Springbok 'Haka'

[rowan]

The Boks' Zulu war dance - should it be re-introduced?

[Lizard]

In before someone posts the "Disco Haka" video in 3...2...1...

[rowan]

Not sure we want to turn the sport into a danceathon (a la another code which shall remain nameless). If the impetus for returning the Zulu dance were coming from within the Zulu community itself, fine, but I get the impression this is a white rugby fan's idea to revive something white players did back in the old days when black players weren't welcome. Just my take on it. Interesting video anyway, providing a concise overview of the first five series between NZ & SA. I didn't realise the Boks haven't won at Eden Park since 37 !!

[cashead]

If they want to do it, who gives a shit? Who are we to dictate what pre-match stuff they want to incorporate?

[rowan]

Not sure we want to turn the sport into a danceathon (a la another code which shall remain nameless). If the impetus for returning the Zulu dance were coming from within the Zulu community itself, fine, but I get the impression this is a white rugby fan's idea to revive something white players did back in the old days when black players weren't welcome. Just my take on it. Interesting video anyway, providing a concise overview of the first five series between NZ & SA. I didn't realise the Boks haven't won at Eden Park since 37 !!

[rowan]

I was also intrigued to learn that All Blacks teams had performed the haka on home territory during the early series' with SA. When I was a kid they did not perform the haka at home, only on tour, right up until the inaugural World Cup in 1987 - if I'm not mistaken.

[cashead]

Not sure we want to turn the sport into a danceathon (a la another code which shall remain nameless). If the impetus for returning the Zulu dance were coming from within the Zulu community itself, fine, but I get the impression this is a white rugby fan's idea to revive something white players did back in the old days when black players weren't welcome. Just my take on it. Interesting video anyway, providing a concise overview of the first five series between NZ & SA. I didn't realise the Boks haven't won at Eden Park since 37 !!

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Your head

[rowan]

You really are one messed up kid!

I think it's the part about this being the Zulu's call that really got under your thin little skin

[cashead]

So, who exactly are you to stipulate the terms of it?

[rowan]

Another forlorn little cry for help from the Hapless one . . .

[cashead]

When it comes to density, osmium ain't got shit on you.

[rowan]

[morepork]

You really are one messed up kid!

I think it's the part about this being the Zulu's call that really got under your thin little skin

I am curious as to the nature of your motivation for this comment. It's quite ambiguous, perhaps intentionally so. Are you insinuating Cashead has a problem with Zulu's or are you promoting the idea that specific established cultural identity references in the rugby community preclude a posters contribution to a dialogue about the relevance of less established identities based on your assumption of this posters frame of cultural reference?

[rowan]

I understand your cognitive deficiencies, notably glaring blindspots on fact and chronology, but Cashead quite clearly took issue with the suggestion the impetus for the use of a Zulu war dance by the Springboks rugby team should be coming from within the Zulu community itself, given the sensitive nature of the sport's history in the republic. As for dialogue, he promptly followed this up with his usual juvenile silliness - as can plainly be seen. Hope that answers your question, and good luck on a speedy recovery.

[cashead]

Yeah, bro, that's exactly what I wrote here:

If they want to do it, who gives a shit? Who are we to dictate what pre-match stuff they want to incorporate?

You thick fuck.

[cashead]

Also, "juvenile silliness" says the one who immediately resorts to name calling. The fact that everyone takes turns dunking on you has nothing to do with you being a smarmy know-it-all cunt, does it? You thin-skinned dolt.

[morepork]

I understand your cognitive deficiencies, notably glaring blindspots on fact and chronology, but Cashead quite clearly took issue with the suggestion the impetus for the use of a Zulu war dance by the Springboks rugby team should be coming from within the Zulu community itself, given the sensitive nature of the sport's history in the republic. As for dialogue, he promptly followed this up with his usual juvenile silliness - as can plainly be seen. Hope that answers your question, and good luck on a speedy recovery.

OK. Cashead hates Zulus. That was not immediately clear to me, perhaps due to my cognitive deficiencies for which you can hopefully promote a diagnosis coupled to a course of treatment that might help me subsist in the shade of your blazing constructive magnificence. Maybe cognitive dissonance is more your thing? I remain, as always, your humble savant.

[cashead]

Look at them, in what is clearly documentary footage, without a single inaccuracy, where they zerg-rush that fort. Bastards, the lot of 'em.

Also, I love colonialism. It's the best.

[rowan]

"If they want to do it, who gives a shit? Who are we to dictate what pre-match stuff they want to incorporate?"

Yes, this sentence clearly implies you regard it as the Springboks' decision to make for themselves. That would indicate you are oblivious to the sensitive nature of the sport's history in the republic. It's not for we to dictate at all. It's difficult to comprehend what kind of weird logic led you to this conclusion. The decision is clearly the Zulu community's to make. Anyone who doesn't understand this, doesn't understand cultural rights.

[cashead]

"If they want to do it, who gives a shit? Who are we to dictate what pre-match stuff they want to incorporate?"

Yes, this sentence clearly implies you regard it as the Springboks' decision to make for themselves. That would indicate you are oblivious to the sensitive nature of the sport's history in the republic. It's not for we to dictate at all. It's difficult to comprehend what kind of weird logic led you to this conclusion. The decision is clearly the Zulu community's to make. Anyone who doesn't understand this, doesn't understand cultural rights.

Yeah, bro, you got me. Or, you know, the Springboks and their administrators can do whatever the fuck and consult with whomever they deem relevant and make the call themselves. I am so very fucking sorry it wasn't specifically worded to meet your very rigid and stringent standards.

Or hey, how about trying this on for size. Stop being a fucking cunt that goes out of his way to either A. provide the worst possible take on shit, B. squawk with indignation at every perceived slight while desperately coming up with the most asinine sub playground level insults ("hapless?" Is that honestly the best you can do? I'd have thought someone who fancies themselves an intellectual colossus would be able to come up with something a little less fucking stupid) C. stop being a smarmy cunt and get the fuck over yourself.

Maybe you're too goddamned stupid and obstinate to the point of idiocy, but there's a reason why no one fucking takes you seriously around here. It's you. It is almost entirely you. Hell, people pop into threads to have a go at you, because you inevitably start jumping up and down, or at least the internet equivalent of, like a trained fucking monkey, when you're not howling into the void perpetually replying to yourself, and occasionally quoting yourself, in a thread about the Tajikistani 3rd division league that no one could give any less of a fuck about. Why the fuck do you think every fucking thread you post in ends up in you getting dunked on while you try to throw around your weaksauce insults? Have you realised what the common denominator is?

Or, you can go on the way you do, and keep getting ignored, or mocked whenever someone bothers to even give you the time of day. Fucking dance monkey, dance.

[rowan]

No, they cannot do whatever they want with Zulu culture. That's a racist notion which only reveals your ignorance of the sport's troubled history in the republic. Very odd indeed that the suggestion this should be for the Zulu community to decide has offended you so much. Truth is, you came looking for an argument, as per usual, got tangled up in your own confused logic, then resorted to the customary silliness.

Your only objective here, from the outset, was quite clearly to attack someone who does not share your twisted redneck values; and these you attempt to defend with all the wit and maturity of a hapless 12-year-old. Trampling over the cultural rights of others is racist arrogance borne of pure stupidity and ignorance, and that's what you are advocating, you hideous little moron.

[cashead]

It's actually quite telling that you're assuming that such a thing would have zero consultation between Zulu community leaders and SARU, and that you're trying to add implications to justify your attempt at performative outrage. It reeks of desperation.

And then we get the tried and true rowan classic. "The Great Amazo, an expert on all things, including what's in your mind."

So, here's my perfectly mature, and considered response to your post: eat a butt, you stupid, dense, presumptive cunt.

[rowan]

What a silly fellow you are, Hapless! No such assumption was made. That's entirely a figment of your warped imagination. There was simply a suggestion that the decision on whether to use a Zulu war dance before Springboks rugby matches should be the Zulu community's to make. In fact, no indication of their standpoint was given in the report, so whether there has been consultation or not remains unclear. So why does the suggestion this decision should be the Zulu community's to make offend you so deeply? What department of your fragile little world does this threaten?

[cashead]

Wow, aren't you just desperate for the last word.

Also, thanks for confirming every criticism levelled at you, dipshit.

[rowan]

Responding to comments on a thread I started is being 'desperate for the last word?' What you really mean, is you'd like to be able to drag threads down with juvenile silliness, wayward assumptions and redneck values without being accountable.