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Israel Folau, of "Gay people are going to hell" fame and recent former owner of a professional rugby contract, is now looking to sue Rugby Australia, claiming that he was fired because of his religion, rather than because he was being a dick publically and using his platform as a rugby player to spread hate.

And despite having a multi-million dollar property portfolio, he's launched a public funding campaign to pay for his legal costs. Cause Jesus was very much about raising large sums of money to figt for the freedom to publically hate people. It's mostly what he was known for.

This is the alternate funding campaign, donating to Stonewall, to show that most people in rugby don't stand with Folau's heinous views. If you can't donate, then please do share on your social medias - I would love this to outfund the legal defence one and we all know Stonewall will have good things they can do with the money.

https://www.gofundme.com/f/NoToFolau

Puja

FML. It seems God does move in mysterious ways. Im on the wagon at the moment due to a succession of heavy weekends and the unrelated shrinking of my trousers’ waistbands in the tumble dryer. This weekends beer money will therefore be split between Stonewall and Alex Noble - https://www.gofundme.com/Alex-Noble-IfightUfight

I'd like to add again he didn't simply say gay people are going to hell, he noted lots of groups as going to hell, and there shouldn't merely be a focus on the gays as that would be discriminatory against those other groups Folau condemned

Digby wrote:I'd like to add again he didn't simply say gay people are going to hell, he noted lots of groups as going to hell, and there shouldn't merely be a focus on the gays as that would be discriminatory against those other groups Folau condemned

Sorry Diggers. We are also fighting for your right to be a drunkard.

On a serious note, most of those groups are something that you do, whereas being gay is something that you are, so there is a significant difference.

Puja

Puja wrote:

Digby wrote:I'd like to add again he didn't simply say gay people are going to hell, he noted lots of groups as going to hell, and there shouldn't merely be a focus on the gays as that would be discriminatory against those other groups Folau condemned

Sorry Diggers. We are also fighting for your right to be a drunkard.

On a serious note, most of those groups are something that you do, whereas being gay is something that you are, so there is a significant difference.

Puja

Bollocks

Being an atheist isn't a choice, it's something I am. Likewise those theists who think differently to Folua would likely contend their belief systems are not a choice even as Folua condemns them to hell. And I don't know you'd find much support in modern treatment of addictions for suggesting drunkards have a choice, it's just something you are, although in my case I don't have much choice as the missus doesn't let me drink as much or as often as I'd like to

Digby wrote:

Puja wrote:

Digby wrote:I'd like to add again he didn't simply say gay people are going to hell, he noted lots of groups as going to hell, and there shouldn't merely be a focus on the gays as that would be discriminatory against those other groups Folau condemned

Sorry Diggers. We are also fighting for your right to be a drunkard.

On a serious note, most of those groups are something that you do, whereas being gay is something that you are, so there is a significant difference.

Puja

Bollocks

Being an atheist isn't a choice, it's something I am. Likewise those theists who think differently to Folua would likely contend their belief systems are not a choice even as Folua condemns them to hell. And I don't know you'd find much support in modern treatment of addictions for suggesting drunkards have a choice, it's just something you are, although in my case I don't have much choice as the missus doesn't let me drink as much or as often as I'd like to

I will apologise - I had forgotten Atheists were on Folau's list of the damned. Comment withdrawn.

Puja

Puja wrote:

Digby wrote:

Puja wrote:
Sorry Diggers. We are also fighting for your right to be a drunkard.

On a serious note, most of those groups are something that you do, whereas being gay is something that you are, so there is a significant difference.

Puja

Bollocks

Being an atheist isn't a choice, it's something I am. Likewise those theists who think differently to Folua would likely contend their belief systems are not a choice even as Folua condemns them to hell. And I don't know you'd find much support in modern treatment of addictions for suggesting drunkards have a choice, it's just something you are, although in my case I don't have much choice as the missus doesn't let me drink as much or as often as I'd like to

I will apologise - I had forgotten Atheists were on Folau's list of the damned. Comment withdrawn.

Puja

How is being an atheist or agnostic anything bug a choice? There's a big difference there. Discovering religion or a lack of it is not the same as being gay or suddenly deciding you're not gay...

And alcoholism and other addictions are also choices, albeit easier choices to make for many people...

Stom wrote:

Puja wrote:

Digby wrote:
Bollocks

Being an atheist isn't a choice, it's something I am. Likewise those theists who think differently to Folua would likely contend their belief systems are not a choice even as Folua condemns them to hell. And I don't know you'd find much support in modern treatment of addictions for suggesting drunkards have a choice, it's just something you are, although in my case I don't have much choice as the missus doesn't let me drink as much or as often as I'd like to

I will apologise - I had forgotten Atheists were on Folau's list of the damned. Comment withdrawn.

Puja

How is being an atheist or agnostic anything bug a choice? There's a big difference there. Discovering religion or a lack of it is not the same as being gay or suddenly deciding you're not gay...

And alcoholism and other addictions are also choices, albeit easier choices to make for many people...

Addiction isn't a choice, trying something for the first time sure, but not the addiction part.

And how is a belief structure a choice? As an atheist what alternative do I have given I have no sense of faith in any sky wizards? It's not that I have a sense of the existence of god and then refuse to worship him/her, although that does seem a more rational position to me if one had faith in what by any measure would be a total arsehole

I often say that if I believed in a god then I'd be an antitheist...
I say "often"... I said it a lot more in my late teens / early 20s when I actually got involved in such discussions rather than roling my eyes and walking away (AKA back when I was an opinionated arsehole with no filter on my output).

Digby wrote:

Stom wrote:

Puja wrote:
I will apologise - I had forgotten Atheists were on Folau's list of the damned. Comment withdrawn.

Puja

How is being an atheist or agnostic anything bug a choice? There's a big difference there. Discovering religion or a lack of it is not the same as being gay or suddenly deciding you're not gay...

And alcoholism and other addictions are also choices, albeit easier choices to make for many people...

Addiction isn't a choice, trying something for the first time sure, but not the addiction part.

And how is a belief structure a choice? As an atheist what alternative do I have given I have no sense of faith in any sky wizards? It's not that I have a sense of the existence of god and then refuse to worship him/her, although that does seem a more rational position to me if one had faith in what by any measure would be a total arsehole

I’ve been around a lot of tragedy recently. So much so that I’ve wished I was religious, that there was a god with a plan, that people would get to see their loved ones in the afterlife, to have the comfort that I assume faith must bring ......but I still think it’s a steaming heap of fiction. Being atheist or religious, or anywhere in between, ain’t a choice.
As for liking a drink, didn’t Jesus once magic up a s**t load of wine so people could get drunk. Now, if he came back and did that in my local once a month then, well, praise the lord, I’m converted.

There's a Jewish holiday where you're obliged to get so drunk that you wouldn't be able to recognise yourself in a mirror.

I didn’t realise Jews have end of season dinners.

Raggs wrote:There's a Jewish holiday where you're obliged to get so drunk that you wouldn't be able to recognise yourself in a mirror.

And suddenly a religion found itself in Diggers's heart.

Puja

I've reported the folau campaign for being in breach of their terms and conditions with regards to discrimination. I know others have to. Might achieve something.

“Addiction is a choice”

Can we do a whip round for some neurophysiology text books. Anything from the last 100 years will do. Someone is in desperate need.


Folau is turning into a Telly Evangelest. What a fuckwit.

I think the difference is that people from the gay community have been attacked due to hatred whipped up by morons like this...not quite sure the last time an atheist was beaten up for their non belief...or an addict for his addiction.

Tigger wrote:I think the difference is that people from the gay community have been attacked due to hatred whipped up by morons like this...not quite sure the last time an atheist was beaten up for their non belief...or an addict for his addiction.

Happens fairly regularly in some countries. Bangladesh had a spate of murders I believe of atheist bloggers etc. Happens elsewhere too.

Raggs wrote:I've reported the folau campaign for being in breach of their terms and conditions with regards to discrimination. I know others have to. Might achieve something.

Looks like you did the trick there.

http://bit.ly/2Y642tH

Now i know i was far from alone, but that feels good.

Raggs wrote:Now i know i was far from alone, but that feels good.

Yeah, I was with you in complaining and also feeling a little touch of pride. Boiled my piss the way the slimy prick worded his profile to imply that he was sacked solely for posting Bible verses on social media while eliding the bit about the bigotry.

Puja

This is how Darth Vader came to be. Or maybe Sauron.

If atheism is not a choice then neither is theism and criticism of Folau is misplaced. Of course it's a bloody choice what you believe.

Televangelist is bang on. The fund didn't even require him to spend the money on legal fees. He was just gouging people to feed his own avarice.

Eugene Wrayburn wrote:If atheism is not a choice then neither is theism and criticism of Folau is misplaced. Of course it's a bloody choice what you believe.

Televangelist is bang on. The fund didn't even require him to spend the money on legal fees. He was just gouging people to feed his own avarice.

Step on over the pond brother. There is meth fueled contribution beyond belief that is as lucrative as any oil well in your back yard and twice as toxic.


As long as you aren't queer.



Amen.

Eugene Wrayburn wrote:If atheism is not a choice then neither is theism and criticism of Folau is misplaced. Of course it's a bloody choice what you believe.

Televangelist is bang on. The fund didn't even require him to spend the money on legal fees. He was just gouging people to feed his own avarice.

'tis possible I was the first on this thread to contend atheism isn't choice, but I also noted Folau was condemning other groups of theists to hell also if they didn't share his vision of the one true path, and that those theists who have a different take on Christianity or simply a different religion likely don't view their belief as a choice either.

Beyond that I'm sticking with a belief system is not a choice. You can choose the building blocks of your belief system in how you spend your time experiencing life, and that will have a significant bearing on the belief that fills our lack of understanding, but I don't know that's quite the same as choosing a belief. Though I suppose if pushed on the subject specifically of atheism I've no interest in defending a position of atheism over agnosticism