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Vengeful Glutton wrote:Hundreds? Hardly.

Strangely, not a word was uttered when Obama signed an EO placing further sanctions on North Korea, a country which has been devastated by American aspirations for global hegemony.

The Don signs an order "banning" muslims from entering the US for 120 days?

D'internet is outraged.

Yes. Hundreds.

[President] = [number of executive orders issued]
Harry S. Truman = 907
Dwight D. Eisenhower = 484
John F. Kennedy = 214
Lyndon B. Johnson = 325
Richard Nixon = 346
Gerald R. Ford = 169
Jimmy Carter = 320
Ronald Reagan = 381
George H.W. Bush = 166
Bill Clinton = 308
George W. Bush = 291
Barack Obama = 276

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_order

zer0 wrote:

Vengeful Glutton wrote:Hundreds? Hardly.

Strangely, not a word was uttered when Obama signed an EO placing further sanctions on North Korea, a country which has been devastated by American aspirations for global hegemony.

The Don signs an order "banning" muslims from entering the US for 120 days?

D'internet is outraged.

Yes. Hundreds.

[President] = [number of executive orders issued]
Harry S. Truman = 907
Dwight D. Eisenhower = 484
John F. Kennedy = 214
Lyndon B. Johnson = 325
Richard Nixon = 346
Gerald R. Ford = 169
Jimmy Carter = 320
Ronald Reagan = 381
George H.W. Bush = 166
Bill Clinton = 308
George W. Bush = 291
Barack Obama = 276

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_order

Fair enough!

morepork wrote:Were they at an international airport yesterday? Did you contact them all individually and garner a consensus for Rugby Rebels? Bugger off.

As much fun as this is, I have to go to work.

Cowz bitches.

"Cnut", "bugger off", "cowz bitches" ?

Some muslim countries prohibit jews from entering their countries. Any thoughts on that?

Oh hypocrisy knows know bounds. Obama dropped 26,000 bombs in his last year in office alone, and you can bet your bottom dollar most of those were dropped on the countries in this list. No one cares about Muslims when we are wiping them off the face of the earth in the middle east, but as soon as it affects a few Googlers on work trips the liberal warriors come out in their droves.

That's because Donald doesn't have lovely daughters or dance well . . .

Some muslim countries prohibit jews from entering their countries. Any thoughts on that?

Which ones?

rowan wrote:Oh hypocrisy knows know bounds. Obama dropped 26,000 bombs in his last year in office alone, and you can bet your bottom dollar most of those were dropped on the countries in this list. No one cares about Muslims when we are wiping them off the face of the earth in the middle east, but as soon as it affects a few Googlers on work trips the liberal warriors come out in their droves.

That's because Donald doesn't have lovely daughters or dance well . . .

Some muslim countries prohibit jews from entering their countries. Any thoughts on that?

Which ones?

SA, Iran, Iraq, UAE, Pakistan?

Obama deported more people than his predecessor. Why no criticism of that? I don't recall any outrage in the MSM about it, do you?

Vengeful Glutton wrote:

rowan wrote:Oh hypocrisy knows know bounds. Obama dropped 26,000 bombs in his last year in office alone, and you can bet your bottom dollar most of those were dropped on the countries in this list. No one cares about Muslims when we are wiping them off the face of the earth in the middle east, but as soon as it affects a few Googlers on work trips the liberal warriors come out in their droves.

That's because Donald doesn't have lovely daughters or dance well . . .

Some muslim countries prohibit jews from entering their countries. Any thoughts on that?

Which ones?

SA, Iran, Iraq, UAE, Pakistan?

Obama deported more people than his predecessor. Why no criticism of that? I don't recall any outrage in the MSM about it, do you?

Thanks. It was a genuine question, not a challenge or anything. This is news to me. As for the hypocrisy over Obama and Trump, you're preaching to the converted there. The hypocrisy and superficiality on display right now is mind-boggling. Bombing okay (just blame the terrorists or Russians or something). Banning crime of the century - Hitler's reincarnation, blah blah.

The bans are nonetheless disgraceful. But bombing 7 countries at a pace of three bombs an hour, or 26,000 per annum, and being at war every single day of a two-term (eight-year) presidency somehow seems a tad worse to me...

Nobody is talking about Obama FFS. This a thread on Trump rowgina.

rowan wrote:
Thanks. It was a genuine question, not a challenge or anything. This is news to me. As for the hypocrisy over Obama and Trump, you're preaching to the converted there. The hypocrisy and superficiality on display right now is mind-boggling. Bombing okay (just blame the terrorists or Russians or something). Banning crime of the century - Hitler's reincarnation, blah blah.

The bans are nonetheless disgraceful. But bombing 7 countries at a pace of three bombs an hour, or 26,000 per annum, and being at war every single day of a two-term (eight-year) presidency somehow seems a tad worse to me...

I agree.

The seppo MIC gets to print Battle Proven on their drone brochures. More profits, more jobs etc.

A war economy? It's arguable.

There's some serious anger management issues amongst the kiwi posters.

Winning the WC didn't assuage their ire, eh?

Vengeful Glutton wrote:

Sandydragon wrote:

Vengeful Glutton wrote:He's building a wall to create jobs, not to keep the 'cans out.

Of course he is. Because he doesn't realise that trading internationally is a good thing. Protectionism doesn't work.

America isn't going to stop trading with Mexico, or anyone else.

But how? With tariffs applied which could drive a trade war. Trumps policy of America first only needs to be replicated by other states for decades of progress to be undone. Trump is of course playing dog whistle politics so doesn't really care.

Len wrote:Nobody is talking about Obama FFS.

Ooookay. But . . .

" Obama dropped 26,000 bombs in his last year in office alone"

"Barack Obama = 276"

"Obama signed an EO placing further sanctions on North Korea"

Does Len actually have a brain

Sandydragon wrote: But how? With tariffs applied which could drive a trade war. Trumps policy of America first only needs to be replicated by other states for decades of progress to be undone. Trump is of course playing dog whistle politics so doesn't really care.

I think myself the Mexicans will play ball. They've a lot more to lose if they don't sit down at the negotiating table. Mexico depends heavily on trade with the US. The US won't want to see a recession in Mexico (for obvious reasons).

What's going on at the mo is economic sabre rattling.

It's a bit early be rending our vestments, throwing ourselves off cliffs etc.

rowan wrote:

Len wrote:Nobody is talking about Obama FFS.

Ooookay. But . . .

" Obama dropped 26,000 bombs in his last year in office alone"

"Barack Obama = 276"

"Obama signed an EO placing further sanctions on North Korea"

Does Len actually have a brain

Bit of a closed shop in here, is it?

No one is denying Black Jesus sat on his hands for 8 years on the foreign policy front. That being said, I don't think I'd like to go to war under the Banner of the Orange Trumpet either. I can see him thinking drones are like playstation.

Bomb away - just don't ban them

morepork wrote:No one is denying Black Jesus sat on his hands for 8 years on the foreign policy front. That being said, I don't think I'd like to go to war under the Banner of the Orange Trumpet either. I can see him thinking drones are like playstation.

That's already the case amongst American military planners, USAF strategists and the CIA/NSA. It's military doctrine, has been for a while - the ability to identify hostile targets anywhere on the planet from a playstation-esque console, and zap them instantly.

The most cowardly form of 'warfare' ever devised...

A damning dossier assembled from exhaustive research into the strikes’ targets sets out in heartbreaking detail the deaths of teachers, students and Pakistani policemen. It also describes how bereaved relatives are forced to gather their loved ones’ dismembered body parts in the aftermath of strikes.
The dossier has been assembled by human rights lawyer Shahzad Akbar, who works for Pakistan’s Foundation for Fundamental Rights and the British human rights charity Reprieve.
Filed in two separate court cases, it is set to trigger a formal murder investigation by police into the roles of two US officials said to have ordered the strikes. They are Jonathan Banks, former head of the Central Intelligence Agency’s Islamabad station, and John A. Rizzo, the CIA’s former chief lawyer. Mr Akbar and his staff have already gathered further testimony which has yet to be filed.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z4XBuMhmdf

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rowan wrote:The most cowardly form of 'warfare' ever devised...

A damning dossier assembled from exhaustive research into the strikes’ targets sets out in heartbreaking detail the deaths of teachers, students and Pakistani policemen. It also describes how bereaved relatives are forced to gather their loved ones’ dismembered body parts in the aftermath of strikes.
The dossier has been assembled by human rights lawyer Shahzad Akbar, who works for Pakistan’s Foundation for Fundamental Rights and the British human rights charity Reprieve.
Filed in two separate court cases, it is set to trigger a formal murder investigation by police into the roles of two US officials said to have ordered the strikes. They are Jonathan Banks, former head of the Central Intelligence Agency’s Islamabad station, and John A. Rizzo, the CIA’s former chief lawyer. Mr Akbar and his staff have already gathered further testimony which has yet to be filed.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z4XBuMhmdf

As opposed to some Cnut who brainwashes a kid into blowing himself up in a crowded market place. Scraping the remains of people off the floor is never pleasant I assure you but I'm failing to find the bravery shown by the puppet master in my scenario.

At least the US try to identify legitimate targets, your average terrorist does not.

I also surprised that you have the front to have a pop at the us drone program after your support for the indiscriminate bombing of Aleppo. Deaths from drones are a tiny proportion of what Russia managed to achieve. Perhaps a comparison worth bearing in mind?

Sandydragon wrote:

rowan wrote:The most cowardly form of 'warfare' ever devised...

A damning dossier assembled from exhaustive research into the strikes’ targets sets out in heartbreaking detail the deaths of teachers, students and Pakistani policemen. It also describes how bereaved relatives are forced to gather their loved ones’ dismembered body parts in the aftermath of strikes.
The dossier has been assembled by human rights lawyer Shahzad Akbar, who works for Pakistan’s Foundation for Fundamental Rights and the British human rights charity Reprieve.
Filed in two separate court cases, it is set to trigger a formal murder investigation by police into the roles of two US officials said to have ordered the strikes. They are Jonathan Banks, former head of the Central Intelligence Agency’s Islamabad station, and John A. Rizzo, the CIA’s former chief lawyer. Mr Akbar and his staff have already gathered further testimony which has yet to be filed.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z4XBuMhmdf

As opposed to some Cnut who brainwashes a kid into blowing himself up in a crowded market place. Scraping the remains of people off the floor is never pleasant I assure you but I'm failing to find the bravery shown by the puppet master in my scenario.

At least the US try to identify legitimate targets, your average terrorist does not.

I also surprised that you have the front to have a pop at the us drone program after your support for the indiscriminate bombing of Aleppo. Deaths from drones are a tiny proportion of what Russia managed to achieve. Perhaps a comparison worth bearing in mind?

Your final paragraph exposes your racist hypocrisy and apologist views for Western war crimes. You come from the most evil, warmongering society in history and have been brainwashed to the point you blame its crimes on others. In other words, you yourself are a product of that evil and very much part of it.

NATO, Saudi and their allies waged a proxy war against the Syrian government, sending in terrorists to do much of their dirty work for them; a tactic which has been used successfully many times before, notably in Afghanistan. You deny this because of your racist and hypocritical outlook.

Yes, drones are easily the most cowardly form of warfare ever devised, and the idea America only bombs legitimate targets is complete drivel. If you start a war in another country you can call anybody you like the enemy, which is precisely what America does. In this manner it has slaughtered an estimated 20 million people and counting since WWII.

Why are drones inherently more evil than a phalanx, a trebuchet, an atomic bomb, fire, chlorine gas?

And yes the US does try to target their version of legitimate targets, though their failures are well documented and rightly so, but it's far more precise than the Russian use of barrel bombs or giving missiles to drunks to shoot down Dutch airliners, and both are more discriminate than the likes of ISIS.

Digby wrote:Why are drones inherently more evil than a phalanx, a trebuchet, an atomic bomb, fire, chlorine gas?

And yes the US does try to target their version of legitimate targets, though their failures are well documented and rightly so, but it's far more precise than the Russian use of barrel bombs or giving missiles to drunks to shoot down Dutch airliners, and both are more discriminate than the likes of ISIS.

Pointing the finger at others does not excuse the deaths of millions of people, sorry to disappoint you. What other country has killed 20 million people through invasions and warfare since WWII? & that figure doesn't include Hiroshima or Nagasaki. Come to think of it, what other nation has dropped atomic bombs on anoher? Was that Russia's fault as well.

There is no legitimate evidence the Russians shot down the Dutch airline. It might well have been the Ukranians themselves - and they have done this before. So you're also just exposing your own prejudices and hypocrsy here.

Yes, dropping bombs on people by pressing a button from some remote location, and acknowledging that it may well hit bystanders, or not hit the intended target at all, is as cowardly as it gets. & who the hell gave America the right to do this in the first place? You're following a 'Might is Right' rationality - which is pure insanity.

Interesting read:

There has been hysterical media condemnation of Donald Trump's decision to refuse visas to travellers from seven mainly Muslim countries, including Iraq, for the next 90 days.

But why was the Left silent when the Obama administration refused to issue visas to Iraqis for six months?

The discovery in 2009 of two al Qaeda-Iraq terrorists (read - ex-combatants)living as refugees in Bowling Green, Kentucky -- who later admitted in court that they'd attacked U.S. soldiers in Iraq -- prompted the bureau to assign hundreds of specialists to an around-the-clock effort aimed at checking its archive of 100,000 improvised explosive devices collected in the war zones, known as IEDs, for other suspected terrorists' fingerprints...

As a result of the Kentucky case, the State Department stopped processing Iraq refugees for six months in 2011, federal officials told ABC News – even for many who had heroically helped U.S. forces as interpreters and intelligence assets (read - cowardly turncoats).

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/blogs/andre ... d1e5ded377

Not so much alternative facts as alternative reality.

Digby wrote:Not so much alternative facts as alternative reality.

You just described your own little imaginary world there, Digby.

Was this 'alternative reality?'