What does you club need?/Who do you want your club to sign for next season?

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With the transfer market looking like it is in full swing, what does your club (as in the one you support, not the one you play for!) need for next season and who would you sign? I'm thinking realistic targets - not dream signings.

At Quins, we need quality across the board. We seem to have developed an obsession for bang average players no-one else wants ... this season it was Ruaridh Jackson, for next season we've signed the amazing Dave Lewis.

I'm sure there is some kind of 'Moneyball' philosophy behind it, but so far that's not showing any real signs of paying dividends.

We've already signed Catrakilis, Bothma and the aforementioned Dave Lewis and IMO our next priorities should be a hooker, an open side flanker, one or more centres and a fullback.

I'd be looking at:

Hooker:

Ken Owens - apparently wants a move away from Wales/the Pro12. Good, solid, all-round hooker which is exactly what we need. Maybe Jones or Roberts could put in a good word?

Harry Thacker - yes he's small, but I'd say he fits Quins style of play well.

Flanker:

Marco Mama - I'm not looking for a starter here, so a squad player is OK with me. Mama fits the bill - EQP, can play 6 or 7 and likely to be available if Worcester get relegated.

A Northampton flanker - ideally Ludlam, but if not, Nutley. They clearly have too many, so I'll take one of those please.

Alex Reider - apparently looking to leave Wasps. Could be an ideal signing for us.

Blair Cowan - if for whatever reason Irish don't get promoted, I'd very happily take Cowan.

Centres:

Ben Te'o - OK, this one is unlikely, but if Worcester are relegated, I'd like to think Quins would be an attractive option.

Piers Francis - again, probably unlikely, but a playmaking 12 would be nice and I think we'd be ideal if Francis wants to try to make it in England

Will Hurrell - if Bristol go down, he'd be one of my number one targets. Another one, I think would do very well at Quins.

Dean Hammond - another Worcester target, but probably more realistic than Te'o.

Fullback:

Jason Woodward - probably dreaming here, but I'd very happily take him if he is looking to move on from Bristol.

What about your sides? Quins fans, please feel free to critique ...
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A rich owner is what Moseley needs, and one willing to sink money in with no prospect of return. Things have stabilised a bit since relegating and losing some players but absent of someone sticking in an oddly significant sum of money for no particular reason we'll at best be a Championship side. For now if we do rise to the level of the Championship again we should ignore any posturing from the RFU that we should be fully professional unless they want to pay for it.
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Leicester need an 8. Shocking that. Fearns would have been perfect, and Morgan acceptable, but apparently we're not willing to pay proper market value for a top quality 8 and are instead looking for a bargain. In that case, we need to be in for Alex Reider if he's leaving Wasps. Or Mitch Eadie if Bristol go down.

Aside from that, there's no real big holes in our squad. I would love to have Paul Hill as a Cole understudy/protegee, but I don't think that'll happen. Ford would also be lovely, although that's receding into the horizon. Mostly, what we need is a good head coach who is not Matt O'Connor, who will breath a bit of fresh air into things and change whatever it was that Cockerill was doing to leave us consistently with dozens of injuries. One season where half our team's out injured is unlucky, but I think it's been about 3 on the trot now, who suggests something systemic.

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Tigers
Need
Tight head prop
8 - Ball carrier
Back rower - Covers 6/8 and a big ball carrier
Fly Half - With Owen off
Centre - Need one this season but a seasoned international veteran to help cover the likes of Toomua and Manu.
Full Back

Would take
TH - Someone experienced Betts is getting good reviews for Loughborough so he could be a long term aim.
8 - Reider
Back Rower - Who ever maybe a PI ball player.
Fly Half - Ford is a strong rumour.
Center - Not picky just someone who knows NH rugby wouldn't want to spend too much as still hopeful on Manu and Toomua pairing.
Full Back - Yeh Woodward would be great.
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Tigersman wrote: Centre - Need one this season but a seasoned international veteran to help cover the likes of Toomua and Manu.
I'd say having Smith and Tait on the books should be enough
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Northampton desperately need to get rid of Burrell, and get some real proven quality in the centre. Pisi, Stephenson and Mallinder plus one really good signing would be good. I'd love to see T'eo, but as scrumhead said I'm not hopeful of that.

Could do with a quality 10 to bring in as first choice, with Myler as a very solid back up.

Also a quality fullback, with Foden in the twighlight years he is no where near what he once was, and again can act as a very good back up. I'd like to steal Pennell, but he has stuck with Warriors through demotion already so that shouldn't have much impact on his decision to leave. Also would love Woodward, but so would everyone!

I'm fairly happy with the pack, maybe another couple of props if Hill and E Waller leave as rumors are suggesting.
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Scrumhead wrote:With the transfer market looking like it is in full swing, what does your club (as in the one you support, not the one you play for!) need for next season and who would you sign? I'm thinking realistic targets - not dream signings.

At Quins, we need quality across the board. We seem to have developed an obsession for bang average players no-one else wants ... this season it was Ruaridh Jackson, for next season we've signed the amazing Dave Lewis.

I'm sure there is some kind of 'Moneyball' philosophy behind it, but so far that's not showing any real signs of paying dividends.

We've already signed Catrakilis, Bothma and the aforementioned Dave Lewis and IMO our next priorities should be a hooker, an open side flanker, one or more centres and a fullback.

I'd be looking at:

Hooker:

Ken Owens - apparently wants a move away from Wales/the Pro12. Good, solid, all-round hooker which is exactly what we need. Maybe Jones or Roberts could put in a good word?

Harry Thacker - yes he's small, but I'd say he fits Quins style of play well.

Flanker:

Marco Mama - I'm not looking for a starter here, so a squad player is OK with me. Mama fits the bill - EQP, can play 6 or 7 and likely to be available if Worcester get relegated.

A Northampton flanker - ideally Ludlam, but if not, Nutley. They clearly have too many, so I'll take one of those please.

Alex Reider - apparently looking to leave Wasps. Could be an ideal signing for us.

Blair Cowan - if for whatever reason Irish don't get promoted, I'd very happily take Cowan.

Centres:

Ben Te'o - OK, this one is unlikely, but if Worcester are relegated, I'd like to think Quins would be an attractive option.

Piers Francis - again, probably unlikely, but a playmaking 12 would be nice and I think we'd be ideal if Francis wants to try to make it in England

Will Hurrell - if Bristol go down, he'd be one of my number one targets. Another one, I think would do very well at Quins.

Dean Hammond - another Worcester target, but probably more realistic than Te'o.

Fullback:

Jason Woodward - probably dreaming here, but I'd very happily take him if he is looking to move on from Bristol.

What about your sides? Quins fans, please feel free to critique ...
As someone that occasionally wanders along to quins games I agree with your sentiment but not your players. Quins need to prioritise one or two really good players rather than a number of just good ones. Out of your list the only one I'd go for is Woodward. The rest don't really make the first 23 better for me, maybe Owens. Definitely not Cowan or Francis.
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A LH and TH prop for Wasps. A McIntyre/JCW combo is just about able to mix it at the top level but Moore is a bit underwhelming as backup after a promising start. Mullan isn't quite there as a top notch LH either. These positions aren't quite up to the very high standard of the rest of the squad.

Ruskin would've been nice but not to be. I imagine Dai has someone in mind, he's not been too shabby in the transfer market so far.
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Take Diggers first sentence and swop Bedford in for Moseley.

With Bedford it's more of who I want us to hang on to. So, of our current loan/DR players, I'd like to take both Griffths, Sarries, and O'Connor, Wasps. Players who I think could play Prem rugby and would therefore definately want to keep are Parilli-Ocampo (prop), Ben Adams (backrow), Josh Buggea (backrow), Jake Sharp (FH) and Le Bourgeois (centre). I'd also prioritise keeping Ben Cooper (prop), Tom James (sh), Tapley and Adamson (both wing). Of those, I think both Adamson and James could play Prem in a couple of years.

From old loan/DR who don't seem to be troubling their first team, I'd want Lundberg, Wasps, and Spurling, Sarries.

I'd also love to get Conlon back on loan. He was immense last season.
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God knows what to do to fix Quins. We just have no shape or belief in what we're doing it seems. I find it hard to judge a lot of players given all that but there's a lot of underperformers.

A quality 2 would be lovely but I'm happy enough with Buchanan/Ward in comparison to other positions.

A proper 5 would be ideal, someone who can really run a line out, a Parling type would probably be the best we can hope for if we've not got much to splash though. Horwill is great when he's fit but needs better alongside, hopefully South/Twomey develop.

A 7.

A 10 I suppose but it won't happen. Rusting Jackson is an awful lot better than he's shown so far but even at his best is fairly flakey.

Visser is a girl.

Roberts is shit.

Yarde I just don't know if he can stay switched on for 80 minutes.

Fuck it. This is too depressing.
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I don't worry about Moseley holding onto good players, no point giving any thought to the idea we could. Even in the Championship we could lose the likes of Buster Lawrence (and son of Syd) to the wider training group at Wasps when he basically never made their 23 and would've been a starter for us. I don't blame Lawrence or others in this, who would stay at Moseley given the chance to play for Wasps, and really it's no difference to Moseley could without too much easy take a player off a Stourbridge
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Sale could do with a decent tight 5, with cover, and a new pair of half backs.

So not much really.
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Worcester could do with a new squad, and a new coaching set up… A handful of okay—solid players, but realistically, lacking in most areas (back 3 an exception maybe).

Nice pitch though.
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Renniks wrote:Worcester could do with a new squad, and a new coaching set up… A handful of okay—solid players, but realistically, lacking in most areas (back 3 an exception maybe).

Nice pitch though.
Another hot tub, perhaps?
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After today's disgraceful performance I'd say quins need 45 first team players and a complete set of coaches. I'd take whoever gets relegated en masse.
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Ha. That bad? Did you see it, hear it or just read about it? Only just seen the score line.
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switchskier wrote:
Scrumhead wrote:With the transfer market looking like it is in full swing, what does your club (as in the one you support, not the one you play for!) need for next season and who would you sign? I'm thinking realistic targets - not dream signings.

At Quins, we need quality across the board. We seem to have developed an obsession for bang average players no-one else wants ... this season it was Ruaridh Jackson, for next season we've signed the amazing Dave Lewis.

I'm sure there is some kind of 'Moneyball' philosophy behind it, but so far that's not showing any real signs of paying dividends.

We've already signed Catrakilis, Bothma and the aforementioned Dave Lewis and IMO our next priorities should be a hooker, an open side flanker, one or more centres and a fullback.

I'd be looking at:

Hooker:

Ken Owens - apparently wants a move away from Wales/the Pro12. Good, solid, all-round hooker which is exactly what we need. Maybe Jones or Roberts could put in a good word?

Harry Thacker - yes he's small, but I'd say he fits Quins style of play well.

Flanker:

Marco Mama - I'm not looking for a starter here, so a squad player is OK with me. Mama fits the bill - EQP, can play 6 or 7 and likely to be available if Worcester get relegated.

A Northampton flanker - ideally Ludlam, but if not, Nutley. They clearly have too many, so I'll take one of those please.

Alex Reider - apparently looking to leave Wasps. Could be an ideal signing for us.

Blair Cowan - if for whatever reason Irish don't get promoted, I'd very happily take Cowan.

Centres:

Ben Te'o - OK, this one is unlikely, but if Worcester are relegated, I'd like to think Quins would be an attractive option.

Piers Francis - again, probably unlikely, but a playmaking 12 would be nice and I think we'd be ideal if Francis wants to try to make it in England

Will Hurrell - if Bristol go down, he'd be one of my number one targets. Another one, I think would do very well at Quins.

Dean Hammond - another Worcester target, but probably more realistic than Te'o.

Fullback:

Jason Woodward - probably dreaming here, but I'd very happily take him if he is looking to move on from Bristol.

What about your sides? Quins fans, please feel free to critique ...
As someone that occasionally wanders along to quins games I agree with your sentiment but not your players. Quins need to prioritise one or two really good players rather than a number of just good ones. Out of your list the only one I'd go for is Woodward. The rest don't really make the first 23 better for me, maybe Owens. Definitely not Cowan or Francis.
I'd love us to sign one or two top quality players, but based upon our recent transfer policy, I just don't see it happening, so the players I've suggested are players I think we could realistically target. For example, I'd love to see us in the race for Ford, but I don't think we'll even try. I know we've signed Catrikalis, but with Evans retiring and Jackson not cutting the mustard, I think we could do with another 10, but the chances of us joining the race for Ford are practically zero. I'd also like someone like Samu Manoa, but again, I know we wouldn't go in for him.

We'll basically be in the market for the better players from relegated/bottom of the table clubs or surplus from the clubs at the top of the table. That was pretty much the basis of my list of targets.

I think Te'o would be an ideal. With respect, way too good for Worcester, but a significant upgrade on Roberts for us. FWIW, I think Hurrell would be too!

I think Robshaw, Clifford, Wallace and Chisholm are good enough to be our main options in the back row, so I think we need a good squad player rather than a starter - hence the Mama/Cowan/Nutley suggestions. Ideally I'd like Ludlam on the basis that we'd give him a lot better chance of game time and room to grow, but I'd be very surprised if Saints let him go. I'd also take a good look at Sam Simmonds now Kvesic's move to Exeter has been confirmed.

Did you see Piers Francis play for the Blues last season? Personally I thought he was very good and as he's known to want to move back to the UK, he's worth checking out.

One I forgot to add is Rob Miller. With Le Roux imminent and Beale fit again, his game time is going to be limited and he's definitely too good for the bench. If we can't get Woodward, he'd be my next pick.
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Well. Newcastle could do with real quality in every position so it's hard to say exactly what we need.

I'd like to see us take a couple of promising players that aren't getting a shot at their club. I particularly think Thacker would do well for us.

Would love Hurrell to come to us too
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bitts wrote:Well. Newcastle could do with real quality in every position so it's hard to say exactly what we need.

I'd like to see us take a couple of promising players that aren't getting a shot at their club. I particularly think Thacker would do well for us.

Would love Hurrell to come to us too
If you can keep your season going the way it has so far, Newcastle looks like an increasingly attractive club to join.
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Scrumhead wrote:
bitts wrote:Well. Newcastle could do with real quality in every position so it's hard to say exactly what we need.

I'd like to see us take a couple of promising players that aren't getting a shot at their club. I particularly think Thacker would do well for us.

Would love Hurrell to come to us too
If you can keep your season going the way it has so far, Newcastle looks like an increasingly attractive club to join.
True, but we don't have the money of most other clubs have.
We do, however, have a very shrewd boss.
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Can everyone please shut it about signing Hurrell and Woodward!

Teo & Pennell are far better......

Just hoping Bris can hang onto the better players and stay up at the moment. Will worry about recruitment when we're not bottom.
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jimKRFC wrote:Can everyone please shut it about signing Hurrell and Woodward!

Teo & Pennell are far better......

Just hoping Bris can hang onto the better players and stay up at the moment. Will worry about recruitment when we're not bottom.
Perhaps, but there's no chance Two and Pennell are going to come to Newcastle
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Tigers need starting
2
4
5
8
10
15

2nd choice
3
Back row
12/15
Back row.

To many player without big game experiance.
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Tigersman wrote:Tigers need starting
2
4
5
8
10
15

2nd choice
3
Back row
12/15
Back row.

To many player without big game experiance.
And on tonights showing, some new ideas, better preparation, and probably a handful more players to what you've listed
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Mikey Brown wrote:God knows what to do to fix Quins. We just have no shape or belief in what we're doing it seems. I find it hard to judge a lot of players given all that but there's a lot of underperformers.

A quality 2 would be lovely but I'm happy enough with Buchanan/Ward in comparison to other positions.

A proper 5 would be ideal, someone who can really run a line out, a Parling type would probably be the best we can hope for if we've not got much to splash though. Horwill is great when he's fit but needs better alongside, hopefully South/Twomey develop.

A 7.

A 10 I suppose but it won't happen. Rusting Jackson is an awful lot better than he's shown so far but even at his best is fairly flakey.

Visser is a girl.

Roberts is shit.

Yarde I just don't know if he can stay switched on for 80 minutes.

Fuck it. This is too depressing.
Ah, I don't think it's that bad.

I've said for several seasons - which just shows we've failed to fix our glaring issues - that I would love to see Launchbury, Pocock and Ford at Quins.

I know they're not particularly realistic, but that's where we should be aiming. 3 top class operators.
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