Saxons in SA confirmed

fivepointer · Post by **fivepointer** » Tue Apr 05, 2016 12:30 pm

http://www.englandrugby.com/news/englan ... rica-june/

2 tests, 10 and 17 June.

Peej · Post by **Peej** » Tue Apr 05, 2016 12:44 pm

Good stuff.

Will be fun now to guess who will be a starter in the Saxons, or a fringe player in the senior squad!

Which Tyler · Post by **Which Tyler** » Tue Apr 05, 2016 1:13 pm

Good news.
Now if only they could have sent them touring Russia/Georgia/Romania; or the PIs or some such.
Oh, I'd also sent them without Callard - Perfect time to bring in the likes of Baxter/Hatley/Mallinder etc

Greebo · Post by **Greebo** » Tue Apr 05, 2016 1:16 pm

Good news. It will give Eddie's team the chance to look at at some other players.

Mikey Brown · Post by **Mikey Brown** » Tue Apr 05, 2016 1:22 pm

Greebo wrote:Good news. It will give Eddie's team the chance to look at at some other players.

Doesn't it kind of inhibit Eddie's ability to pick some more fringe players? Or do you simply mean he'll get to see them play for the Saxons?

Mush · Post by **Mush** » Tue Apr 05, 2016 1:24 pm

Which Tyler wrote:Good news.
Now if only they could have sent them touring Russia/Georgia/Romania; or the PIs or some such.

Or at least play one or two of those teams as well, say on the way out and on the way home

Nightynight · Post by **Nightynight** » Tue Apr 05, 2016 1:43 pm

Depends if the Saxons are a pure development side or an England 'A' (B) team, there is a difference from trying out totally new options or just running a bunch of players out who didn't make the cut to EPS level, i.e. playing a guy you already know isn't world class above a new talent who could be just because he just happens to be second choice at the moment.

Greebo · Post by **Greebo** » Tue Apr 05, 2016 2:43 pm

Mikey Brown wrote:
Greebo wrote:Good news. It will give Eddie's team the chance to look at at some other players.
Doesn't it kind of inhibit Eddie's ability to pick some more fringe players? Or do you simply mean he'll get to see them play for the Saxons?

I'm hoping they will get some game time as I don't see him changing too much for the Oz tour.

Mellsblue · Post by **Mellsblue** » Tue Apr 05, 2016 2:51 pm

Which Tyler wrote:Good news.
Now if only they could have sent them touring Russia/Georgia/Romania; or the PIs or some such.
Oh, I'd also sent them without Callard - Perfect time to bring in the likes of Baxter/Hatley/Mallinder etc

TheNomad · Post by **TheNomad** » Tue Apr 05, 2016 3:58 pm

If you had to pick a team of players outside of the EPS, and with a bias towards youth, what might it look like? Difficult to say how it will interact but these are some players (am sure there loads more, but off the top of my head) who are either EPS fringe (some actually in, but not playing) who I'd like to see get some sort of exposure

Auterac/Waller
Taylor/Haywood
Thomas/Hill (admittedly in EPS but might benefit from getting game time)
Slater/Gaskell
Kitchener/Symons
Ewers/Gibson/Williams
Underhill/Fraser/Harrison
Beaumont

Robson (could be in EPS)
Burns/Lozowski
Yarde/Short/Walker
Devoto/Hill/Sloan/Williams/Mallinder
James/Marchant (early, but I like the look of him)
Wade/Roko/Addison
Haley/Hammersly

Banquo · Post by **Banquo** » Tue Apr 05, 2016 4:03 pm

TheNomad wrote:If you had to pick a team of players outside of the EPS, and with a bias towards youth, what might it look like? Difficult to say how it will interact but these are some players (am sure there loads more, but off the top of my head) who are either EPS fringe (some actually in, but not playing) who I'd like to see get some sort of exposure

Auterac/Waller
Taylor/Haywood
Thomas/Hill (admittedly in EPS but might benefit from getting game time)
Slater/Gaskell
Kitchener/Symons
Ewers/Gibson/Williams
Underhill/Fraser/Harrison
Beaumont

Robson (could be in EPS)
Burns/Lozowski
Yarde/Short/Walker
Devoto/Hill/Sloan/Williams/Mallinder
James/Marchant (early, but I like the look of him)
Wade/Roko/Addison
Haley/Hammersly

imo Underhill needs tying in quickly!

Peej · Post by **Peej** » Tue Apr 05, 2016 4:33 pm

TheNomad wrote:If you had to pick a team of players outside of the EPS, and with a bias towards youth, what might it look like? Difficult to say how it will interact but these are some players (am sure there loads more, but off the top of my head) who are either EPS fringe (some actually in, but not playing) who I'd like to see get some sort of exposure

Auterac/Waller
Taylor/Haywood
Thomas/Hill (admittedly in EPS but might benefit from getting game time)
Slater/Gaskell
Kitchener/Symons
Ewers/Gibson/Williams
Underhill/Fraser/Harrison
Beaumont

Robson (could be in EPS)
Burns/Lozowski
Yarde/Short/Walker
Devoto/Hill/Sloan/Williams/Mallinder
James/Marchant (early, but I like the look of him)
Wade/Roko/Addison
Haley/Hammersly

Think you might need some slightly older heads in there. I'd also throw Myall, Miller and McIntyre in the mix (but I am biased towards Wasps)

Mellsblue · Post by **Mellsblue** » Tue Apr 05, 2016 4:38 pm

Peej wrote:
TheNomad wrote:If you had to pick a team of players outside of the EPS, and with a bias towards youth, what might it look like? Difficult to say how it will interact but these are some players (am sure there loads more, but off the top of my head) who are either EPS fringe (some actually in, but not playing) who I'd like to see get some sort of exposure

Auterac/Waller
Taylor/Haywood
Thomas/Hill (admittedly in EPS but might benefit from getting game time)
Slater/Gaskell
Kitchener/Symons
Ewers/Gibson/Williams
Underhill/Fraser/Harrison
Beaumont

Robson (could be in EPS)
Burns/Lozowski
Yarde/Short/Walker
Devoto/Hill/Sloan/Williams/Mallinder
James/Marchant (early, but I like the look of him)
Wade/Roko/Addison
Haley/Hammersly
Think you might need some slightly older heads in there. I'd also throw Myall, Miller and McIntyre in the mix (but I am biased towards Wasps)

Miller will be playing in Oz......

Tigersman · Post by **Tigersman** » Tue Apr 05, 2016 4:49 pm

I would go for
1) Waller, Auterac
2) Taylor, Haywood
3) Thomas, Balmain (?)
4) Barrow, Symons (Slater over Lawes for me)
5) Kitchener, Gaskell
6) Underhill, Gibson (would have Williams instead of Gibson but injured).
7) Kvesic, Harrison (Ewers in original EPS over Kvesic)
8) Morgan, (Beaumont injury a worry, would have Gaskell covering 8)
9) Simpson/Robson, Cook, Spencer (reckon Simpson or Robson in EPS)
10) Cips, Burns (Can't see Cips being included in EPS)
11) Wade, Yarde,
12) Devoto/Hill, Sloan
13) James, Thompkins
14) Roko, Lewington
15) Pennell, Haley

Would have all U20 bar Underhill available for the Home RWC. So Williams, Marchant, Mallinder etc etc

Tigersman · Post by **Tigersman** » Tue Apr 05, 2016 4:49 pm

Mellsblue wrote:
Miller will be playing in Oz......

R U being Serious M8

Banquo · Post by **Banquo** » Tue Apr 05, 2016 5:16 pm

Tigersman wrote:
Mellsblue wrote:
Miller will be playing in Oz......
R U being Serious M8

Could ask the same about Gaskell as 5 and 8 cover, frankly.

Mellsblue · Post by **Mellsblue** » Tue Apr 05, 2016 5:17 pm

Tigersman wrote:
Mellsblue wrote:
Miller will be playing in Oz......
R U being Serious M8

Like, totes. Well, not totally.

I suggested him as a dark horse for EPS fullback if Jones wanted to move on from Brown and Goode and saw Watson solely as wing. The motm performance this weekend has sealed the EPS deal. Possibly.

Banquo · Post by **Banquo** » Tue Apr 05, 2016 5:24 pm

Mellsblue wrote:
Tigersman wrote:
Mellsblue wrote:
Miller will be playing in Oz......
R U being Serious M8
Like, totes. Well, not totally.

I suggested him as a dark horse for EPS fullback if Jones wanted to move on from Brown and Goode and saw Watson solely as wing. The motm performance this weekend has sealed the EPS deal. Possibly.

OMG srsly?

Tigersman · Post by **Tigersman** » Tue Apr 05, 2016 8:30 pm

Banquo wrote:
Tigersman wrote:
Mellsblue wrote:
Miller will be playing in Oz......
R U being Serious M8
Could ask the same about Gaskell as 5 and 8 cover, frankly.

How dare you talk to me like that M8.

Post by **Puja** » Tue Apr 05, 2016 10:00 pm

This is great news. Rumour has it that Ali Hepher will be along as backs coach as a potential audition for England, so hopefully he'll mitigate some of Callard's influence.

The development has not been universally welcomed, however, with Richard Cockerill, the Leicester director of rugby, questioning the lack of detail. “Is it a Saxons tour or Under-23 tour? Nobody seems to know,” Cockerill said. “Joe Lydon was running it but he has resigned so that is the problem. There will be the England tour and there will be a Saxons or development tour so we will have seven for preseason but we will just get on with it.”

Misery-guts.

Puja

Banquo · Post by **Banquo** » Tue Apr 05, 2016 10:05 pm

Tigersman wrote:
Banquo wrote:
Tigersman wrote:
R U being Serious M8
Could ask the same about Gaskell as 5 and 8 cover, frankly.
How dare you talk to me like that M8.

que? That's relatively polite

Tigersman · Post by **Tigersman** » Wed Apr 06, 2016 9:05 am

U wot m8.

It's such a shame that this Saxons squad could have so much potential and talent only to be have Callard put in charge.

Peej · Post by **Peej** » Wed Apr 06, 2016 9:40 am

To pick up on Cockers' point - has there been any further word if it is an Under 23 tour, or open to everyone?

Post by **Puja** » Wed Apr 06, 2016 2:09 pm

Peej wrote:To pick up on Cockers' point - has there been any further word if it is an Under 23 tour, or open to everyone?

Wouldn't have thought they'd set specific rules on it, but I don't think you'll see too many over 24s. I get the feeling that this is a tour to run the rule over young talent, rather than picking an experienced second string. Plus, an opportunistic grab for Underhill and Williams before the Welsh go a-poaching.

Puja

Epaminondas Pules · Post by **Epaminondas Pules** » Wed Apr 06, 2016 10:32 pm

Hepher has signed up.

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