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Cue firestorm

Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2016 5:54 pm
by Banquo
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/35827133

Marler gets off with the 'strike'. No word on the taunt.

Lucky boy imo...so far.

Re: Cue firestorm

Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2016 5:56 pm
by Oakboy
That's alright then. The verbals are now just banter according to the Welsh Head coach.

Re: Cue firestorm

Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2016 5:57 pm
by Banquo
Oakboy wrote:That's alright then. The verbals are now just banter according to the Welsh Head coach.
He's had to retract that!

Re: Cue firestorm

Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2016 6:00 pm
by Peat
Guardian says they'll decide on the other bit tomorrow.

I'm not sure lucky adequately covers this one. Everything I'd ever seen of rugby before led me to believe this was a stone cold ban.

Re: Cue firestorm

Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2016 6:42 pm
by fivepointer
That is quite a surprise....or maybe not based on some of the odd descisions that we've had before.

Re: Cue firestorm

Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2016 7:09 pm
by WaspInWales
The process is becoming continuing to be a joke.

Re: Cue firestorm

Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2016 8:03 pm
by Eugene Wrayburn
Yet another poor decision.

Re: Cue firestorm

Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2016 8:27 pm
by Puja
It's not necessarily a surprise. While technically speaking, a punch in the face should be a two week ban, in order to get a ban at all, it's got to be deemed a retrospective red card and I think we all would have been a bit aggrieved if he'd been given a red for that mid-game.

I still think he'll get done for his poorly-chosen words tomorrow, so we'll probably be without him anyway.

Puja

Re: Cue firestorm

Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2016 8:48 pm
by padprop
Can we stop being one-eyed for a second. Its clear the first point of contact is with the chest and his arm rises in a brushing motion to remove him from the camera views.

If your argument is that an elbow push to the chest is a red card offence than fair enough, but you would simply be wrong.

Re: Cue firestorm

Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2016 8:56 pm
by Puja
padprop wrote:Can we stop being one-eyed for a second. Its clear the first point of contact is with the chest and his arm rises in a brushing motion to remove him from the camera views.

If your argument is that an elbow push to the chest is a red card offence than fair enough, but you would simply be wrong.
That's a... generous assessment of the situation. I would say he's clearly struck him in the face with his forearm. I agree with you that it's not a red, but I can't see how you can describe this as a brushing motion to remove him from the camera views:



Puja

Re: Cue firestorm

Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2016 9:06 pm
by Eugene Wrayburn
Puja wrote:
padprop wrote:Can we stop being one-eyed for a second. Its clear the first point of contact is with the chest and his arm rises in a brushing motion to remove him from the camera views.

If your argument is that an elbow push to the chest is a red card offence than fair enough, but you would simply be wrong.
That's a... generous assessment of the situation. I would say he's clearly struck him in the face with his forearm. I agree with you that it's not a red, but I can't see how you can describe this as a brushing motion to remove him from the camera views:



Puja
Since when has a forearm blow to the face not been a red card?

Re: Cue firestorm

Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2016 9:09 pm
by Puja
Eugene Wrayburn wrote:Since when has a forearm blow to the face not been a red card?
When it's a nasty little jab, rather than a full-blooded strike. I'd've been annoyed if that'd got more than a yellow mid-game.

It's banter, nothing more. :P

Puja

Re: Cue firestorm

Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2016 9:12 pm
by WaspInWales
Puja wrote:It's not necessarily a surprise. While technically speaking, a punch in the face should be a two week ban, in order to get a ban at all, it's got to be deemed a retrospective red card and I think we all would have been a bit aggrieved if he'd been given a red for that mid-game.

I still think he'll get done for his poorly-chosen words tomorrow, so we'll probably be without him anyway.

Puja
Just had a notification on my phone telling me he will not be punished for that either.

I hope one of the French players calls him a 'lucky boy'! See how he likes it.

Re: Cue firestorm

Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2016 9:17 pm
by Puja
WaspInWales wrote:
Puja wrote:It's not necessarily a surprise. While technically speaking, a punch in the face should be a two week ban, in order to get a ban at all, it's got to be deemed a retrospective red card and I think we all would have been a bit aggrieved if he'd been given a red for that mid-game.

I still think he'll get done for his poorly-chosen words tomorrow, so we'll probably be without him anyway.

Puja
Just had a notification on my phone telling me he will not be punished for that either.

I hope one of the French players calls him a 'lucky boy'! See how he likes it.
Wow. Jammy sod.

Puja

Re: Cue firestorm

Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2016 9:20 pm
by WaspInWales

Re: Cue firestorm

Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2016 9:21 pm
by WaspInWales
Shay won't be happy.

Re: Cue firestorm

Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2016 9:35 pm
by Harvey Quin
That "forearm" was nothing.

I'm obviously a big fan of Marler what with him being a Quin and a Prop, but I do think he should have copped a short ban for the verbals, a couple of weeks maybe.

Re: Cue firestorm

Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2016 9:41 pm
by Peat
I've seen a lot of nothing strikes to the face get a red. That was a ban and I'm angry it wasn't this time, the inconsistency in officiating this game needs to go.

No action on the racism is incomprehensible and embarassing.

Re: Cue firestorm

Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2016 10:17 pm
by Mellsblue
Blimey, he's a very lucky boy.

Re: Cue firestorm

Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2016 10:21 pm
by Epaminondas Pules
As much as its stupid and pointless it isn't obviously a forearm to the face. There's a forearm, but it is not obviously to the face by any stretch.

On the remarks it's a tough one. How much would he get if he'd called him a pikey? Would that be worse? Justin Harrison got three weeks for calling a black South African a "stinking black c**t". Is this comparable? Dunno to be honest. Can see it both ways.

Overall I'm suprised there wasn't some comeback, but can see rationale for why there would be no ban either.

Re: Cue firestorm

Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2016 10:32 pm
by p/d
Mellsblue wrote:Blimey, he's a very lucky boy.
On the elbow, yes. Looked like intent.

Glad common sense on the 'banta' prevailed, both from players/coaches and 'panel'. Just a shame it dragged on so long.

Re: Cue firestorm

Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2016 11:00 pm
by Digby
Blessed by a gypsy at birth perhaps, not to be confused with a gypsy blessing.

Re: Cue firestorm

Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2016 11:45 pm
by Eugene Wrayburn
I've been pretty sanguine about the omnishambles that is rugby discipline recently. However it's just occurred to me that rugby now condones behaviour that even football would blanche at. Now I'm depressed.

Re: Cue firestorm

Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2016 7:51 am
by twitchy
This isn't a good look for the sport. Now this is all every one will be talking about this week not the rugby. Wouldn't it have made sense just to take him out of the public eye for this last 6N match at least?

Re: Cue firestorm

Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2016 7:57 am
by bitts
Kind of mixed feelings about this. On one hand I'm clearly biased and want him to play, and I doubt he genuinely meant it in a racist way.

On the other hand it's this type of casual racism that is the most damaging.