RugbyRebels

FFS

https://www.rabobank.com/en/press/searc ... tudie.html

They mayn't be right of course, but it's unsettling that the research into economic impact is so little considered and detailed that we've had from the government, with the government being so inept it's allowing other studies to perhaps take on too much prominence

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... uk-imports

How many businesses will be unable to find that cashflow overnight. Plenty one would think.

There's a very good chance that'll change

Digby wrote:There's a very good chance that'll change

Just for Eu imports or for all?

canta_brian wrote:

Digby wrote:There's a very good chance that'll change

Just for Eu imports or for all?

We'll have to wait and see what they say, but it's a decent sized change which wasn't announced in the manifesto that I recall so it's maybe coming as a surprise. And that being the case there could well be a swell of complaints over this

Oh, if only there were a UNION of EUROPEAN nations of some sort that Britain could be a part of.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42625474

There are times when the expression having one's cake and eating it seems pathetically inadequate.

Always been a fan of the idea of a demarchic third chamber.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... -democracy

Zhivago wrote:Always been a fan of the idea of a demarchic third chamber.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... -democracy

Sounds kack to me.

Back in the "real" world, it looks like Boris has finally lost the plot.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-42743909

Stones of granite wrote:

Zhivago wrote:Always been a fan of the idea of a demarchic third chamber.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... -democracy

Sounds kack to me.

Back in the "real" world, it looks like Boris has finally lost the plot.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-42743909

The only bone of contention is that he mentions Japan, but China is the real leader here.

For all of Boris’s many faults he’s resolutely optimistic and that’s a good thing.......as long as there are others to rein him in a bit. I’m sick and tired of the negativity around at the moment. Fark me, we can’t even decide on where and how to build a desperately needed extra runway without a decade long convulsion.

Mellsblue wrote:For all of Boris’s many faults he’s resolutely optimistic and that’s a good thing.......as long as there are others to rein him in a bit. I’m sick and tired of the negativity around at the moment. Fark me, we can’t even decide on where and how to build a desperately needed extra runway without a decade long convulsion.

I'd go for insecure, attention seeking and bombastic, which as a grouping isn't a good thing. Though I do agree with him there shouldn't be an extra runway at Heathrow

Digby wrote:

Mellsblue wrote:For all of Boris’s many faults he’s resolutely optimistic and that’s a good thing.......as long as there are others to rein him in a bit. I’m sick and tired of the negativity around at the moment. Fark me, we can’t even decide on where and how to build a desperately needed extra runway without a decade long convulsion.

I'd go for insecure, attention seeking and bombastic, which as a grouping isn't a good thing. Though I do agree with him there shouldn't be an extra runway at Heathrow

I personally couldn't care less whether there is an additional runway built at Heathrow, Gatwick or anywhere else, as I've long since given up using Heathrow and Gatwick as hubs in preference for Amsterdam or (less favourably) Charles De Gaulle. This is probably because the authorities in both countries have just gone ahead and built the runways they need without a decade of navel gazing.

@Zhivago, it is of complete irrelevence whether it is the Chinese, Japanese or any other -ese that are the world leaders in building bridges. The fact remains that a Channel Bridge would be a vanity project that would only further add to the concentration of capital spending in the South-East, the last place in Britain that needs it. Mind you, it would be a handy place to park all the trucks backed-up at our newly installed, totally understaffed customs post.

Digby wrote:

Mellsblue wrote:For all of Boris’s many faults he’s resolutely optimistic and that’s a good thing.......as long as there are others to rein him in a bit. I’m sick and tired of the negativity around at the moment. Fark me, we can’t even decide on where and how to build a desperately needed extra runway without a decade long convulsion.

I'd go for insecure, attention seeking and bombastic, which as a grouping isn't a good thing. Though I do agree with him there shouldn't be an extra runway at Heathrow

Ah, well. Back to our mirror walled, Brexit wailing box we go. From in there we can learn about how the Chinese build a bridge that would span Portsmouth to Le Havre, and numerous world leading airports and a rail line from China to London, and we’ll have another self-induced convulsion about a single runway and a rail track from London to Birmingham.

Mellsblue wrote:

Digby wrote:

Mellsblue wrote:For all of Boris’s many faults he’s resolutely optimistic and that’s a good thing.......as long as there are others to rein him in a bit. I’m sick and tired of the negativity around at the moment. Fark me, we can’t even decide on where and how to build a desperately needed extra runway without a decade long convulsion.

I'd go for insecure, attention seeking and bombastic, which as a grouping isn't a good thing. Though I do agree with him there shouldn't be an extra runway at Heathrow

Ah, well. Back to our mirror walled, Brexit wailing box we go. From in there we can learn about how the Chinese build a bridge that would span Portsmouth to Le Havre, and numerous world leading airports and a rail line from China to London, and we’ll have another self-induced convulsion about a single runway and a rail track from London to Birmingham.

Jingoism only takes one so far. I'm not that at this point too fussed if they're downbeat or upbeat, I simply want to start seeing a plan of what they want to achieve and specifics as to how it'll be done, Boris being optimistic isn't much different to Steve Borthwick being optimistic after yet another England defeat as we all looked at his bleeding nose in his latest press conference as he explained why the side had actually played well and there were positives to build on as he flew strongly into the face of reality, and we simply considered we'd likely lose next week too

Digby wrote:

Mellsblue wrote:

Digby wrote:
I'd go for insecure, attention seeking and bombastic, which as a grouping isn't a good thing. Though I do agree with him there shouldn't be an extra runway at Heathrow

Ah, well. Back to our mirror walled, Brexit wailing box we go. From in there we can learn about how the Chinese build a bridge that would span Portsmouth to Le Havre, and numerous world leading airports and a rail line from China to London, and we’ll have another self-induced convulsion about a single runway and a rail track from London to Birmingham.

Jingoism only takes one so far. I'm not that at this point too fussed if they're downbeat or upbeat, I simply want to start seeing a plan of what they want to achieve and specifics as to how it'll be done, Boris being optimistic isn't much different to Steve Borthwick being optimistic after yet another England defeat as we all looked at his bleeding nose in his latest press conference as he explained why the side had actually played well and there were positives to build on as he flew strongly into the face of reality, and we simply considered we'd likely lose next week too

Jingoism* does only take you so far but it’s necessary in the current climate of our latest convulsion, this time over Brexit. Otherwise we’ll just be navel gazing and we’ll suddenly realise we’ve achieved bugger all in the past five years. If we’re using rugby based analogies then I’d compare Boris to pre-2003 SCW. Yes, 20%** of his ideas were plain daft but the other 80% took the team to No1 in the world and the world championship.
I suspect this bridge isn’t about specifics it’s about increasing links. It’s symbolic. Though, I for one would be very happy with another, quicker way of getting on to the continent. As would hauliers and most of the population if the idea hadn’t come from Boris - it’s basically because Boris is a Brexiteer or because of a personal dislike for him. Something I can fully understand. If Macron had suggested it, or Nicky Morgan, Cable or Umanna it would be ‘good idea let’s increase our links with Europe’ or ‘that’s mad but I like the symbolism’.

*Im not completely certain it is jingoism. It’s just another strand of Boris’s idea of Brexit, which is to increase links with everybody.
**Boris’s daft ideas may make up more than 20%.

Stones of granite wrote:

Digby wrote:

Mellsblue wrote:For all of Boris’s many faults he’s resolutely optimistic and that’s a good thing.......as long as there are others to rein him in a bit. I’m sick and tired of the negativity around at the moment. Fark me, we can’t even decide on where and how to build a desperately needed extra runway without a decade long convulsion.

I'd go for insecure, attention seeking and bombastic, which as a grouping isn't a good thing. Though I do agree with him there shouldn't be an extra runway at Heathrow

I personally couldn't care less whether there is an additional runway built at Heathrow, Gatwick or anywhere else, as I've long since given up using Heathrow and Gatwick as hubs in preference for Amsterdam or (less favourably) Charles De Gaulle. This is probably because the authorities in both countries have just gone ahead and built the runways they need without a decade of navel gazing.

That’s the point, though. If we’d built a bloody runway a decade ago, you and millions of other could go through Heathrow/Gatwick/Stanstead.
Yes it is more money for the south-east but that’s not the problem. The problem is the lack of investment in the North. It looks like this is being recognised and hopefully projects such as HS3 will start to rectify the imbalance.

Mellsblue wrote:

Stones of granite wrote:

Digby wrote:
I'd go for insecure, attention seeking and bombastic, which as a grouping isn't a good thing. Though I do agree with him there shouldn't be an extra runway at Heathrow

I personally couldn't care less whether there is an additional runway built at Heathrow, Gatwick or anywhere else, as I've long since given up using Heathrow and Gatwick as hubs in preference for Amsterdam or (less favourably) Charles De Gaulle. This is probably because the authorities in both countries have just gone ahead and built the runways they need without a decade of navel gazing.

That’s the point, though. If we’d built a bloody runway a decade ago, you and millions of other could go through Heathrow/Gatwick/Stanstead.
Yes it is more money for the south-east but that’s not the problem. The problem is the lack of investment in the North. It looks like this is being recognised and hopefully projects such as HS3 will start to rectify the imbalance.

I've no issue with adding an extra hub airport in East Anglia, I'm just against a third runway at Heathrow, it's too polluting in a number of ways. If the extra hub airport in East Anglia isn't wanted or can't be delivered on then as noted above Amsterdam is a fine choice of hub airport

Digby wrote:

Mellsblue wrote:

Stones of granite wrote: I personally couldn't care less whether there is an additional runway built at Heathrow, Gatwick or anywhere else, as I've long since given up using Heathrow and Gatwick as hubs in preference for Amsterdam or (less favourably) Charles De Gaulle. This is probably because the authorities in both countries have just gone ahead and built the runways they need without a decade of navel gazing.

That’s the point, though. If we’d built a bloody runway a decade ago, you and millions of other could go through Heathrow/Gatwick/Stanstead.
Yes it is more money for the south-east but that’s not the problem. The problem is the lack of investment in the North. It looks like this is being recognised and hopefully projects such as HS3 will start to rectify the imbalance.

I've no issue with adding an extra hub airport in East Anglia, I'm just against a third runway at Heathrow, it's too polluting in a number of ways. If the extra hub airport in East Anglia isn't wanted or can't be delivered on then as noted above Amsterdam is a fine choice of hub airport

I’m not particularly bothered where it is built either. I just wish it had been built. You and Stones may not care where your hub is, but the Treasury and the local economy of wherever it could’ve/would’ve been built probably do care. Those flying in on long haul for business will also care, as why catch a connection to the UK when you can just stay in Paris or Amsterdam.

Mellsblue wrote:

Digby wrote:

Mellsblue wrote: That’s the point, though. If we’d built a bloody runway a decade ago, you and millions of other could go through Heathrow/Gatwick/Stanstead.
Yes it is more money for the south-east but that’s not the problem. The problem is the lack of investment in the North. It looks like this is being recognised and hopefully projects such as HS3 will start to rectify the imbalance.

I've no issue with adding an extra hub airport in East Anglia, I'm just against a third runway at Heathrow, it's too polluting in a number of ways. If the extra hub airport in East Anglia isn't wanted or can't be delivered on then as noted above Amsterdam is a fine choice of hub airport

I’m not particularly bothered where it is built either. I just wish it had been built. You and Stones may not care where your hub is, but the Treasury and the local economy of wherever it could’ve/would’ve been built probably do care. Those flying in on long haul for business will also care, as why catch a connection to the UK when you can just stay in Paris or Amsterdam.

I'm sure they will care, but they're free to investment in a manner less harming to the environment. I just don't like the cheap option of expanding at Heathrow

Digby wrote:

Mellsblue wrote:

Digby wrote:
I've no issue with adding an extra hub airport in East Anglia, I'm just against a third runway at Heathrow, it's too polluting in a number of ways. If the extra hub airport in East Anglia isn't wanted or can't be delivered on then as noted above Amsterdam is a fine choice of hub airport

I’m not particularly bothered where it is built either. I just wish it had been built. You and Stones may not care where your hub is, but the Treasury and the local economy of wherever it could’ve/would’ve been built probably do care. Those flying in on long haul for business will also care, as why catch a connection to the UK when you can just stay in Paris or Amsterdam.

I'm sure they will care, but they're free to investment in a manner less harming to the environment. I just don't like the cheap option of expanding at Heathrow

Admit it. You wanted Boris Island. Could you get a bridge from there to France?

Mellsblue wrote:

Digby wrote:

Mellsblue wrote: I’m not particularly bothered where it is built either. I just wish it had been built. You and Stones may not care where your hub is, but the Treasury and the local economy of wherever it could’ve/would’ve been built probably do care. Those flying in on long haul for business will also care, as why catch a connection to the UK when you can just stay in Paris or Amsterdam.

I'm sure they will care, but they're free to investment in a manner less harming to the environment. I just don't like the cheap option of expanding at Heathrow

Admit it. You wanted Boris Island. Could you get a bridge from there to France?

I don't know if that's the exact option I'd go for, but it'd be up for consideration

Mellsblue wrote:

Digby wrote:

Mellsblue wrote: That’s the point, though. If we’d built a bloody runway a decade ago, you and millions of other could go through Heathrow/Gatwick/Stanstead.
Yes it is more money for the south-east but that’s not the problem. The problem is the lack of investment in the North. It looks like this is being recognised and hopefully projects such as HS3 will start to rectify the imbalance.

I've no issue with adding an extra hub airport in East Anglia, I'm just against a third runway at Heathrow, it's too polluting in a number of ways. If the extra hub airport in East Anglia isn't wanted or can't be delivered on then as noted above Amsterdam is a fine choice of hub airport

I’m not particularly bothered where it is built either. I just wish it had been built. You and Stones may not care where your hub is, but the Treasury and the local economy of wherever it could’ve/would’ve been built probably do care. Those flying in on long haul for business will also care, as why catch a connection to the UK when you can just stay in Paris or Amsterdam.

It's just another nail in British Airway's coffin, though not as fatal as their bizarre strategy of joining the race to the bottom and becoming a budget airline.
Actually, maybe it makes sense. Budget airlines don't do connecting flights, only direct flights, and therefore don't have hubs. If BA don't have a hub with enough capacity perhaps in their conversion to budget airline status they are going to go the same route.

“Oi, Macron. Shall we build a bridge?”