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All Blacks post-2019
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 8:53 pm
by Lizard
As at 31 July 2019 - I'm updating this as more info comes to hand...
Confirmed departures:
Ryan Crotty - Kubota Spears
Elliot Dixon - Japan
Owen Franks - Northampton
Steve Hansen - rumoured for Toyota Verblitz
Jackson Hemopo -Mitsubishi Dynaboars
Nehe Milner-Skudder - Toulon
Waisake Naholo - London Irish
Matt Proctor - Northampton
Kieran Read - Toyota Verblitz
Brodie Retallick - Japan, but only until 2021
Ben Smith - Pau
Liam Squire - NTT Docomo Red Hurricanes
Jordan Taufua - Leicester
Luke Whitelock - Pau
Rumoured to be leaving:
Sonny Bill Williams (to Roosters NRL)
Off-contract but no indication yet:
Shannon Frizell
Kane Hames
Tim Perry
Matt Todd
Re-signed with NZRU beyond RWC2019:
To 2020
Scott Barrett
Vaea Fifita
Jack Goodhue
Nepo Laulala
Anton Lienert-Brown
Patrick Tuipulotu
To 2021
Sam Cane
Dane Coles
Nathan Harris
David Havili
Akira Ioane
Ngani Laumape
Damien MacKenzie
TJ Perenara
Ardie Savea
Aaron Smith
Te Toiroa Tahuriorangi
Codie Taylor
Karl Tu'inukuafe
Ofa Tu'ungafasi
To 2022
Jordie Barrett
George Bridge
Liam Coltman
Reiko Ioane
Joe Moody
Richie Mo'unga
Dalton Papali'i
To 2023
Beauden Barrett (moving to Blues, Japanese sabbatical TBA)
Tyrel Lomax (moving to Hurricanes)
Brodie Retallick, with a Japanese sabbatical for 2020-21
Sam Whitelock, with a sabbatical to Panasonic Wild Knights in 2020 (while remaining eligible for AB selection) and with exit clauses.
Rumoured to be staying:
Luke Romano
IDK
Brett Cameron
Mitch Drummond
Gareth Evans
Dillon Hunt
Angus Ta'avao
Re: All Blacks post-2019
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 9:01 pm
by morepork
Fuck, not Ardie Savea too. When?
Re: All Blacks post-2019
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 9:16 pm
by Lizard
morepork wrote:Fuck, not Ardie Savea too. When?
Hang on - he's changed his mind!
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all ... n-contract
Re: All Blacks post-2019
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 9:27 pm
by Stom
Oh, I do hope Whitelocks "sabbatical" will be with Quins. After all, we have that special deal...
Re: All Blacks post-2019
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 9:30 pm
by Lizard
Stom wrote:Oh, I do hope Whitelocks "sabbatical" will be with Quins. After all, we have that special deal...
He's talking about Japan...
Re: All Blacks post-2019
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 9:37 pm
by Mellsblue
Stom wrote:Oh, I do hope Whitelocks "sabbatical" will be with Quins. After all, we have that special deal...
I’ve heard it’s a done deal.
You do mean Adam, don’t you?
Re: All Blacks post-2019
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 9:56 pm
by Lizard
OK. I think I've covered every 2018 All Black. Any errors, omissions, updates let me know.
Re: All Blacks post-2019
Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 11:54 pm
by Lizard
Re: All Blacks post-2019
Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2018 4:40 am
by morepork
That is good news.
Re: All Blacks post-2019
Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 1:05 am
by Lizard
A few players updated above. Racing apparently wouldn’t give Read a 3 year deal so he’s looking at Japan, as apparently are Crotty, Coles and A. Smith.
Re: All Blacks post-2019
Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 11:57 pm
by Lizard
Matt Procter is off to Northampton. That’s a real blow. With Crotty and SBW probably off he could well have become a long term starting All Black.
Re: All Blacks post-2019
Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 1:31 am
by zer0
I agree it's a blow. And I certainly think he deserved far, far more test opportunities than he got. But he's a centre who, had he stayed, would've been playing in Goodhue's shadow.
Re: All Blacks post-2019
Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 1:40 am
by cashead
We are seeing an ongoing production line of promising midfielders though, with Jack Goodhue and Laumape knocking about. There are also good middle-management midfielders available like my boy Buckman (who really should've been an All Black by now, IMO), Matt Faddes and Tim Bateman. There's also the next generation coming through like Vince Aso, Billy Proctor, Bailyn Sullivan and Tumua Manu who are worth a long-term investment.
It sucks that he's leaving, but at the end of the day, he needs to do what's right for him, and if the British dollar is good enough for him, then we can't begrudge his decision.
Re: All Blacks post-2019
Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 7:43 pm
by morepork
Pound old chap. Pound.
Re: All Blacks post-2019
Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 10:52 pm
by Lizard
British peso, post 29 March.
Re: All Blacks post-2019
Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 11:18 pm
by cashead
Anglo-Saxon/Celtic Yuan
Re: All Blacks post-2019
Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2019 9:28 pm
by morepork
Jeff Toomaga-Allen off to Wasps to join Brad "The Plastic Englishman" Shields. Looking like that Japan cap has been lucrative for fringe players.
Re: All Blacks post-2019
Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:21 pm
by cashead
Perpetually on he fringes, and almost 30, while younger props like Tyrel Lomax and Atu Moli are starting to emerge and earn caps, not to mention the good Alaalatoa brother, who'll probably get capped in the next couple of years. I like Toomaga-Allen, but it's clear that he's starting to get lost in the shuffle and I can't blame him for deciding to get going while the going is still good.
Re: All Blacks post-2019
Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2019 4:46 am
by Lizard
Ngani Laumape is a confirmed Hurricane to 2021.
Re: All Blacks post-2019
Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2019 11:58 pm
by Lizard
Lizard wrote:As of 8 Jan 2019 - I'm updating this as more info comes to hand...
Confirmed departures:
Steve Hansen
Kieran Read - destination unknown, probably Toyota Verblitz
Ben Smith - Pau
Matt Proctor - Northampton
Rumoured to be leaving:
Dane Coles (Japan)
Ryan Crotty (Kubota Spears)
Nehe Milner-Skudder (Toulon)
Aaron Smith (Japan)
Sonny Bill Williams (to Roosters NRL)
Off-contract but no indication yet:
Beauden Barrett
Jordie Barrett
Liam Coltman
Elliot Dixon
Owen Franks
Shannon Frizell
Jack Goodhue
Kane Hames
Nathan Harris
David Havili
Jackson Hemopo
Richie Mo'unga
Waisake Naholo
Tim Perry
Liam Squire (I think)
Te Toiroa Tahuriorangi
Jordan Taufua
Matt Todd
Patrick Tuipulotu
Luke Whitelock
Re-signed with NZRU beyond RWC2019:
To 2020
Scott Barrett
Vaea Fifita
Nepo Laulala
Anton Lienert-Brown
To 2021
Sam Cane
Akira Ioane
Ngani Laumape
Damien MacKenzie
TJ Perenara
Ardie Savea
Codie Taylor
Karl Tu'inukuafe
Ofa Tu'ungafasi
To 2022
George Bridge
Reiko Ioane
Joe Moody
Rumoured to be staying:
Brodie Retallick but with sabbatical clause (Japan)
Luke Romano
Sam Whitelock but with a sabbatical clause (Toulon and/or Japan)
IDK
Brett Cameron
Mitch Drummond
Gareth Evans
Dillon Hunt
Tyrel Lomax
Dalton Papali'i
Angus Ta'avao
Re: All Blacks post-2019
Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2019 11:59 pm
by Lizard
Retallick, formerly linked with Sale, is now rumoured to be having a sabbatical season in Japan.
Re: All Blacks post-2019
Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2019 3:03 am
by cashead
I'm a big fan of sabbatical seasons, since it's meant that our players get an opportunity to get a proper break, it reduces the team's reliance on specific individuals by challenging the depth available and IMO, Japan is the ideal destination because it means they still get a decent standard of rugby (roughly equivalent to the NPC here) in a short amount of time.
Re: All Blacks post-2019
Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2019 7:51 am
by switchskier
cashead wrote:I'm a big fan of sabbatical seasons, since it's meant that our players get an opportunity to get a proper break, it reduces the team's reliance on specific individuals by challenging the depth available and IMO, Japan is the ideal destination because it means they still get a decent standard of rugby (roughly equivalent to the NPC here) in a short amount of time.
I read somewhere that in this case it will mean that Retallick will go straight into the Japanese season then back into another NZ one, without a break. Good financially but means that over 2 years he will effectively play three seasons.
Re: All Blacks post-2019
Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2019 8:00 am
by zer0
True, he would basically be packing three seasons into two. Though, as Cashead says, Japan is shorter and much less physically demanding than NZ or Europe. Other franchise stalwarts/fringe All Blacks have managed it before. Guys like Andy Ellis and Matt Todd (I think), for example. Being a front line player Retallick is obviously different, and I imagine his workload in NZ would be managed to accommodate the playing sabbatical.
Re: All Blacks post-2019
Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2019 1:48 pm
by morepork
He said Japan is shorter....
Ma'a Nonu is in action for the Bloos latest pre-season false dawn I see. Is SBW playing at the moment? What use a Nonu and a SBW in the same team?