enjoyed it initially) but stopped when C4 stopped showing it.
I think by the end I was just watching it to see if the end was as bad, and explained as little, as I expected. It was, and did.
Just like Breaking Bad. I really liked the concept, but as soon as it's apparent he's not actually dying after 1 season, and it's another 284 season American style show...I'm outta there.
It's why I loved This Is Us or Ted Lasso. There was always an end. And at the end it felt complete. It didn't just drag on and on because it got ratings.
Or Fleabag: that was brilliant, too. Because it had an end. It didn't just keep on going.
I know, ultimately it's all subjective but BB was tightly focused on the progress (or descent) of one character and for me never got flabby or padded or outstayed its welcome. Lost promised initially fascinating mysteries which were never understood even by the writers and hence never adequately explained (often they were left forgotten), and the show was a case study in how to extend a situation indefinitely by rotating the focus between the many many characters (and hoping that the viewers will forget the contradictions due to the sheer passage of time since a particular storyline was last looked at).
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Alternatively, if you are interested in western influence on Japan but don't want to think too hard (or, even better, not at all), try Blue Eye Samurai . it's beautiful if rather simple (and in the end very very very dumb).Puja wrote: ↑Tue Apr 09, 2024 12:41 amWatched two episodes and went from enjoying it to detesting it fairly quickly. The characterisation is flat and everyone has been oversimplified. The book is a work of art because all of the Japanese lords have their own agenda and everyone believes they are right. The discord of the Council of Regents is the heart of the book and is why it's a clever idea: Kiyama and Onoshi (or Ohno as he is in the show) hate each other and are fierce rivals, Ishido is a promoted peasant who hates the born nobles (and Toranaga as the epitome of the born nobles) and openly hates and scorns Christianity but is fiercely loyal to the Heir, Sugiyama and Toranaga are tradition-bound and disdainful of Ishido's heritage. They're supposed to be 5 cats in a bag and the fact that they've all united against Toranaga is a massive shock and uneasy alliance where they all still hate each other, not this placid thing of bureaucrats. In addition, Yabu is a cunning bastard independent minor Lord, with about five different conspiracies going on at any given time, trying to decide which way to throw his meagre weight in the coming war. The Jesuits hate the Spaniards, the Spaniards resent being locked out of the Japanese trade, the Dutch don't trust their English pilot, the samurai hate the Christians but are worried the Portuguese will sail away and take trade with them if the priests are banned, the peasants are considering rebellion, the priests are considering ordering conquistadores - all of this has been flattened down into, "There's a secret base in Macao."Donny osmond wrote: ↑Thu Mar 28, 2024 6:43 amJust working thru this series now. You do need to get past the lead actor, for some reason he seems to be channeling Boris Johnson in his "Englishman interfaces with foreigners" impression. Once, if, you can get past that , the plot and dialogue is great.paddy no 11 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 10:43 am
Maybe I'm being harsh, a lot depends on if you can handle the lead actor.
I have not read the book
In particular, the show does massive disservice to Toranaga and Blackthorne. The former is supposed to be an absolute political genius, playing people off against each other and leveraging everyome else's ambitions and animosities to work his way out of an impossible situation, riding his luck to get to victory. Here, he's just someone that things sort of happen to. Blackthorne however is a different kind of genius - a curious polymath polyglot who loves learning and experiencing new things and who genuinely befriends Rodriguez, Alvito, Mariko, and Toranaga with his charm and interest. He is seduced by the country and the culture, changing from a very Eurocentric frame of mind into one that makes you understand how his historical inspiration became a Western samurai. Instead, we have got some imbecile who has spent half his time growling "This is not how I die" and who has shown no curiosity, no interest, and nothing of *why* he's so valuable to Toranaga and so dangerous to the Christian lords.
I get that it's a very, very, very long book and they aren't going to fit everything in, but they have removed *all* of the complexities and it's a pale poor shadow of the story that I love.
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I binged Regime laast night, the Kate Winslet black comedy, enjoyable nonsense.
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Watching baby reindeer on Netflix
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Episode 4 is very grim
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Loving Fallout so far. Not a gamer so not about to draw any comparisons, but to me it absolutely feels like what a TV series created from a video game should be. Fun nonsense.
It was so much easier to blame Them. It was bleakly depressing to think They were Us. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.
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the 2nd series of blue Lights is all on iPlayer, I watched it yesterday and thoroughly enjoyed it.
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I watched an episode of Fallout too. I’m completely baffled. I guess marketing really is effective.
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New season of Doctor Who. It's really not good. Space Babies is about as good as the title suggests, and seemed to be aimed at 8 year olds. It really isn't worth analysing. The Devil's Chord was better but was just a story about magic - anything could happen - and in the end seemed to be about who could ham it up the most. And the Doctor and Ruby - I'm not blaming the actors here but, Jesus if they could stop bigging themselves and each other up for a moment we might get a story.
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Mid-season 2 of The Big Door Prize on Apple TV. Weird premise, light-hearted more than 'comedy', slow as fuck.... but still, somehow, very very watchable.
Got half way thru Ripley and got bored. Slower than slow as fuck. Didn't care about any of the characters. Shite TV.
Got half way thru Ripley and got bored. Slower than slow as fuck. Didn't care about any of the characters. Shite TV.
It was so much easier to blame Them. It was bleakly depressing to think They were Us. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.