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Update on the Rec Saga #CXXVI
Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2016 1:10 pm
by Which Tyler
Good news at last:
http://www.bathrugby.com/news/bath-rugby-statement-5/;
http://www.bathchronicle.co.uk/court-de ... story.html
The Trust in charge of the Rec have now had it confirmed that they are actually in charge of the Rec; and things like land swaps - or even selling parts has been approved in prinicipal.
This means that Bah have passed all the Charity Comission hoops now (assuming the 3 NIMBYs don't appeal this latest decision - which they've basically been told not to, as they've run out of facts of law to argue over, rather than matters of opinion.. they'll probably appeal then).
No work alongside the trust to work out how much land BathRugby can use, and what the cost for that will be... and then to planning in a world heritage city... But hey, at least there's light at the end of the tunnel - albeit the tunnel is still pretty lengthy; but the snagging points all seem to have been smoothed for now - the next ones will be to do with heights and sightlines, access and facilities, noise and aethetics etc; which are all workable.
Re: Update on the Rec Saga #CXXVI
Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2016 2:48 pm
by Puja
Halle-f*cking-lujah! Why it took them two months to come to this blatantly obvious conclusion, I don't know. Still, we're here now.
I actually have started to enjoy reading Sparrow, Carne and Websper's arguments now that they've lost once - they get their day in court, get to wamble on, and then get smacked down by the judge for talking irrelevant nonsense.
Puja
Re: Update on the Rec Saga #CXXVI
Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2016 4:16 pm
by Oakboy
I'm delighted for the fans if things are finally moving. Ever since the game went professional it has been important that the stalwart clubs such as Bath have a real competitive part to play. Wasps' apparently successful move to Coventry added to the overall standard. Bath in a bigger, more modern stadium will hopefully do the same.
Re: Update on the Rec Saga #CXXVI
Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2016 4:46 pm
by kk67
Puja wrote:Halle-f*cking-lujah! Why it took them two months to come to this blatantly obvious conclusion, I don't know. Still, we're here now.
I actually have started to enjoy reading Sparrow, Carne and Websper's arguments now that they've lost once - they get their day in court, get to womble on, and then get smacked down by the judge for talking irrelevant nonsense.
Puja
Go on then,....give us the best bits. I did read about it more closely 18 months ago and it was starting to sound like something you'd read in the back pages of Private Eye.
I can't remember any details.
Re: Update on the Rec Saga #CXXVI
Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2016 5:09 pm
by Which Tyler
kk67 wrote:Go on then,....give us the best bits. I did read about it more closely 18 months ago and it was starting to sound like something you'd read in the back pages of Private Eye.
I can't remember any details.
I believe one of them was still trying to claim that the High Court decision of 14 year ago was wrong because it was wrong; apparently he got told in no uncertain terms that his point was utterly irrelevant and that he's only harming his case by pressing it.
Tribunal wrote:
As a result, the submissions, both written and oral, of Mr. Sparrow were, regrettably, not relevant to the terms of the draft Scheme, this being the matter to be decided in this appeal.
Tribunal wrote:
This correspondence had no impact on the Tribunal’s decision, since it, again raised matters that were not within the scope of the remittal and re-hearing of the appeals.
Re: Update on the Rec Saga #CXXVI
Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2016 11:30 pm
by Puja
kk67 wrote:Puja wrote:Halle-f*cking-lujah! Why it took them two months to come to this blatantly obvious conclusion, I don't know. Still, we're here now.
I actually have started to enjoy reading Sparrow, Carne and Websper's arguments now that they've lost once - they get their day in court, get to womble on, and then get smacked down by the judge for talking irrelevant nonsense.
Puja
Go on then,....give us the best bits. I did read about it more closely 18 months ago and it was starting to sound like something you'd read in the back pages of Private Eye.
I can't remember any details.
The official judgement is actually a delight to read, because the author clearly has absolutely no respect for the three prats and is very drily ripping the piss out of them. Which has posted a couple of good ones, but I liked the following, which opened the section describing what the Appellants actually wanted:
The Appellants did not have a common position on the substantive provisions of the draft Scheme and, on many points, had differing views. To the extent that there was any common ground between the three Appellants, this related to the contents of the definition of ‘1956 Conveyance’ in clause 1.1; the terms of clauses 2.1 and 2.2 in respect of the Objects of the Charity and clauses 3.1 and 3.2 concerning the administration of the Charity.
The Tribunal had the benefit of the Appellants’ submissions in respect of these provisions of the draft Scheme recorded in tabular form (the ‘List of Issues’) helpfully produced by the Second Respondent. Those submissions were supplemented by skeleton arguments produced by each of the Appellants in accordance with the directions of the Tribunal following the Case Management Hearing held on 8 February 2016, and by oral submissions made by each of the Appellants at the substantive hearing. Both Mr. Sparrow and Ms. Carne, two of the Appellants, each handed in a further written submission after they had made their oral submissions. While this was somewhat unusual and not in accordance with any directions issued, or normal practice (particularly since the other parties and the Tribunal had no opportunity to consider that additional material and to ask questions or make further submissions in relation thereto), those additional written submissions, copies of which were also provided to the Commission and the Second Respondent, were admitted by the Tribunal in the interests of justice.
Basically translates to, "The three prats didn't have a coherent argument between them and insisted on making their points individually, which meant we had to waste three times as long listening to them wamble about things that we have no jurisdiction over and have been decided long ago. To make matters worse, despite the fact that we told them exactly what this hearing covered and what little input we needed from them, two of them appear to have written essays for no apparent reason. We took them so that they'd shut up and stop complaining and have since filed them in the paper recycling."
Puja
Re: Update on the Rec Saga #CXXVI
Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2016 12:54 am
by kk67
nimbys,....quality w@nkers..
Re: Update on the Rec Saga #CXXVI
Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2016 9:22 pm
by Which Tyler
And the fat lady wanders back to her dressing room
http://www.bathchronicle.co.uk/objector ... story.html
Rosemary Carne has vowed to keep fighting - she doesn't know how, where or on what grounds yet, but she's sure she'll think of something.
She does think she's done with the Charity Commission tribunals though; so what next? it can't be a matter of law, or she'd appeal the recent decision; and presumably points of law would also be needed for... well, anything else TBH.
Re: Update on the Rec Saga #CXXVI
Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2016 11:59 pm
by Puja
Which Tyler wrote:And the fat lady wanders back to her dressing room
http://www.bathchronicle.co.uk/objector ... story.html
Rosemary Carne has vowed to keep fighting - she doesn't know how, where or on what grounds yet, but she's sure she'll think of something.
She does think she's done with the Charity Commission tribunals though; so what next? it can't be a matter of law, or she'd appeal the recent decision; and presumably points of law would also be needed for... well, anything else TBH.
What a pair of arseholes. No doubt they will find some other method of dragging it further out, with nothing more than their ignorant, selfish self-righteousness to power them.
Puja
Re: Update on the Rec Saga #CXXVI
Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2017 8:49 pm
by Which Tyler
http://www.bathchronicle.co.uk/bath-rug ... story.html
Deadline has passed, and no appeals submitted.
So we're onto details of a landscape, which should be a formality, with no input from the public; and then planning permission... Could take 6 months, could take 6 years.
Re: Update on the Rec Saga #CXXVI
Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2017 9:05 pm
by Puja
Oh huzzah. Looks like, for all their bravado, Carne and Sparrow have finally reached the end of their self-taught legal knowledge. Either that or they've gone to a real solicitor and been laughed at.
I'd like to hope planning permission wouldn't be too controversial. The plans from a few years back were tasteful and pretty well received by the public and to say the council are onside is a bit of an understatement. From here, Bath should really be aiming for a timescale of having construction done in the off-season of 2018.
Puja
Re: Update on the Rec Saga #CXXVI
Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2022 11:45 am
by Which Tyler
I know you've all been waiting with baited breath for this...
https://www.bathrugby.com/news/supreme- ... t-the-rec/
As far as I'm aware (caveated, as I've obviously been wrong before) that's the end of road blocks on the legality of building something.
Re: Update on the Rec Saga #CXXVI
Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2022 12:28 pm
by Puja
Oh huzzah. Looks like, for all their bravado, Carne and Sparrow have finally reached the end of their self-taught legal knowledge... wait. Deja vu. This all seems oddly familiar.
I wonder if there's any chance of any movement forwards this time.
Puja
Re: Update on the Rec Saga #CXXVI
Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2022 2:44 pm
by FKAS
I hear there's a bigger stadium up the road in Coventry that's going spare at the minute...
Bath really should have a better stadium. Hopefully this finally means they can move forward and we can stop jokingly calling their ground the Wreck.
Re: Update on the Rec Saga #CXXVI
Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2022 3:08 pm
by 16th man
Sale have managed to propose, secure funding for, then fail to get permission for a whole new stadium, actually in Sale, in a fraction of the time this has been going on.
NIMBYism is a curse.